New truck/used truck: what to do?
Submitted by Ulfilas on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 10:16I'm looking to purchase a new or used vehicle. Preferably a crew cab truck. But, I am too full of guilt to help any of the bailout motor companies (Chrysler, GM, Ford, etc). Alternatively, one could say buying an import isn't helping US owned businesses. The free market person in me says screw local businesses and buy whatever suits my needs. I currently have a Hyundai whose spare parts are all shipped from Korea and I haven't had an ounce of guilt for owning it because it was cheap and served its purpose. I actually discovered today Suzuki makes trucks and still operates in the US! I haven't seen a Suzuki on the road in a while but maybe I am not looking.
What are some of the DPs ideas on vehicles? Buy used? Buy new? Starve the Government owned Auto-industry? I am seeking your input.
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get a used 1997-2008 Ford
get a used 1997-2008 Ford F150. The V6 4.6 is a great motor. If you're pulling anything not too heavy, the 5.4 V8 works great.
If you're pulling heavy stuff like a 5th wheel, large horse trailer, big boat, etc...look at the 1999-2007 F 250. The V8 gas is a good motor, but bad gas mileage (what do you expect). I've read horrible reviews about the 6.0 diesel...and most people seem to love the 7.3 L Turbo Diesel. That will get better gas mileage, of course diesel is about 20-25% more expensive right now.
With a diesel...you can even set up to make your own biodiesel.
Just pointing out that Ford
Just pointing out that Ford never took bailout money. I personally will never buy a new foreign vehicle...but that is based more off of personal family tradition than any real free market principal....think about it...you buy say a Toyota new....that means you pay say $35k to Toyota of Japan....but thats USD you are paying....the only thing Toyota of Japan can do with USD is buy either oil or American products...if it werent for us being the world reserve currency every dollar we spend on a foreign product comes right back to us....except for those spent on oil and even that eventually comes back to us. Its the oil issue that prevents me from buying foreign though. Buy what suits your needs....as for me if that includes a new vehicle that vehicle will always be American...its a myth that may have been true in the 80s that foreign vehicles are better. I am an ASE certified mechanic...I know better.Used vehicles are completely different...any used vehicle you buy the money will stay local or even if sent to some other country it will recycle back unless you are buying from an oil company.
You beat me to it
Didn't Ford even make a commercial that pretty much bragged about how they didn't take part in any "bailout"? The commercial was eventually banned, if I recall correctly.
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lease one
After the crash, you can stop making payments.
Buy Used from a reputable small car dealer
You get the vehicle you need without making payments to the big banks, and you will contribute to a local small business and thus to your local economy.
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Forget about Bailouts
The bailout money was stolen from you. If you buy from GM it just means you are getting some of it back and that's a good thing. It doesn't mean you are a part of the corruption. Buy whichever truck meets your needs.
I bought a 2000 Silverado 1500 brand new and drove it for 186,000 miles. Best truck I ever owned. FWIW.
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Ford.
Stood strong...no bail out.
An F150 is a great vehicle...ours is over 20 years old and running/looking great.
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Buy the truck that works for you
I have an 86 suzuki and it has worked for me for 26 years.. It is now being converted to professional work truck so I can carry my chef tools, 24 miles per gal.. relatively inexpensive to repair, registration and insurance are reasonable (I haven't had a ticket, in decades and beat that) So, since the car was paid for decades ago.. it's affordable and does the job I need it for.
To me, if I needed a bigger truck, I would probably buy a used truck, I don't care too much who makes it.. although I do like Saturn.. I have a Saturn and it's an excellent car.. and they make SUVs.. ir they did.
Anyways. I hope you find the perfect truck!!
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2000-2002 F-250 diesel
Get one with under 200k miles, and you'll have a truck for another 200k miles for under 10 grand.
You can buy an 03, just be sure it has the 7.3 liter diesel, not the 6.0. I've got 200k on mine, and it has had no problems in the 36k miles I've driven it.
They get about 19 mpg, more if you get the 2wd.
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I always buy used
Less sales tax, less property tax & cheaper insurance; but I'm an excellent mechanic.
What I am planning on doing
What I am planning on doing is keeping my current vehicle as a backup and I am going to buy a used 2005 box truck from Uhaul for my business for around $7000.I figure the money I save buying used leaves me with plenty of money left over(vs 20grand) for repairs,fuel,tuneups and car insurance on both vehicles.And as a bonus a box truck can be a great bug out vehicle.
Check to see if there are any in your area here.
http://www.uhaul.com/TruckSales/
Easy one! Buy a private used
Easy one! Buy a private used vehicle!! Think about it, no sales tax, money usually stays in the local area and you quite possibly are helping out another individual. Get a mid 90s chevy or ford, heck even a dodge truck. The parts are cheap, they are easy to work on, and just about live forever, depending on what part of the country you are in.
I would
buy new and fork out the extra cash but 1 or 2 years old if need be. Other wise buy a truck from the the late 80's and early 90's lol. I still see Ford trucks running strong from then.
The warranty for me is an important feature. I just cannot be fully confident in an used vehicle. Sure new vehicles also have rotten apples but the the chances are much slimmer.
I cannot believe it but I too would suggest a Ford.
Although that Honda Ridgeline looks like a fine vehicle. Can't go wrong with a Honda these days imo.
Make sure you find out where they were made and check the recalls !! I do not know where the Ridgelines are made.
Happy Hunting,
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We have a 1990 F-350
crew cab diesel and it runs great! That thing is a beast and will haul anything you could possibly imagine. And the great thing about older trucks is you can use them like they were intended without worrying about getting them dirty or scratching the paint.
FORD
Did NOT get bailed out.
And makes great trucks - I'd buy 1 to 2 years old though - let someone else take the hit on the major depreciation that comes with driving it off the lot!
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The Austrian in you
should buy the truck that provides you the most value for the dollars you will spend. DO NOT be quilted into buying something because of PATRIOTIC duty…….that is not free market mentality that is coercion.
Turbo Diesel is the only way to go.
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Suzuki= done in US
Ford or Dodge the way 2 go
I have no regrets
I bought a used Nissan pickup 10 1/2 years ago and have had no regrets whatsoever. I don't care that it wasn't American. I paid cash for it to a nice gentleman who most likely put that money back into the local economy and I have a nice used truck that is still kicking! There's nothing better than being part of the new elite class called "people with paid for vehicles"! My truck rarely needs repairs and compared to what people pay in monthly truck payments, I'd rather pay for the repairs. I keep the oil changed regularly and it works like a champ! And the older class of Japanese vehicles have much better gas mileage so I'm happy all around. My advice, think beyond the purchase and how life is going to be. Are you going to be chained into high gas prices? Can you afford it? Do you mind knowing that you may have to pay a lot and often for repairs? If you want a new truck and have the cash, find one of those that the car salesman drove off the lot a few times. You can save mega bucks (thousands) on those rather than the one that never left the lot. Good luck!
Last September I purchased an 07 F150
got a great price on it on EBAY. V8, Low mileage, full bed and 4 WD. Happy as a pig in you know what with it. I'm proud to state that I'm 58 years old and have never purchased a Japanese vehicle although I do have a 52 Jaguar and a 83 Pinnafarina.
If not us than who?
Why is owning Japanese
Why is owning Japanese vehicles bad?
I didn't say it was bad
Just that I was proud to have never purchased one. I'll lay odds you are much younger than I and didn't have uncles serve during the war against Japan. Kind of like me never buying Nike sneakers. I would like to purchase a fine Cohiba now and then however. All in all it is the collective hive mentality I find alarming that leads me to feel the way I do.
If not us than who?
My uncle was a Vietnam vet,
My uncle was a Vietnam vet, he died last Friday actually. He had no problem buying products made there. In fact, this is a point that Dr. Paul has made in many of his books. Much more has been accomplished in US-Vietnam relations through peace and especially through friendly commerce than was ever achieved through war.
Also, nationalism, and hating those damn Japs, is one of the worst forms of "collective hive mentality." (not saying that is you, but just a generalization for other people out there.)
My indirect reference to Viet Nam
was made to point out the hypocrisy of setting up business with a nation who a couple of years before was killing Americans, over 50,000 of them, for being in their country. On the other hand we have a country 90 miles off the coast of the U.S. that has, other than their flirtation with the soviets, never menaced us and has an embargo upon them that keeps me from enjoying the finest cigars in the world. I don't hate Japanese people either, I'm just leery of their sense of national pride and their deeply instilled sense of superiority. Our defeat of their military was a bitter pill for many to accept, even to this day, not to mention the resentment of a different race utilizing atomic weapons against them, not quite what they would refer to as "Bushido".
If not us than who?
I understand where you are
I understand where you are coming from. Thanks for explaining.
Here are a couple cool links related to Japan:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408
On November 25, 1941 Japan’s Admiral Yamamoto sent a radio message to the group of Japanese warships that would attack Pearl Harbor on December 7. Newly released naval records prove that from November 17 to 25 the United States Navy intercepted eighty-three messages that Yamamoto sent to his carriers. Part of the November 25 message read: “...the task force, keeping its movements strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow...”
and
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/the-real-reason-ameri...
Both links were "shake your head" thought provoking.
The similarities in the lead up to Pearl Harbor and 911 are indisputable. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it and the Government controls what is able to be learned until all the players are beyond any form of accountability. I forget the author of the statement, "the bigger the lie the easier it is to get the masses to accept it", might have been Stalin, but for anyone to suggest shortly after Pearl that Roosevelt might have been complicit in allowing it to occur would have brought the same response many "truthers" encounter when they openly question our governments version of 911. Thanks for the links, the dots are becoming more connected every day and the U.S. doesn't appear to be the righteous nation we were force fed to beleive it is.
If not us than who?
Ya one of the craziest 9/11
Ya one of the craziest 9/11 things (besides tower 7 of course), is when the Air Force guy came in reporting to Cheney that the third plane (after tower 1 and 2 were already hit and we were clearly under "attack"), was 50 miles, then 30 miles, then 10 miles away from the Pentagon. Then asked Cheney in front of witnesses, "does the order still stand?" Presumably the order was NOT to shoot down the plane. The fact that this incident was never further investigated, along with the immediate destruction of all evidence at the crime scene, and the missing $2T from the day before, all indicate just how far gone the "media" is.
I remember always wondering in school "how did the slaves stay enslaved for so long when they clearly outnumbered the masters?" Then, "how did the Germans just go along with everything that Hitler was doing?"
Obviously these two groups did not fully understand the totality of evil of their rulers. Sometimes I wonder to just what degree evil is being committed in "our" name around the world.
The prices of used vehicles
will not depreciate as fast as new. As the economy gets worse,new sales will fall in favor of used.
If I recall correctly,
Ford didn't take any bailout money. I prefer to buy my vehicles gently used. I look for ones that were rentals so I know that they were well-maintained. As long as it looks and feels new to me, that is all that matters!
King Ranch F150
First I would never buy a car new off the lot unless it was running through a business. I have had F-150 trucks for a long time and love them. I currently drive a 2006 King Ranch f-150 4x4 it has 170,000 and has had no major mechanical problems. Just brakes, oil, shocks, and a power steering pump. I purchased it used with about 40,000. It will do everything I need and more. The gas millage sucks on it. It was the year before the fuel shutdown system that makes a big difference if you are on the highway all the time like me.