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What we SHOULD be doing

It is likely now, with Rand Paul's move toward illegal immigration, that Rand will not win the Republican nomination.

It is also likely, with Rand's Life at Conception Act, that he is incapable of winning a general election.

Winning an election, would for any candidate we put forward, be impossible in any case. The establishment owns the media, and the voting machines. With their media they form public opinion, and with their voting machines they can render public opinion moot, if their propaganda fails.

If Rand Paul actually won the white house, could we trust him? Presidents are selected, not elected. If he was to claim the oval office, then we can be assured that he has been corrupted.

It is well past time for the Liberty Movement to accept these truths, and come up with another way forward.

I have, I think, an idea that can unite the DailyPaul going forward. I propose that we focus our efforts on bringing about the circulation of gold and silver coinage.

Why?

1. There is a real moral difference between money and currency. Money has real, intrinsic value. When you exchange silver for bread, for instance, you have exchanged value for value. When you exchange currency for bread, you have gotten something for nothing.

2. The government can only continue its current power with the aid of currency, remove currency, and it will shrink. The government relies on the inflation of paper money to continue operating. Inflation decreases the value of debt, and transfers purchasing power from existing dollars to the government.

Without currency, the elite's aspirations of global government become unfeasible as well.

How?

1. We teach the form of money to the people. We can do this through workshops, posters, flyers, traditional advertisements, street corner activism. Whatever you're good at.

2. We approach businesses and attempt to convince them to accept silver/gold in payment. It would help to explain to business owners that precious metals will protect them against inflation. As money becomes more popular, we ask businesses to pay a portion of their employees wages with it.

3. We take all the cash we were going to spend on Rand, millions of dollars, and instead spend it on establishing our own system of gold and silver coinage. The system should, I think, be based on gram weights, for extra liquidity and ease. What about a 1 gram silver coin called the Ron, and a 1 gram gold coin called the Paul? Awesome. "Yes sir, that will be 7 Rons." We'd probably need .25 and .5 gram coins as well.

Whatever weights, purity we decide, we set up a non-profit to manage the system, and protect us from retaliation. The non-profit will allow any private mint to mint the coins, after they have been vetted for conformity to the design. The non-profit will ensure that each mint puts its mark, and year of mintage on the coins.

I suggest we put the words "Good for Barter", or something similar, on the coins to try and avoid the non-profit being accused of "counterfeiting".



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You are right. This needs to be done ASAP

What we will be doing.

When the dollar collapses and millions end up with 0 we will be bartering with whatever we have left including services for food, gas, etc. The DHS will need to go door to door collecting your gold and silver to shore up the Government finances (for your protection, of course)

I am assuming this is why the elite have adjusted the gold and silver market to loosen it up a bit and buy all they can with the newly printed money they have.

It will be the only money with value.

The Understanding will then commence.

Thank You...

...This should be discussed further, and of great importance to the DP community.

Keep your eye on the prize! - Ending legal tender laws in order for the Federal Reserve System to self-destruct is of the upmost importance.
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A for effort, but it is not going to work

I propose that we focus our efforts on bringing about the circulation of gold and silver coinage.

I did not take the time to read any of the comments below. But I'm certain that somewhere, someone brought up the concept that 'bad money chases out the good.'

I would never, every circulate gold or silver in the general public, and if I ever came into contact with it, I would hoard it.

On the other hand, I would happily exchange gold / silver with a known + established patriot. For anonymity, as well as the avoidance of taxes. However, trading with known patriots is unlikely to increase the circle. And if I did such a thing, I would do it secretly, so as not to attract attention.

The more I think of it, the more advantages I see to a secret society.

But again, A for effort. A+, in fact.

For that, I thank you.

He's the man.

"bad money chases out the good"

might be more accurately stated as good money is treasured and collected, while bad money is passed around like the hot potato no one want to hold.

That is why...

...Ending the legal tender laws is paramount for the success of Liberty.

If we do that, then trading anonymously, as to avoid the taxes, would not be an issue, and the trading would be more likely to increase the circle.

I see the concept of "bad money chases out the good" as something that should be of concern.

But, as "farmer" stated below, "understanding drives out bad money". And understanding CAN find a way to "drive out ignorance and apathy". And, as he stated, it is a "long shot", but what do we have to lose?

Thank you moneybag, farmer, and Michael.

This should be discussed more. For money is the lifeblood of society.

Keep your eye on the prize! - Ending legal tender laws in order for the Federal Reserve System to self-destruct is of the upmost importance.
What in the World are They Spraying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA
http://geoengineeringwatch.org

should and more shoulds

Understanding drives out bad money.

Understanding recognizes that a bunch of farmers and shopkeepers who have learned to aim can drive out tyrannical soldiers (April 19, 1775).

Understanding finds a way to drive out ignorance and apathy.

Understanding finds a way to tell Americans that we have to be a far cry better than the rest of the world if liberty is to be preserved.

Understanding finds value in independence and liberty above security and economic gain.

Is this stuff a long shot at this point? You bet it is. Does everything have to go just right for this to work? You bet it does. Is liberty worth the trouble of making it go just right? Isaac Davis thought it was.

Now, get up off the couch and let's do it.

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http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=35182.0

We Must Spread the Word

We must keep striving to wake up the sleeping masses.

It can be simple things, nothing confrontational, such as, suggestions, videos, websites.......... discussions over a cup of coffee.

Here's one:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/04/21

"John B. Wells was joined by author Les Leopold for a discussion on his latest book, How to Make a Million Dollars an Hour, which examines how hedge funds make money by taking it from the rest of us. He explained that hedge funds consist of massive amounts of money possessed by the "super, super rich" and used, essentially, as an instrument to create more wealth."

It may seem like class warfare initially...but discussions like this are a veritable "foot-in-the-door-sales-pitch".
We must be "salesman", or "salespeople", by our words AND deeds!
HELP THY NEIGHBOR...you'll be surprised at how much can be gained there.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

If I'm buying a guitar, why

If I'm buying a guitar, why would I pay in gold (going up) as opposed to FRNs(going down).

Also, I will wager that the DP community put together does not have more than a few million dollars worth of gold and silver. That is nowhere enough volume to make a dent in the economy.

Plus, who would pay the non-profit that determines the purity? Everytime I took payment in gold or silver would I have to go to them to get it checked?

If they are a non-profit then what will keep them from doing a sloppy job?

Who decides how they are chosen?

I personally think the community is better off making a strong relentless push for Rand in 2016. This is tilting at windmills.

And I Hope "That Guitar" Is...

...A Gibson, or a Martin, at the very least a quality instrument.

I purchased a 1938 Epiphone archtop coupla years ago. Local shop wanted $600...I bargained down to $425....Today vintage Epi's and Gibsons sell for
$1500..$2500...and upwards on ebay.

The "Epi" I own is worth $1500 easy.
Spend those FRNs for future investments as in "physical gold", which is not used as currency....metals will bounce back up and the latest downturn is ,I believe, another scam to facilitate further accumulation by the elite.

And yes! Let's "spend" our efforts to push Rand into the White House.

P.S. Remember some years ago, MSM loudly proclaiming how Americans had a negative bank account...no savings, just debt?
Now whatever "money" we've hoarded in savings accounts is being used by the banksters to conduct "their" nefarious transactions such as "hi-speed" stock market transactions, a proven theft from the public.
GOOGLE : Les Leopold
"One nefarious technique used by some hedge fund managers to multiply their money, he said, is high frequency trading...."
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/04/21

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Shifty, flacky

Stumbled across furtive:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/furtive

Was once coy, subtle, clever.

~Rand Paul - beast or burden?

Yes! Every little bit helps.

Congress will try to pass the buck. They will blame anything that moves and everything that doesn't.

In the end we don't know what will work. Like Ron Paul, we need to spread the message of liberty to help people free themselves from the deceits.

Free includes debt-free!

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Everything we do now, everything...

builds that snowball rolling downhill just a little bit bigger.

Moving away from fiat currency = build that snowball.

Moving away from gmo foods = build that snowball.

Moving away from the neocons = build that snowball.

Moving away from being less secure in our homes to a situation were we better arm ourselves against tyranny = build that snowball.

That snowball has been growing and growing and growing. The American people are behind it and not, in front of it. It will come crashing down. We all understand that. The question is when and where. I suggest it will first be against the lame street media whore propaganda and their illuminati backers and, then, against our tyrannical government. The mcinsanes, the grahams, the reids, the feinschteins, the bushes, and many more, will be first to feel the weight of the snowball's power and fury. May God have mercy on their souls because the American people, and their snowball from hell, will have very little compassion as it rolls over them and anyone connected to them.

What we should be doing is what we are doing. Growing, preparing, learning.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Nothing has intrinsic value

Period.

So water has no intrinsic

So water has no intrinsic value?

Try selling water to a man living on Lake Michigan.

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Free includes debt-free!

Don't confuse price and

Don't confuse price and value.

It has no value to the man on the beach.

Don't confuse value with utility.

Unless he can sell it for a price to a buyer. Once the buyer has got his fill, more has no value.

Free includes debt-free!

i can walk and chew gum at the same time

Rand Paul 2016

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Good idea, but the money

Good idea, but the money should be localized. The idea of localized paper fiat that some people are pushing is not money.

Why do you think the money

Why do you think the money should be localized, and what do you mean?

Rand's will be another educational campaign

Like Ron, he will say that he is "running to win." As the OP points out, it is unlikely to happen.

Nothing wrong with education.

As for bringing in Gold & Silver in to circulation, this is also unlikely to happen. Education, yes. Practical, no. The reason is Gresham's law. "Bad money drives out good."

The more you educate people, the less likely they are to use hard money in circulation. Instead, the gold and silver will be hoarded, and people will likely continue to use funny money for transactions.

Still, bump for education.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

The circulation of gold and

The circulation of gold and silver, is more likely than the election of a good man to the presidency.

Educating people on money includes the importance of spending gold and silver. If a market accepts silver, and the suppliers accept silver, then it will be impervious to the destruction of the dollar and will be able to continue supplying goods. Gold and silver mean price stability, and liquidity.

Teaching money doesn't just mean telling people "hey, the dollar is collapsing; gold is valuable, buy that!" That is what usually passes for money education, but there is so much more than that.

Yes, bad money drives out good when a populace is ignorant, but I think if we enlighten the people, good money can drive out bad.

People may learn to refuse anything but gold and silver.

The uneducated masses

Without trying to sound arrogant, I have to say that I have little faith in the majority of the uneducated masses that are my fellow citizens becoming educated about anything. They are and remain uneducated for a number of reasons, some of which are a poor educational system, a complicit press and entertainment industry, and plain old apathy.

Now if this had something to do with a TV show, a movie star, a sporting event, booze, weed, or anything else the masses get excited about (and I'm not down on any of those things but have prioritized them in their proper place as far as things that matter) then perhaps you could get a rise out of them. But learning about money... not so much.

We have to emphasize an angle

We have to emphasize an angle they care about, and Americans, like everyone else, care about their wealth. We teach them that whenever they accept currency, they are taking a loss. Once they realize that their savings are worthless, they will react with fury at the deception.

What savings?

Most of the uneducated masses don't care about their own wealth, they are too busy living from paycheck to paycheck, or government handout to government handout. The personal saving rate at one time in America was in the 6%-7% range, but in the 21st century has hovered more in the 3%-4% range. In fact I think that just this past January it came in at a low 2.4%. With traditional savings accounts and other saving vehicles paying nearly zero interest, their is no incentive to save, even if one was so inclined. Citizens, just like their government, are hooked on spend, spend, spend. What gets the masses excited is worrying about other people's wealth and the socialist mantra "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". I still don't think that many will take an interest in learning about the value of the dollar. In this scenario, I think it's going to take a SHTF moment(s) before the masses wake up.

I'd love to see your ideas happen and work, I just don't think they are very realistic.