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What the Pentagon should have looked like on 9-11




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Two engines 24 feet apart make one hole?

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=101

I guess that it's possible, but the odds of that occurring seem miniscule.

These are the pics I find hard to argue with.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi....

These were taken prior to the floors caving in. They are especially telling because the fire extinguishing foam coats the facade of the building and sure seems to show that if something did hit the building, it probably wasn't something with wings. And certainly not the size of an airliner. In my opinion at least.

Looks like an explosion,

yes?

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If the engines hit the Pentagon

it seems there should have been wrecking ball style damage done to the building in those spots. The apparent lack of that is what got my attention when the incident happened.

my sentiments

Move along. Nothing to see

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Rolls Royce engines

on that plane weighed 6 tons each...steel and titanium...and they just evaporated? Yet, the official report identified the passengers by DNA and fingerprints. What type of fire was that? LOL

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Now hold on, buddy....

It was a *magical* fire! Lot's of magic that day. Like the disappearing plane in Shanksville / Bermuda effing Triangle, PA.

D'OH!

What would the Founders do?

Building 7 did I nice disappearing trick

maybe it just committed suicide?

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

LOL! Structural seppuku!

Building fell on the sword... at nearly free fall / resistance-free speed!

(Awful to joke, but without humor we'd all go insane in the face of such gross tragedy and injustice....)

What would the Founders do?

Laughter is the best medicine

no matter what the sickness we're faced with :)

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The crucial question is...

what about the passengers? What have the families of the supposed "passengers" said? Have they confirmed that their loved ones remains were recovered at the site? Have they buried them? Have they even been interviewed at all? Did the people on the "passenger list" even exist at all?
It appears that no plane hit the Pentagon, and there's been lots of discussion about that. Obviously, the event was not as it was reported.

However, if there's been discussion about the fate of the "passengers", I've rarely or never seen it. Just some mentions of Barbara Olson, and how she supposedly called her husband from her cellphone. What happened to everyone else?

The passengers, I posted this

The passengers, I posted this below but you must've missed it so here:
The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families.
from https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77ev...

http://web.archive.org/web/20060907034559/http://ndms.chepin...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070704182456/http://gilroydispa...
http://onlineathens.com/stories/091104/new_20040911030.shtml

I like how people compare a

I like how people compare a plane crash, where the pilot would obviously be trying to minimize damage and make a crash landing, and a kamikaze attack where the pilot is speeding up and trying to maximize damage. Let's act like it's the same thing and the result would be the same, get real.

By your logic

If the plane would have sped up, it would have went THROUGH the West Wing, possibly landing in the court yard or continuing on to hit another wing.

Does that sound about right or did my one sentence logic not suffice?

You have to look at all of the evidence, Mr. Bengal. Grab some Starbucks, though, because it's going to be a long month of class.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

The hubris from some people

The hubris from some people on here like yourself is hilarious.
What is the best evidence that something else hit the Pentagon? Really what is the best stuff you have? Somebody's opinion of what a crash should look like or what path a plane can or can't take? So let's weigh that against:
Over a hundred witnesses that saw a plane hit the Pentagon, none that say it was a missile and 26 that specifically said it was an American Airlines plane.
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77ev...
Many plane parts from an AA plane that I have already posted links to.
Dna and items from passengers on AA flight 77 found in the wreckage
http://web.archive.org/web/20060907034559/http://ndms.chepin...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070704182456/http://gilroydispa...
http://onlineathens.com/stories/091104/new_20040911030.shtml

I mean are you saying that all the police, fireman, the whole clean up crew, all the investigators, they were ALL in on it. Even those witnesses that worked at the Pentagon and almost died and had some of their friends die, they are in on it too. The evidence isn't there, it doesn't make sense, and there are numerous places where that theory falls apart.

"I mean are you saying that all the police, fireman

I mean are you saying that all the police, fireman, the whole clean up crew, all the investigators, they were ALL in on it. Even those witnesses that worked at the Pentagon and almost died and had some of their friends die, they are in on it too[...]"

Lol, I didn't say that. You did. If you want to convince people they are wrong, don't start off by insulting them.

And have you seen anything from Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth? Be honest about that, please, because it fills in so many holes which you have listed.

If you have 6 hours to talk about this, let me know and we can continue.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

"By your logic" "You have to

"By your logic"
"You have to look at all of the evidence, Mr. Bengal. Grab some Starbucks, though, because it's going to be a long month of class."

I think your condescending comment here is more than enough reason to be condescending in return.

"Lol, I didn't say that. You did."

If you are saying that all their testimonies about seeing the plane hit the Pentagon, seeing or finding the plane parts, or finding and identifying bodies from AA flt 77 are all lies, then that HAS to be the position you hold. To my knowledge April Gallop is the ONLY person present at the scene who even questions that it was the AA plane at all. If you have evidence otherwise let's see it, I asked for your best evidence that it was not AA flt 77. I don't have 6 consecutive hours no, but if you comment with anything of value (meaning not something I've already addressed or an insult) I will answer to it when I can.

Quick!

The ever popular, "I know you make factual objections, let me steer you to a website which may answer them" defense.

Why can't you answer the points yourself? Here? With your own words?

Eric Hoffer

Eh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_fZZ74MQU

What in the world makes you think it would have continued going through the building? Matter at that speed and energy swiftly begins to resemble liquid when it impacts. Why is disintegration with lots of debris and wreckage not an acceptable outcome in your mind?

Eric Hoffer

But it did go through the

But it did go through the building, all three rings. How do you 'splain that Mr. Denier

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--Voltaire

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Uh...

What have I said that would imply that debris couldn't go through the building? The point that debris from an aircraft was found inside the building, including landing gear, is kind of central to my point that an aircraft obviously hit the Pentagon.

Eric Hoffer

So the plane and the barrier

were exactly the same weight/mass as the plane that hit the Pentagon? How is this the same? The Pentagon didn't have an "impenetrable" barrier on any Wing, nor was the plane that hit the Pentagon going in a straight line, as in this video.

And how is any barrier on Planet Earth "impenetrable"? Please elaborate on that.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Quote marks

I noticed the quote marks, but I'm not sure where you're quoting me or what statement you're quoting.

Usually when you say, "So..." and paraphrase, you're going for clarity and for a summing up of what the other party is saying. After reading my statement, I'm kind of at a loss as to how you'd come to this conclusion. Mind elaborating?

Eric Hoffer

uhh

You realize there are tons of photos of pieces of the plane, right? The photo you're using was obviously taken well after the fact, with the other photograph taken soon after the event.

Seriously? You consider this a rational argument for your point?

Eric Hoffer

For the

For the people that have down voted me here, lets keep this isolated.

Please prove to me that EVERY photo that has been provided in this thread, along with eyewitness account of the wreckage, is a fabrication, misunderstanding, or lie.

We're not talking about the damage yet, lets JUST talk about plane wreckage. I don't want to hear about the "well it would have..." or any of that garbage, because your arguments are usually off track garbage with little to no understanding of physics.

Just tell me why the obvious plane parts and wreckage are not from a plane, including seats, landing gear, tail fin, etc. I'll stick with this: https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77ev... page as it seems to have the best info. mrbengal posts a number of great links here. All you need to do is give us a nice summary of why you think the wreckage there qualifies as "not being wreckage" because I'm seeing that point over and over again, and the evidence obviously shows otherwise.

Eric Hoffer

and YOU think you're intellectually superior to Kent Hovind?

....I hope you have every last intention of bringing us evidence of a 757 wreckage at the Pentagon...

We'll take photographic and video evidence from ANY time.period you choose....

The wing span of said American Airlines flight 77 was 124' FEET .... The photo here, no matter how much later after the.cleanup, shows ZERO evidence of commercial aircraft wings even touching that building....

I don't know what you're trying to argue, or with whom; but you may want to check your attitude against some age-old proverbs about pride and arrogance...