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Darwin's Ideas have been USED to Justify Racism, Genocide, Industrial Monopoly Without Restraint

"The actual title of Darwin's famous book is:
The Origin of Species of Means of Natural Selection, or
Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life

Many elite and power seeking individuals use his theories to justify genocide or industrial monopoly. (survival of the fittest)

"J. D. Rockefeller said, "The growth of large business is merely a survival of the fittest." to justify industrial monopoly.

"As early as 1923 in his book Mein Kampf, Hitler expressed his adherence to evolution in justifying genocide." (the survival of the fittest) although he did not quote Darwin. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/what-did-char...

My Idea of Human Evolution of Modern Man
I believe there is a prime creator who has created all species of living things, and evolution is part of the grand scheme of creation.

As humans we evolve by our choices and the conditions of our environment. We move in the direction of our choices within a lifetime and gain strength in that direction, whether it be the choice of physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual development.

In the end our human choices determine our evolution as a species. Even in the midst of our present dark time in history, humans as a group struggle with what they will value in the future, as the age of animal-human marked by ego, greed, seeking power over others, and seeking wealth, comes to a close.

Now we become a kinder more sensitive species of human seeking those values of the heart and spirit. Jesus came teaching love, forgiveness, and compassion, and that is where we are to move on the path. Buddha taught the same.

What we create upon this Earth, what we choose to value, how we choose to behave, is our choice as individuals and as a group. A new age emerges.

Well that is how I see it. It would be interesting to read your ideas.

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Check out this debate:

Dr. Berlinksi "poisons the well" with his arguments.

http://youtu.be/hLPc6cI35gs

Love thy enemy.

Thanks for all the good viewing and reading

for Dr. Berlnski. He makes sense when he says in the video that there is a very limited range of change during all of history for each species. Dogs, birds, and other species have changed very little.

The following is also very interesting and relevant from an article by Dr. Berlinski: http://www.humanevents.com/2008/04/18/connecting-hitler-and-...

"Would he care to live in a society shaped by Darwinian principles? The question was asked of Richard Dawkins.

Not at all, he at once responded.
And why not?
Because the result would be fascism.

In this, Richard Dawkins was entirely correct; and it is entirely to his credit that he said so."

Why lie?

Talk to any experienced dog breeder...

What would an experienced

dog breeder say?

This Stuff is Old, and Still True

2+2 =4 may be old, but it is still true. And racism flows quite naturally out of Darwinism. It simply takes Darwinism to its logical conclusion. Hitler did use Darwinsim, in context, to promote his theories. Any use he made of Christianity was OUT of context, a complete distortion of Christ's teachings and what the scripture actually says.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

I suppose...

"Racism flows quite naturally out of Darwinism"....IF you have absolutely zero understanding of Darwin's Theory of Evolution, science, or understanding of words in context.

"It simply takes Darwinism to its logical conclusion." ...Yes, IF a scientific theory had a "conclusion" - but they don't, that's not what a scientific theory is. (What's the "logical conclusion" of Newton's Theory of Gravity? We all get sucked up into the sun?) So, again, if you don't understand science, every read his book, or lack any understanding of how evolution works....then yes, absolutely you are correct.

"Any use he made of Christianity was OUT of context, a complete distortion of Christ's teachings and what the scripture actually says."... Possibly, then why did gullible Christians fall for it and went merrily along singing "God is with us" as they killed millions of innocent people? Seems pretty "in context" to what Hitler told them to do.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Sorry, this stuff is very old and tired....and completely absurd

Others are more informed and eloquent than I. Here's a start:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13689-evolution-myths-...

This one is very in depth and focuses in retorte:
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/darwin_nazism.htm

It is true that Hitler and the like 'used' Darwin's theories in their dreams of a super race. But, that is completely separate from Darwin's theory itself. Most of what is complained about is the idea of "social Darwinism", which is such an oxymoron it could only be created by Christian apologists.

It's hard for me to believe this stuff is still out there. I mean, I know it gets retread every ten years or so. But really, still falling for it? (It's like bringing out Sarah Palin at CPAC as a "conservative" every couple of years). The Nazi military did what they did for religious reasons, it was a Christian genocide - it is that simple.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Thanks for the websites

and your ideas. This is great reading from the site you gave.
"Racism, Slavery, and Genocide before Darwin

Infanticide, rape, genocide, slavery, abortion, and "racism" have all been prevalent from the earliest of times. We even see these behaviors in animals, so we know that these behaviors predate even humanity. It is safe to say that these things have probably been practiced by virtually all human societies. There are records from the Egyptians, for example, ridiculing the Nubians as inferiors, some of the earliest records of racism. The Bible itself records the not only the idea of "a chosen people", but indeed records genocide, slavery, and infanticide at the "command of God". http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/darwin_nazism.htm

You are right about Hitler. He never quotes Darwin, but
"Hitler made many references, in speeches and in writing, to nature’s elimination of the unfit as essential to progress." and used it to justify genocide. http://hitlerandchristianity.com/darwin-evolution-haeckel-hi...

We need to think through a better way of living in peace and cooperation on this planet.

ideas

are always prostituted and corrupted.

survival of the fittest was really just that species that could adapt to it's external forces the quickest and most efficiently.

the fact that people misused and perverted it to have anything to do with a particular human race doesn't reflect negatively on the idea, but the proponents.

personally, i'd be more concerned with the ramifications of sigmund Fraud and his cousin edward bernays.

I agree in nature there is survival of the physically fittest..

And how true about prostitution of ideas.

I think humans need a different set of descriptors than Darwin provided. Otherwise we get the survival of the psychopathic breed of human, which is without empathy or love or compassion!

I think Jesus had the right idea about where we need to go in our values in order to survive and not annihilate one another.

Freud did lots of damage and his ideas are still part of the global culture. In the end he descried himself and projected it on the world.

Not really

You still do not understand the term "fittest". This part of Darwin's theory has nothing to do with physical ability, size, or even one member of a species being overpowering of others in that species. It is simply the "fittest" genetic adaption for the environment. For instance, small mouse-like creatures were at the bottom of the food chain, but when the environment changed, they had genes that made them more "fit" to survive and their predator enemies died out. That is survival of the fittest.

This tired "social darwinism" stuff has been debunked hundreds of times. Darwin's scientific theory had nothing to do with civilization or society, merely explained why there are different "races" of homo sapiens just as there are different "races" of wolves and different "races" of Walruses - nearly identical DNA with very slight skeletal and skin/fur differences.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Interesting.

"the "fittest" genetic adaption for the environment"

Unfortunately Darwin's idea has been twisted by people such as Hitler and used to justify issues such as genocide. Remember the actual title of Darwin's book,

"The Origin of Species of Means of Natural Selection, or
Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life"

and also his attitude toward women, believing man is more highly evolved than woman. These ideas are woven into present day thinking even at a subconscious level. It is a good idea to look at our own thinking and old mythology to see if they still fit.

Again...words

"Races" as used in the title is used in a scientific sense, so it can apply to plants as well as bears. It has nothing to do with human variation specifically.

A group of scientists and anthropologists tried to determine how many 'races' of humans there were back in the 60's I believe. They used small changed infacial bone sructures, ears, nose shape, etc.... They eventually just stopped because they were in the hundreds and not even outside of Europe yet.

It has been a couple decades since I read that book, but I don't recall anything remotely saying males were "higher evolved" than females. Actually....just saying that would completely change his entire theory. So, that one I'm going to have to say "hooey".

And, if you actually want truth and real history, Hitler used Christianity and the "will of God" to convince the German people they were doing the right thing. I know the whole truth thing is not popular, but I have no choice, it is who I am.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I don't buy the "industrial monopoly" part

A monopoly is never a natural phenomenon in a "Darwinian" sense.

I also am cognizant of how phrases like "collective consciousness" and "new age" are Change Agent talking points. You might want to watch out for accidental parroting.

The Darwins sure were scummy, though. Buddies with the Huxleys, which led to Esalen and the "New Age" scam.

Robert Thurman, too. S-c-u-m-m-y.

You are right, monopoly is not natural.

But the idea is used to justify ruthless take-over of businesses and in the end a monopoly such as Monsanto is trying to create in the food industry globally!

Thanks for the advice on words. Made some changes.

Rather than just downvote

why not comment? I am always open to learning.

Don't worry about the down votes...

it's just the thought police trying to stifle ideas that expand, rather than collapse, human consciousness.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Thanks !

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