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Against supporting Rand in 2016

This post isn't against Rand himself, but rather against supporting him in his quest for the presidency. Focusing on Rand misdirects our attention from ideas that could work, to a cause that is doomed to fail. If you feel that Rand is the best way to defeat the socialist, globalist elite, you have not properly assessed the situation.

No one can win without the support of the traditional media, which is entirely owned by them.

Their public school system has had access to the majority of young Americans since 1910.

The elite of both parties are made up of globalists.

They control the Federal Reserve system, with which they could crush the US economy in an instant.

They own the Supreme Court of the US, as evidenced by the Obamacare decision.

They control all of the behind the scenes, alphabet soup agencies. CIA NSA FBI etc.

They have majority stake in (through government funds), and alliances with, all of the major corporations.

They control the political process completely. Now with their electronic voting machines, it doesn't even matter how people vote.

The sum of all this is pretty conclusive: There is no victory through the system, it is just not possible. The system has been locked up for a long, long time. If Paul doesn't swear allegiance to the powers that be, he will never be president. End of story. Presidents are selected, not elected, and there will be no miracles. The last time a president stepped out of line, they shot him in broad daylight.

In the end, Rand's 2016 candidacy will be a black hole for money and enthusiasm, or if he is successful, a massive betrayal. There is, however, a way forward. This. Here is my alternative to the "Rand presidency fallacy", or RPF ;).

If this post freed you from the RPF, please come up with more ideas to subvert the elite and restore liberty. If you didn't suffer from RPF in the first place, please comment below with your ideas. If on the other hand, you still suffer from RPF, please detail below how Rands 2016 campaign will, against all probability, restore liberty.




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okay let's look at alternatives

Hillary

Chris oompa loompa Christie

Jeb Bush

Rooooobio slippers

Bobby No talent Jindhal

Rick Refrigerator Perry

No thanks

I have NO IDEA why this would be voted down!

Everything you said is true. It is impossible to win in the White House, mainly because the BILLIONAIRE BANKING ELITES control everything now, including the election process, especially now that over 1/2 of all the states have electronic voting machines that can easily be manipulated for the right outcome.

And, WHO CONTROLS the PRESIDENTIAL VOTE TABULATING MACHINE conveniently located OUTSIDE the USA in Spain? Why it's Balderton Capital, headquarters in London! And, who works inside this group of venture capitalism? TWO former EXECUTIVES at Goldman Sachs! What did Balderton Capital buy? They bought SCYTL, the presidential vote tabulating machine.

So, you see, we already live in a BANANA REPUBLIC. I suggest everyone go to Infowars today, and look at AJ's Operation Paul Revere contest and look at the one entered called "The After". It is riveting.

Besides all this, I wouldn't trust Rand Paul for anything, not after what he did during his dad's election. You just CANNOT trust him. Look at how he treated so many of us! It was despicable.

However, as far as your answer to all this, I can only say to accumulate 'some' gold or silver coins. It's impossible to have your entire net worth in them, though. What will those who have 401k's & IRA's do? What happened in Cyprus is very worrisome. Why? Because it tells me what exactly the Billionaire Elites are really thinking about..

I have NO IDEA why this would be voted down!

Everything you said is true. It is impossible to win in the White House, mainly because the BILLIONAIRE BANKING ELITES control everything now, including the election process, especially now that over 1/2 of all the states have electronic voting machines that can easily be manipulated for the right outcome.

And, WHO CONTROLS the PRESIDENTIAL VOTE TABULATING MACHINE conveniently located OUTSIDE the USA in Spain? Why it's Balderton Capital, headquarters in London! And, who works inside this group of venture capitalism? TWO former EXECUTIVES at Goldman Sachs! What did Balderton Capital buy? They bought SCYTL, the presidential vote tabulating machine.

So, you see, we already live in a BANANA REPUBLIC. I suggest everyone go to Infowars today, and look at AJ's Operation Paul Revere contest and look at the one entered called . It is riveting.

Besides all this, I wouldn't trust Rand Paul for anything, not after what he did during his dad's election. You just CANNOT trust him. Look at how he treated so many of us! It was despicable.

What's wrong with supporting

What's wrong with supporting Rand for the long haul just to play the current game against the MSM establishment bashing? There's more power in numbers. You can still change your mind come election time.

So why did you support Ron

So why did you support Ron Paul? I would think this post could apply to Ron as well. Even if we don't win (and by the way, I think Rand WILL WIN) Rand will carry the message. That message may not be pure enough for you, but as you imply in your post, issues surrounding the Federal Reserve and hard money are paramount, and Rand is solid on those. Without the Fed and endless fiat currency, none of the travesties perpetrated by the government are possible. That is why Rand feels comfortable paying lip service to a few things many of us question. End the Fed and bring down the whole house of cards.

"Working outside the system" means...

..."no one knows you exist." ;-) You cannot talk louder than the MSM. The only way to have a fighting chance is to work within the system, as has Rand (and as did Ron also to some extent), and force them to cover you. That's the only way the masses will hear anything you have to say.

Working within the system is not easy, of course, but it is the best chance we have - the only chance. I personally will not waste a second or a cent on any effort which is not in some way intended to help us win elections. That's the only way we ever really change anything.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Rand Paul is a symbol of our progress

You say the powers-that-be will never allow Rand to get elected because they control the media. I say by then, the media and the PtB will be irrelivant and unable to stop us if WE do our jobs.

No one thinks Rand Paul, or anyone else is going to be some cure-all. However our ability to succeed is a testiment to where the country truly is politically speaking.

If we can get a Rand Paul elected, it means we have also taken over the establishment party to such a degree that this is even possible. If we have done that, it is evidence that the people's belief in the authority and the "influence" the main stream media has are both evaporating.

You could look at the election of a libertarian like Rand Paul as a form of barometer to show you exactly where you are. If you can elect a Rand Paul, then the year after, you'll be able to elect a Ron Paul. And if you can elect a Ron Paul, than it doesn't matter that you did, because you've already won the battle by completely overrunning the power structures that used to oppose you. They don't win elections by luck. They win because it is the will of the masses and this shows that the narrative of a nation, as well as what is "normal" has changed.

It Could Be that, Or it Could Be...

...that you are way off base and that if Rand Paul is 'allowed' to be elected, that he has been vetted by and is in bed with the 'establishment' (somewhat behind the scenes).

That, then, would be a barometer also, just not the one you want it to be, but it would be exactly in-line with other known and assessed factors surrounding the globalist-collectivist lock that we are under.

We'll see...

I think Evelyn Rothchild told

I think Evelyn Rothchild told you to post this to make us think that he's powerful enough to stop us.

Uh, Yeah...

...that's it.

Such an assessment would have to come from the globalist-collectiist shadow government, because Ol' El-Tee isn't capable of assessing or puzzling such immensely difficult stuff out, all alone.

Priceless.

Here's the thing....

You've proposed a dead end by claiming that our current path is a dead end. I highly object.

You basically want us to stop being engaged in politics, and start a system of money that will probably go no where, and get shut down by the feds.

I really don't agree with your reasons either. We should do these things you suggest because success is impossible for us. That's very sad and untrue. The obstacles we face are the very obstacles that we seek to eliminate.

It is true that the system is

It is true that the system is locked up by the powers that long ago bought it; Rand Paul has no hope of winning the presidency unless he is with the elite.

We still have a chance, if we spread knowledge of money. When the people will not accept currency for their wares, or work, we win.

Don't get caught up in "big man" politics, what the liberty movement has to offer America is powerful, but it isn't Rand Paul, it's money.

Well, I wish you luck as I

Well, I wish you luck as I don't think you'll be able to turn around this movement anyway.

Ron had no chance of winning

But what he did do was expose the lying and manipulative media and fascist organization known as the GOP.

I hope Rand runs and exposes these crooks on national scale.

I hope he runs and wins

...and he can, he has a better shot than Ron ever had.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Shortsighted

You're absolutely right that the establishment owns the media, and that therefore Rand won't likely win the Republican nomination, but you're ignoring:

1) Increasingly, people are turning away from the MSM, and turning to the internet. Who knows what the landscape may look like in 2 or 3 years? Perhaps the MSM will have markedly less clout then, and Rand could rise.

2) You're placing WAY too much stock in two issues (immigration and right-to-life) that aren't the be all and end all of most voters' checklists.

3) Who CARES whether or not Rand actually wins? It's about changing the culture. That HAS to happen first. And, toward that end, Rand's campaign will be a GREAT investment. Look at all Ron accomplished in changing the culture with little help from the media.

Nobody owns nobody

Yahoo: "Senate drops assault weapon ban from gun reform bill. Political observers had suggested there wasn't support for such a measure." That tells you everything you need to know about owning something or someone.

It is the same thing about "control" - if you cannot control your wife, relatives, friends and neighbors, a rich man cannot do either.

I said: "The elite of both

I said: "The elite of both parties are made up of globalists." I never said that everyone in the congress is a globalist, and what's more, while globalists are usually anti-gun, we can't say that all globalists are.

If you don't believe that people can be controlled, then why are you here? Surely you have all the liberty in the world.

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It's not just Rand

I am not interested in supporting anyone for 2016 quite yet.

I liked this post yesterday which sets forth a similar idea as you posted.

http://www.dailypaul.com/278666/human-actions-to-stimulate-t...

I have been educating about silver for a while, I have also been educating about off grid living. I think helping people find their independence is just as important as supporting a candidate. I plan on continuing what I have been doing in those areas.

I was going to down vote at first, but you had a solution.

I like that you offer alternative ideas, thus, supporting a different system rather than the one already in place.

However, Rand could do a lot of "Liberty damage" if he were in the pilot's seat, imo. He could elect people like Judge Napa to sit on the Supreme Court. He could elect his own father to Treasury Secretary. He could stop foreign aid to Israel/Egypt/Bahrain.

I have another solution to add, though: let's get 6% of American crops to grow hemp so we can get the entire US off of oil (while, at the same time, bankrupting some of the Elites companies).

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Yeah, if he became president.

Yeah, if he became president. That is a big if, and they own the media, and the voting machines. In light of that, not really going to happen, is it?

Even in the case that he swears allegiance to the globalist cause, gets the presidency, and then turns on the elite, they'd just impeach him, or kill him. They'd probably implode the US at the same time to take everyone's eyes off it. It really is that simple.

The only thing that will change this country, is a change in the people. If they learn the form of money, and refuse to take currency for their wares, or work, the elite are done for. It really is that simple.

meet the new GOP

same as the old GOP.

As long as you view the establishment as all powerful

They will remain so.

The government, the media and all other institutions consists of people, and can be influenced and changed like everything else. Telling people to not support Rand because the system is "impossible to change anyway" is hardly even a reason at all. And it's definately not one when you tell us to focus on circulating gold coins instead, as if there would be some kind of antagonism between those two endeavours.

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Moneybag, I think you got it!

I agree with what you say.

If the campaign has the educational aspect of Paul senior, I could still see enjoying watching the crowds and sending a few bucks. I don't think Rand, though, is going to suggest legalizing heroin at a Christian debate like his dad did.

I also enjoyed going to the caucus thing for my district and voting all of those Ron Paul supporters in as delegates over some pretty established Republicans here in Mass. But then they tossed all of them out later anyways, so it was sort of frank introduction to democracy.

So in short, if we could make the campaign fun then I could participate. If we think we're expressing any real power, though, I think we'd be fools.

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Remember: Patriots should infiltrate both DNC & GOP

We must over take the 2-party duopoly. Only when we have liberty democrat running against a liberty republican, will liberty win.

Currently, that is how the Neocons play the game. Warhawk Democrat vs a Warhawk Republican, War wins.

Well two can play that game. We must play that came to win.

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That's the game the Neos played

Neoconservatives and Neoliberals, same corrupt UN Agendaists split between two parties.. dirty tricks all the way and still to this day.. I think it's time there was an actually difference between major parties.. the Democrats should continue their quest for global government a military welfare state, and repiublicans should fight them in a good fight..

I am not impressed with the game they play, so why would I want to play it.. I would rather take a party and fight those remaining in the biggest party.

Excellent post

Expect this one to be downvoted though. The Rand sycophants seem to vastly outnumber clearminded liberty advocates on this website. Sad to see the movement so quickly and easily subverted. What a tragedy for Ron Paul - his own son undoing his lifetime's work, causing many in the movement to focus on a man seeking political power and abandoning principles and the message of liberty in the process.

You don't think

Rand is "playing ball" at all? I mean, he endorsed his father in 2012 FIRST then endorsed Romney second, know what I mean?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

If this is suffering, I hope to suffer far more

I refused to join the GOP in 07, and today, that remains my biggest regret. It's not that joining the GOP was easy, it wasn't, nor was going to my first meeting, or being alone as a guest on the committee for nearly a year before another Ron paul Republican began showing up, and then another, and another.. and today, my committee is unballanced in that we have a Liberty committee, and I enjoy it, I enjoy our meetings, which are much like being at Daily Paul on person.. so this was not what I wanted to do, but it has paid off in my having a from row seat to the decline of the Neocons and rise of the republiCANs in the rEVOLution.

The CA GOP convention was great because while the tea party was rebuking the leadership of the GOP for getting a taste of what republiCANS went through in 07/08, the Liberty movement was alive and well, and happy.. just like Adam at CPAC.

It's vibrant and alive and exciting and we are now bringing the issues on DP to resolutions and inniatives for our states, and settling in, networking, and absolutly planning on campaigning for Rand in the GOP. I really don't know how many of us are really concerned about who the democrats run or anyone else.. it's very different from Ron, because with Ron paul, he didn't have the seats on the GOP, but Rand gained them, and is still gaining.

If you think you can do better than the patriots in the GOP working at state and county levela to restore the republic and liberty.. more power to you.. meanwhile.. this is the best political experience of my lifetime and I'm grateful to have a front row seat.

Uh, Yeah...

A 'restoration' of the Republic and of Liberty, via a Kalifornia GOP Apparatchik, a self-confessed gun-control advocate, a committed Acolyte of the 'Cult of Rand' and an admirer & advancer of Loony-Louie Farrakhan, the Anti-Amendment II race-hater & Collectivist.

Viva Liberty, ala 'The Granger'!!!!