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I'll go ahead and start:

1) Silver Servers Project:

I want to add to my vendor-ship at the farmers market a separate stand with divisions of SILVER: 1 gram, 5 grams, .5 Oz, and 1 oz, for people to buy and sell farmer markets goods (including mine) priced in silver or dollars.

This will ease the exchanges by using the most fungible traditional money along with fiat currency.

This will very quickly establish a local-oriented alternative money system that appreciates against the dollar by counteracting increases in costs for vendors and increases in prices for customers with a more stable medium for exchange.

We need to lay down the buffer now in our local exchanged to the value of the dollar starting with our most fungible money alternative.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT STRICTLY MONEY, BUT IDEAS TO COUNTERACT THE THEATRICS OF THE FED AS WE SEE THEM PRACTICE ON CYPRUS.

OTHER IDEAS

Your ideas will also be added here when they come along

2) Operation Perma-Church

http://www.dailypaul.com/123121/operation-perma-church-a-pla...

3) Spring Clean the Liberty Machine

http://www.dailypaul.com/241544/operation-frugal-fred-restru...

4) From Marx to Markets, How to transcend Progressives:

PLAN: Use permaculture to pull in progressives from the left into the austrian economic ideologue; transcend progressives into libertarians for long term investing in the secessions of political change

Purpose: closing the doors on the establishment by merging the apathy on both sides of the bi-partisanship and detracting from 21st century moderates

5) Socializing Silver, taking away our "kings' bubble guns".

http://www.dailypaul.com/266147/if-i-were-a-socialist-this-i...



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...Should be discussed more!

Keep your eye on the prize! - Ending legal tender laws in order for the Federal Reserve System to self-destruct is of the upmost importance.
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Here's my idea:

http://www.bart-mart.com/how.mp3

Start out with food items and start accepting all kinds of stuff in return. Get everyone involved in your trading post and you can in fact replace the entire monetary system in your community with a private credit system backed up 100% by tangible items.

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Good post Perma, real good.

Good post Perma, real good. Nice to see you still alive and kicking man.

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

Thanks man,

Trying to organize everything and get things going the last thing I want is for this movement to fade. Now is the time for some of us old timer dpers to start making waves again and getting hands in the soil beats boots on the ground anyday

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

I think this is a fantastic

I think this is a fantastic idea. The only problem I see, is you are using two different weights, the gram and the troy ounce. You should pick one, and stick with it. I suggest grams.

31.1034 Grams In An Ounce.

Grams to ounces, and ounces to grams can be figured very quickly with an accurate cheap calculator.

Pre 1964 American "Silver" coins are 90% Silver.

beesting

More Weights And Measures In Dollars And Cents:

http://www.goldmoney.com/

CURRENT PRECIOUS METAL SPOT PRICES

GOLD:
$1,607.10/oz
$51.6692/gram
Gold Buy Rates

SILVER:
$28.78/oz
$0.9253/gram
Silver Buy Rates
So half a gram of Silver would be about 46.5 cents
A quarter gram about .23 cents
A tenth of a gram about .09253 cents

480 grains in an ounce.
The original U.S. Silver dollar was supposed to contain:
371.25 grains of Silver:

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/coinage1792.txt

As per the coin prices book: Kennedy 1964 half dollar 90% Silver, 1965-1970 Kennedy half dollar 40% Silver.

gram combibars are apparently being imported to the USA, check it out:

http://www.combibar.com/

beesting

28.35 gram/ounce

The buyer and seller can quickly check the alloy using a tricorder that the recycler uses.

Hooked to an ipad app and a scale both buyer and seller could quickly verify each transaction.

The market could hire and certify arbitrators to protect the buyers. Currently Credit Card companies charge the seller 3% for this service. Baseball Teams hire trained umpires for the same purpose.

Free includes debt-free!

That is a standard ounce.

The 31 grams is a troy ounce. Precious metals are measured in troy ounces.

Your hired!

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Free includes debt-free!

A correction of an error ...

A correction of an error ... Pre-1965 (1964 and earlier) American silver coins are 90% silver.

BTW, this thread is a great idea. I'd like to add that Christian churches which truly obey God's Word should EXCLUSIVELY conduct their local business in precious metals. God hates dishonest weights and a devalued US dollar (yes, FRN) is certainly dishonest. Churches conducting their local business in gold, silver, and copper (including tithes) would seriously contribute to creating a vibrant local economy based on real money. These coins would circulate to places like farmers' markets.

I seems obvious that churches would prefer honest money.

It would help circulate real money in the community. I like this idea, a lot.

Free includes debt-free!

It could be worked out with a

It could be worked out with a calculator, but it isn't that simple. How do you pay a 2 gram price with oz coins? A 1/10 oz coin is 3.11g. There are similar problems paying ounce prices with gram weights.

Payment cannot be exact with various weight systems, and adding the all of the junk silver makes payment even slower, more confusing, and unfair.

I understand how they are not divisible into each other

But that's why I keep them in separate accounts but still keep both... This is about pricing produce in silver more so than coming up with change for a Troy ounce in terms of grams. But if I do need change from a Troy ounce pmt I could use currency

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

In the end, you are forced,

In the end, you are forced, without an adequate system of coinage, to rely on funny money to complete payment. You should work out the problems in your system before you begin.

I'm not saying it is a bad idea, even with the faults, but why so defensive? There is an obvious problem with using multiple weight systems.

I dont know if you can tell my tone but I haven't been defensive

at all.. in fact I asked for more advice if anything.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Actually, what you're

Actually, what you're thinking about plays into an idea of mine, this. If only we could get all of the dailypaul behind a system of coinage and push it together.

absolutely, if we could get a foundation under 501(c)4

together and use it to network DPers into a community of hard money traders and ideas we could certainly give this website a practical outlet in the real world... eventually i'll set one up but must wait til after law school

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

The question is, how does one

The question is, how does one bring the DP together to teach money?

Too many folks on here are waiting for a political solution within the US government, like a Rand Paul presidency. I think that such a political solution is impossible.

We don't have enough time for "eventually" setting something up. We need this now.

I graduate in May, i'll set it up this summer

the more people who join this post the more I will know where to take the foundations first steps... and how to get us all actively trading

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Don't set it up yourself.

Don't set it up yourself. This must be an effort we bring the DP together to start, so that people feel invested, and get out there to spread the word.

I tried with my thread post to start a conversation, but it didn't take off. Perhaps someone can go to Nystrom to appeal for his leadership. Do you know him well enough?

My Neighbor Sold Tomato's At A Growers Market By The Pound.

He wasn't very quick at figuring math problems, so he invested $300.00 in a battery operated scale that he could program to weigh his tomato's and display the price to himself and his customers, at the same time.

I'm sure his scale could be programed to give prices in amounts of silver or dollars and cents very quickly...... Where there's a will, there's a way.

beesting

Why not have both?

if the grams and ounces can be bartered and supply liquidity to the market couldn't it be based on consumer/trader preference?

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

If you want to do this

If you want to do this properly, working towards a single weight system being adopted by the market would greatly ease, and thereby speed adoption.

Prices cannot be asked, or paid exactly with mixed weights. Adding less than fine coins into the mix further slows payment and burdens transactions. You need to give them an incentive to play along. These farmers could take their dollars, and go buy silver.

certainty is important. but silver is fungible enough for me

to equilibrate my demand for silver with my supply of produce and manage it according to my channel of production needs and consumer preference.

I think it will surely work... if nationwide it might steal state legislatures ability to subsidize agriculture in dollars alone ;)

And remember, Article 1 allows states to issue silver.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

I don't think you know what

I don't think you know what fungible means. Specie of different weights and purities are not fungible -- they aren't interchangeable, and running a system of non-fungible coins is not a good idea.

There is no "fungible enough", either it is, or it isn't.

For gold/silver to be monetized, it has to be first minted into an adequate system of coinage.

I am 100% behind the people of the daily paul getting together, and pushing for a system of gold and silver coinage -- I've commented to this exactly in the past, but it must be a sensible system. Since grams allow greater liquidity, I believe we should use a system based on grams.

Maybe we should have them privately minted... what about a 1 gram silver coin called the Ron, and a 1 gram gold coin called the Paul? Awesome. "Yes sir, that will be 7 Rons."

lol sounds great. yep I do know what fungible means,

it is when you can buy and sell the same function of one unit for a different form of one unit to achieve the same transaction.

Divisibility matters in that it can be standardized to the weights and purity of public minted grams or ounces and pegged to the value of my produce.

If ounces and grams are all pegged to spot, and publicly minted, they maintain their marketable value.

However, consumer preferences as to the divisibility of grams to ounces will be based on my supply of produce and the underlying price

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Silver is divisible; it can

Silver is divisible; it can be divided into different weights. That is what divisible means.

Different weights, however, aren't fungible. There is no way to pay precisely. You don't have to listen to me, but I am telling you the truth.

They could pay in either

They are both divisible, they are both fungible as they both can be traded for a different version of the same medium, they should be based on consumer demand and preferences of other traders in the farmers market, I'll use both. But thanks for your input the more the merrier :)

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Thank you

You are a hero.

Other ideas? Dunno, really. Keep playing cards close to the chest and seek out "alternative market" opportunities.