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Why People Should Not Be Able To DownVote Without Commenting To Explain It

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GREAT comment from KongVault: I don't understand the whole point of a downvote option at all. It's horrible for morale, just gets everyone pissed off, hating each other, doesn't do a damn thing to help the site. I can't think of a more divisive tool on a forum.

V: I agree! I would also add that if you see a post with zero votes on it you are more likely to up-vote it then if you see it with -58 votes.
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Let's face it. The vote count on these posts does have at the very least a subliminal effect on how people percieve your information. If people can "drive-by downvote" they can affect that perception without having to explain why they downvoted.

If people have to comment first before downvoting (and the downvote is shown in their comment) then the other people viewing the thread can decide if they actually had a legit reason for poo-pooing the information or if it was just some kind of personal vendetta.

Maybe they are just a "govt" plant, I don't know. The point is I think a lot of these posts that contain some PRO-ACTIVE information (not just from me) are being downvoted by some folks possibly because there is an agenda to keep this community chasing their tails.

With full disclosure of their vote that's less likely to happen. Think of it this way. Those of us with DP accounts are like the "state reps" and the people who read the site but don't have an account are like "the people." Shouldn't our votes be a matter of public view since we are de-facto representing the people who frequently read the DP?

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Anarchy Recognizes No Rule

..Knows no bounds...
...seeks no approval.
Zsh-Ninja was right!
Flick Lives!
Excelsior!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Hahahahahaha People actually

Hahahahahaha

People actually care about votes and ratings??

I'm not that sensitive, actually.

Sometimes I agree with comments that have been marked down 8 times or so, and I will TELL the person I agree with them, and take my retaliatory down votes. I think there are a few...how shall I say...slow people here. If I get downvoted I assume it was them...God bless 'em.

It may sound strange

but many core DP readers are not really Libertarian as Ron Paul. They really love, as one poster said, "gang mentality" and warm fuzzy feeling of the collective. Many of them have no rational ability to present their own arguments. They can only copy-and-paste or provide a link to something that excites their mind. Thumb work is meant to put peer pressure on younger folks and derive a collective satisfaction at the same time.

Some anarchists, like "fishy", would go as far as thumb down all posts against anarchism and proclaim "it is better to live under real criminal mafia than under todays police." No explanation is given how.

The winner of the parrots is "flin" or similar name. He never uses his own words, only copy and paste and a link. Then automatically thumbs up his posts.

Or

People such as yourself who prefer to provide anonymity to the real criminal Jewish devils that control our police and government.

Typical hypocrite. Calling others anti Christs when you whore for the tribe of anti Christs.

Your comment not mine
http://www.dailypaul.com/280614#comment-3025289

IDF troll. Trying to polarize every topic.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

If "criminal Jewish devils"

can control Leon Panetta, Hagel, Obama, Bush, FBI, CIA, trade unions, affirmative-action recipients, police, sheriffs, faith-keepres, etc. then they can control your wife too? They do control YOUR mind, right? You think and talk about Jews all the time. Any thread must be swtiched to Jews according to your mind. I would say, that is a real control.

I agree 100%

This guy is a plant.

Clever

So you condemn Buddhist Libertarians to hell? Then you are a real Libertarian, for your Aryan collective.

The link you provided is 100% halal, by the way. You could do better. Well, could you?

Clever

Again from both corners of your mouth. I expected nothing less.

I don't condemn them. Besides the covenant not being extended the them Yahweh will.

2 John 1:9-11

And you have the disgusting chutzpah to accuse others.

Hypocrite.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

Boy, you were soundly defeated in our previous

"debates" where you could only provide links but could not present your own arguments. You are the one who relies on thumb downs and personal attack. You cannot even stay on the topic of the thread. I think it is your deep inferiority that your mind is too weak to recognize.

Any time you want to have a voice debate

let me know. That's the easiest way to see if someone is all bunk or if they actually know what they're talking about.

The origin of thumb voting is actually with The Mob

The first implementation of mob thumbing

was in Rome in the colisuems where the mindless mob sat back and watched people get torn about by animals. Meanwhile, being fed bread, they let the Roman empire take over everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbs_signal#Ancient_Rome

Daily Paul has apparently become the agency of mindless gladiator contests and rule by the mob.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Of course, babies suck their

Of course, babies suck their thumbs too, so that might be where it came from.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

sometimes i wonder

if i am the ONLY ADULT here.
who gives a FLYING F about being down voted?

at least now you'll understand MY down vote.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

As soon as you put in names, the mob is valueless.

Perhaps because you don't actually contribute? The system is worth nothing if it's run by an anonymous gang.

I give two figs about what a mob vote rates things. But the mob obviously does. I want to see who I value vote.

And that's the whole point. The mob wants to be valued without offering anything.

People who actually have character only value what certain people think, the ones they value. The mob's self esteem will be all shot to hell when they realize they don't matter to thinkers and writers on here if the voting is changed.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

funny how many

superior intellects require validation from a group of strangers.
must be my lack of character, i don't care what any of you think of me.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

Umm no

"superior intellects require validation from a group of strangers."

Umm, no, you don't have any value to me at all.

I hate to break your thumb based self esteem, but only people I actually like matter to me. I have this think called character, you see, and what most people think by them being a mob isn't part of that equation.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Anonymous down votes are the

Anonymous down votes are the hallmark of mob mentality for the non-thinker. The exact thing most of us are against. Or at least will be until late comers and the mob arrive.

Names should be listed next to the downvotes. This is especially true of the leachers who never spend two seconds putting together a thoughtful post. "That's a thought, better downvote it". "Hmmm, facts I don't like - let's downvote again".

Everything wrong with our society - leaching off work of others, snitches, trolls, backstabbing, mob mentality, anonymous black box voting, are exactly like information is being touted here on this site as how it should be valued - of all places - it is ridiculous .

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I realize your

frustration here. Its not about the popularity contest of voting it is about meaningful debate to find truth.

I am trying a different tactic here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/280660/what-do-we-agree-on

I figured this might be a good way to find out if the trolls are destroying the votes. It seems to me that those who are closer to truth get the most down votes. It may be a function of lack of intellectual capacity or just trolls. Either way I want to see if the tactic in the link will help discover this.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

The right way to do it, but

The right way to do it, but perhaps too difficult to implement, is simply tabulate voting by who is in your friends list.

You add friends based on who you like. You value their voting, and that is what you see. It simplifies everyone's search for posts based on what the people they like like.

It eliminates trolls but isn't censorship. It's self decentralized recommendations from others that you choose yourself.

Trolls will hate this suggestion - because talent will float to the top.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

vince your post wasn't

vince your post wasn't entirely clear. does this mean we're still free to ridicule and insult you even if we don't formally vote? ive always been against voting n general but i don't want to be hindered from insulting you.

Just your presence

is insulting enough Bill.

Why not be consistent and

Why not be consistent and require people to comment if they want to up vote? Why are down votes special? Sometimes a comment gets down voted because the poster is an ass. More often they get down voted because the poster tells a truth others don't want to hear. In any given instance, there is absolutely no agreement about which of these two cases apply.

I think downvotes should be eliminated.

It's one thing to have your post just stay at zero. It's another thing when it's -50 and most of those down-votes are disingenuous. I think a lot of people confuse our mission here at the Daily Paul... which I support, with the need to be able to down-vote someone for whatever reason.

If the downvote was never implemented it wouldn't have had any effect on your rights. Also the voting in general kinda flies in the face of the constitutional republic we're trying to restore... because isn't voting a DEMOCRATIC principle?

As many of us have noted, the

As many of us have noted, the more clever trolls try to keep it at zero, and a lot of posts have 50-100 votes going both ways. Some of the moderators have noted that as well.

How exactly statistical possible is it to get a down vote as soon as someone up votes it for hours? To the mob, trolls, and those that don't like thinking, apparently the way to engage the public is not to contrib e anything, but try to hide information, troll, spam, and destroy the reputations of those actually posting.

Everything actual thinkers despise.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Ha ha ha ha ha :

Well, my rating score went straight down since posting in this thread.

Ha ha ha. Not that I quite understand the ratio set up, but lost 20 points on the right side.

Ha ha ha. You folks are just plain funny sometimes.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

If you attack The Mob

If you attack The Mob directly, the mob will retaliate.

You must learn the ways of the force, and how to avoid the mob.

The mob does not want you to be paid. It does not want to give you reputation. It is a collective and hates those that require it to think. It does not think, and does not want to think. It does not contribute, and despises those who can contribute.

Beware The Mob, because it is everywhere, even where it claims most it is not.

Learn the ways of the mob - and by the way, I am getting to old for this sort of thing, you must help yourself!

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

LOL@ -46

Silly rabbits Trix are for kids!

There is a compromise

Show down votes alongside up-votes, do not use the sum of the 2.

Sometimes I Wonder Myself * * :

* * why a comment gets down voted within moments. For me they could at least come in and say "You're full of it".

But then, that would just be taking up space and doesn't make any points for rebuttal or discussion.

Guess I could stay with discourse and skip replies all together.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info