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Are You Proud To Be An American?

Thank God I'm an American blessed to live in this great country with a Constitution designed to protect my God given Rights. People often complain about their country here but I stand by the best country in the world, my country, America.

Some outsiders have tried to label Libertarians as people who hate their country but that couldn't be farther from the truth in my case. I love this country; Who else loves their country?

Are you proud to be an American?

EDIT: I found good insight in this quote,

"The patriot says, 'I love my country,' works for its good, and defends it if necessary – against enemies within and without. He strives and prays not primarily that God will bless his country, but that his country will bless God. The nationalist, meanwhile, says, 'My country is better than yours.' 'My country is the greatest there has ever been.' 'The greatest nation on God’s green earth.' 'They hate my country because it is so good.' -- Historian John J. Dwyer"

http://the-classic-liberal.com/love-country-fear-government/



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pride is a sin I struggle against. When one of my children does something REALLY good I struggle with this swelling feeling in my chest--

but I haven't seen "America" (whatever that word means) do anything really good in a very long time, if ever.

I see individuals do good things, but those individuals doing good things aren't just restricted to one geographical area.

I'm sorry; I'm no help on this.

Pride, a sin.

America, what is that?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Here is nationalist propaganda at work

Proud to be an American? Absolutely not. That is blind, nationalist propaganda.

I can take no credit or responsibility for the fact that I was born within certain geographical boundaries. Not only that, those geographical boundaries mean nothing if our country descends into an oppressive dictatorship. I am happy to be a liberty-loving human being, and I am equally happy to consider myself one with liberty-loving human beings everywhere, regardless of the arbitrary geographical boundaries into which they were born.

Pride doesn't really play a

Pride doesn't really play a role in fidelity for me. Principle drives my loyalty. I'm honored to be a Montanan, though.

I am tickled pink to have been born in the USA

rather than somewhere else in the world. We have an heritage unknown to any other people.

Today? Hell no. Not only am I not proud...

...if I travelled abroad I'd tell them I'm from Canada.

Otherwise I might end up dead - or at least hated.

My government has killed too many people and created too many "radical terrorists" who now have dmned good reasons to hate us.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Yes

And thanks for the quote.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

You mean the USA? The USA, Canadians, Mexicans,

Brazilians, Argentinians, Guatemalans, etc., etc., are all "Americans", from North America, Central America and South American.

Nope. But OldNo.7J.D. you bring up great topics.

I am not proud of it. I am not ashamed either. I happened to pop out of my mom's womb in this geographic area. It is nothing to be proud of. But as far as comparing the US to other countries, I don't see this as my favorite at all. It is not that great of a time to be living here. The most important thing to me is freedom and we have very little of it.

American culture is a completely manufactured one. It's not easy to embrace Kraft™ Mac-n-Cheese, Oscar Meyer™ hotdogs on Wonder™ buns with Heinz™ catchup, Grey Poupon™ mustard, and Mt. Olive™ pickles. Nor is it easy to show excitement about Britney Spears™ Hit me one more time, Justin Beiber™ Baby, Hank Williams Jr™, or even Madonna™ as they are all promoted and controlled by a certain group with and agenda.

The only deep rich culture, imo, that grew up organically is that of the deep South, Louisiana in particular. This is the heart of Blues, Jazz, and Zydeco music memes. These are truly unique forms of art created by Americans. I can dig these. And that is not saying that the corporate music industry does not come out with talent. It just seems that creativity, art, and talent are not their primary agenda.

Hollywood sucks imho. What a plastic, expensive, materialistic, and agenda-pushing abomination to the art of moving pictures.

American fashion sucks. I am so sick of women's clothing getting tighter, sheerer, tinier, cheaper(half a dozen washings and they're toast), and skankier by the year. I shutter to imagine what women will be forced to wear in a mere five years from now. And yes, I mean forced. There are only a few dozen clothing shops that dominate the entire Country now. What a disgrace. Men's clothing have not deteriorated as fast.

As for freedom, as in America, the land of the free, well, LMAO. I have visited 30 countries. The US is leaps and bounds the least free of all thirty. Only those who understand freedom and have traveled would know this. Many conflate prosperity with freedom. And the propaganda coming from the US State-controlled television is always touting the America the greatest BS.

I know it is an unpopular viewpoint. And for those who think that realists like myself should just leave I will tell you why Americans uniquely have the toughest time leaving. The US is the only Country in the world that requires their citizens working overseas to pay US income tax on wages earned abroad....indefinitely. So unless you revoke your US citizenship you will be forced to pay double taxes when you leave. And once you revoke it you will be hard pressed to return to visit family. The USGovt does not see kindly on its property abandoning ship.

And as far as taxes I truly see Americans as getting the biggest rip-off of all. Although at first blush it would appear that we have it good, when the cost of health care is added into our tax we, by far, pay more than any Scandinavian Country. Their tax burden at least returns some benefits. Ours: not. For the average American the most he is receiving in benefits are roads and the PO. We are forced to pay for a military that employs nearly twice as many people as the World's largest corporation and in return we get absolutely no defense. We get a military that unequivocally puts our safety in jeopardy.

The best thing about living in the US is the dollar. Since the dollar is the World's reserve currency Americans have been able to live far better than the rest of the world by the mechanism of exporting inflation. So we have been able to buy imported goods at cheap prices. As in every empire the people living in the empire live off the proceeds of their colonies. In a very hidden fashion, Americans have had this exorbitant privilege for many years. We live off the sweat and blood of most of the rest of the world. This is especially true for the more connected of us. Since this means of theft is so hidden very few know about it. It is easy to think that Americans are exceptional by not knowing this. It is a big bummer to figure out that we have been plundering a large portion of our success.

So that's that.

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Great Points Dducks

It is true that the U.S. doesn't make it easy or cheap to leave. It's kind of like we are trapped here.

I've never been abroad, so I have no real way to know the degree of freedom citizens of other countries but I'm surprised to hear you say that American's have less freedom than the others. I know it's easy to get in trouble preaching Christianity abroad, and I know the U.S. is tenth on the economic freedom index. Could you please elaborate on why other countries have more freedom?

This is a great comment with a lot of good information. Thanks for sharing Dducks.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Certainly OldNo7JD.

As far as freedom in other countries, I concluded that it doesn't pay to control poor people. Therefore any country that has a lower standard of living has more freedom. Even in Europe though, which is not too free, the building codes are minimal, smoking in public is fine, airport security is lax, there is no war on natural foods or drugs, prescriptions can be chosen and dispensed at the pharmacies, to name a few things.

Here is an example. In Israel, which is not too free, I met a friend who owned a condominium. It was on the top floor. He was a clever guy. He remodeled his unit with a completely different roof and exterior. He designed it himself and did not even have an engineering degree. His design was really bizarre. It had tension beams holding up the vaulted ceiling. It looked totally different from the rest of the building and frankly a bit precarious. So the building codes are virtually non-existent. In Mexico there are no building codes. But they build their structures with solid concrete walls, floors, ceilings, and roofs. They will last a hundred years. We build ours with flimsy 2x4s or empty block. Ours will last a fraction of the time that theirs will.

So those examples are for the more developed countries. In the underdeveloped countries things are even more free. Taxes are virtually non-existent. There are no building codes, no business licenses, no need for prescriptions for pharmaceuticals, and no FDA or health departments shutting down small business. Prostitution is generally illegal but never enforced, guns maybe illegal but allowed, traffic laws are minimal, drugs are generally illegal but not enforced, no draconian environmental laws, surveillance is minimal because it doesn't pay to spy on poor people, tax laws are minimal, littering is not illegal, education is not mandatory (homeschooling is not frowned upon), children are still able to go outside and have fun, and smoking is allowed in public.

These are some of the things I can think of off hand. To many who have not studied liberty much, they are repulsed at some countries, mostly Mexico, for some of the above qualities. But that is what freedom looks like to me. The littering problem, imho, has to do with lack of property rights. It's the tragedy of the commons. People generally won't litter their own property, but then go out onto the street (commons) and litter. Without laws and readily available trash receptacles - why not litter?

I always get sick when I travel. So in the following countries I just went to the pharmacy, told them the symptoms, or the drug I wanted and got them: Morocco, Spain, Mexico, Bhutan, Argentina, and Israel. I chewed coco leaves in Peru and as I was flying home I remembered they were in my luggage. I freaked out. I thought for sure I would go to jail. And once I carried Cuban cigars back from Mexico and got them confiscated. What a joke.

The following shows how China's property rights are far stronger than ours here. This new highway had to go around this dilapidated apartment building because a couple did not want to sell.
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I really love where I live now. I do not want to leave. I really just want to be left alone. But the government wants my property. They have re-designated it as 'preserve' while I lived here, without my knowledge, or consent. So I will stay and fight. Perhaps when they have sucked us dry of money they will finally leave us alone. I would much rather be poor a free than illegitimately prosperous (from exporting inflation) and demoralized and enslaved.

"People often complain about

"People often complain about their country here but I stand by the best country in the world, my country, America"

How do you justify that America is the best country in the world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWKccHQFOA

I love what this country is supposed to be

not what it actually is. Right now this country is a sad joke.

why can't we all just have fun??

just kiddn. because I have to wash the blood off my hands every day when I wake up to this nightmare.

I Love my Country but hate my

I Love my Country but hate my government. Not the form of government but how it has become corrupt.

In my understanding Pride should come from a sense of

Accomplishment.

Without accomplishment, pride is close to Hubris.

What is it to be American? As others in the responses have noted, being born into a label is little to be proud about. Black Pride, White Pride, Male, Female, etc. Is it an accomplishment to be any of those? Is it an accomplishment to be given something or to Give something?

If we as Americans threw off our Central Planners, stopped the undeclared wars that are being conducted with our Silent Consent, and restored a Free Market absent of coerced monopolies, then I say we would all have something to be Proud About.

Until then, I think we should focus on the Shame of doing little to nothing save raising men and women to Idol status in Hope that they will relieve us of all the Evils. Are we Adult Men and Women capable of refusing Consent for Fiat Money, undeclared Wars, accepting Debt approve and benefited by others, and in general being Ruled by those we call 'representatives'?

Being a de facto Slave that has an American moniker is no accomplishment. Once enough Americans stand up and refuse their Consent to being Ruled, I'd say it would be an event worth having Pride in.

I am only me

That proud to be an American label is dictated at me and not true.

I do not want to lead you and I do not want you to think you can lead me.

sovereign

I am proud of my country and ashamed of my government

The government is not the country. We are. Right now we are under a ruling class that has presented people the illusion of choice, and are very slick at corrupting the country, but we are waking up.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

My friend...

an "Economics Major" (Keynesian/ Intellectual Elitist) and self-proclaimed "free-thinker" (Statist Liberal) likes to question my "patriotism" because of my political views. I'm un-American if I don't have undying love for everything my country does in MY name. I support Bradley Manning, therefore I'm un-American. I don't support the false notion of "American Exceptionalism" in the sense that we, as Americans, have "Moral Superiority" over other nations because we are "Good" and they are "bad", therefore... you guessed it, I'm un-American.

This form of attack really irritates me, because I too love my country! He thinks Patriotism is standing by your Country, good and bad. While I can agree with his sentiments, I would go one step farthur and say that "blind allegiance" and not acknowledging the "bad things" your country does is NOT patriotism, but subservience. Real Patriotism is standing up for what is RIGHT, including calling out your own Government for attrocities it commits, e.g. War Crimes.

My Political Awakening: I Wanted to Change the World...
I am NOT Anti-America. America is Anti-Me - Lowkey
How to Handle POLICE STATE Encounters

A sad little lizard.

Quoth Robert Heinlein: "This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humouring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply."

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

I just became a member now..

I just became a member now to give my input on this topic, I've been a long time lurker but felt compelled by this topic to finally join the DP as I had a discussion about this. To make a long topic short I am going to quote George Carlin as he said it best.. "“I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t say “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.” So why the fuck would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?” With that being said, this is the old technique to "divide and conquer." When I get asked where I'm from, I politely answer "from planet earth but born in Mexico and raised in America." This whole notion of belonging to a group has always led to some sort of hate between groups. If we were to stop categorizing people based on place of birth, religion, color, this world would be a more loving place. You'd be surprise how little to no respect some foreign countries have towards Americans for their lack of knowledge in geography and the negative attributes the Government has imposed on their people with their poor foreign policies. Then again these very same people elected such Government. But continue...

"Life is just a candle, and a dream must give it flame.."

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Knowing where you're going involves knowing where you came from

That's awesome that this post inspired you to join up. Welcome to the time-machine rabbit hole of awesomeness that is the DP. I'm looking forward to your threads.

I'm proud to be an American because I love America. It's like saying my Dad can beat up your Dad because I love my Dad. I understand the point you're trying to make about misplaced pride, and I suppose pride isn't the best word for the emotion I'm trying to express.

Being proud to be an American is essentially what we call patriotism.

Do you love your country? Are you a patriot?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Thank you for your warm welcome..

I love this country for the opportunities it has presented to me and my family, but being that I wasn't born here I can't pledge my allegiance to the USA. I pledge allegiance to no country for that matter. However, I respect all coutries and love all cultures. I do tend to favor my culture a little more than others, but that is only because I grew up with it, it's in my roots. I am a patriot though, I will fight tyranny in any land regardless if I am a citizen of that country or not. Afterall, the world is my country. I follow the example of a Spanish-Mexican Revolutionary by the name of Francisco Javier Mina. He was a Spanish lawyer, well educated from a wealthy family, who fought against the French occupation of Spain, and later fought his own against the King's tyranny to help Mexico gain its independence from Spain, his motherland. Neat stuff. But we are together on this fight brother.

"Life is just a candle, and a dream must give it flame.."

No. Intend to help restore my nation to its former greatness.

Where Americans view the Declaration of Independence as their own statement.

Where the Constitution and Bill of Rights are not just respected, but where laws passed contrary to these original documents are treated as treason and lawmakers responsible for said blasphemy are prosecuted as such to the fullest extent of the law.

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Proud?

I love my country.

I am appalled by government.

I am even more appalled by the vast majority who believe in the religion of government.

I hope I'm not proud. What good would that do?

ditto

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With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

The religion of government

farmer, have you read this, on the religion of Government, from Larken Rose's book The Most Dangerous Superstition? You will enjoy it, I think.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Indeed

Indeed I have read the book. My comment was a reference to it. Like Ron Paul, Larken Rose has articulated a great many things which many of us have understood intuitively for a long time. These people, Ron Paul, Larken Rose, Lew Rockwell, and others, are the Thomas Paines of our day. May their words awaken us and renew our resolve.

No, not really.

When I was a kid in grammar school back in the 1950's and learned American history I was proud, and admired our Forefathers, but today I think better than 95% of the politicians and the special interests they serve are crooks, the masses are ignorant losers, and this system of plunder and control under which much of the world serves as serfs is despicable. What is there to be proud of?

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Yes, Henry, much has changed since the '50s,

much of it for the better. I must mention the mores of the '50s have it all over today's standards of behavior, however, '50s culture, generally, contributed to the eventual evolution of the present day U.S. state of the Union. It's too bad we didn't have the internet back in the day. A '50s internet may have 'nipped in the bud' all that has caused for the messes of today.

Lee Greenwood's 'Proud to be an American' *Slightly updated

I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm in captivity,
And I won't forget the men who lied to take my rights from me,
And I gladly bow down next to you and roll over still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.

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