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Our Republic is Doomed Unless We Unseat Half of Congress

AT:
http://itsacorpraljokeprivate.blogspot.com/2013/03/our-repub...

It's real simple. We all know what's going on. We all know what is inevitable: the relentless drive to an overtly lawless, corrupt authoritarian fascist state. If the vote on NDAA didn't tell you anything, nothing will. If you still think congressmen give a flying f$#k what you think, about anything, you can now be officially be classified as delusional.

It is not time to stage armed revolution until all peaceful means have been exhausted. We cannot honestly look ourselves in the mirror and say we tried, really tried, to wrest the body "closest to the people" back to the people. The Founders reasoned that re-election every two years was ample reason to be responsive to popular sentiment. And it is. But this big lever only works if someone reaches up and grabs it.

Going into Spring, it is high time to clearly state what must be done to regain our republic.

The math of governing is simple: it starts with a majority block of votes in the lower house. These lead to leadership positions which can stall or move votes, rules changes, and other procedural power which marks a governing coalition. But with primaries only a year away, how many of the congressmen who voted "yes" on NDAA are being challenged? It would be our own fault and eternal damnation if it were not every one of them.

Let this thread kick off the plans. Announce your candidacy here and hold your first money bomb. Float names for us to contact and implore to run.

We have to start now. They have the money but we have the numbers, and time to organize. Link your local NDAA nullification chapter to active candidacies. These are skeleton organizations, often bipartisan, across freedom loving states that are already in place.

If Rand wins in 2016 he will need a majority to govern. The greatest thing his filibuster accomplished is to show that the love of liberty has not died in the hearts of Americans, no matter how much we moan that it has. People who don't do politics were tuning in. Over a million Tweets were reported. Something was happening.

Make them start defending their votes immediately. Never let them rest. Never let them catch their breath. We must unseat fully one half of Congress in 2016.

NDAA Traitors (we can prosecute them later...)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/s230

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I Can See How Congress Is To Blame, But WE Voted Them In..

We need to do a better job when we go to vote...

Yea it would be a good start.

STOP VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WOULD BE A BETTER START!

Garan's picture

I think there is a lot more to it than that.

Some things that come to mind that would effect Congress voting behavior are:

  • Candidates may misrepresent themselves.
  • Vote tallies are not always accurate.
  • Political campaigns may only present a fraction of what the candidate stands for.
  • There is no way to really get to know a candidate well enough to trust them on every issue.
  • Washington may change people.
  • Congressmen may be privy to 'information' that scares and manipulates them.
  • Congressmen may be mislead and misinformed.
  • Congressmen may be isolated from who they represent (and obviously aren't speaking with enough people they represent).
  • Congressmen don't have time to review everything they are expected to vote on.
  • At least some of these Congressmen are actually really stupid and appear to be incapable of independent thought.
  • At times, Congressmen are roped into bad decisions; blind voting budgets for items too secret for Congressmen to know, for instance.
  • Politics
Cyril's picture

I can think of another bullet to add to your enumeration :

I can think of another bullet to add to your enumeration :

http://www.dailypaul.com/274232#comment-2954690

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Garan's picture

Maybe it's the number of people represented.

I read your cross comment.
It made me think...

A paycheck and benefits might become more important than making good decisions for a representative when there isn't much of a connection with the represented.

In a small town, a mayor might receive good benefits, but if they start doing wrong they are surrounded by small community that can directly affect him/her.

At the federal level, that kind of job pressure doesn't exist probably because given represented individual amounts to a much smaller slice of the voting pie.

The amount of people represented at each tier of government has ballooned immensely since the representative system was first created.

The ratio of representatives to the number of people represented is probably key, just like the study that found that schools above a certain size perform poorly in comparison to the smaller schools.

So, maybe what is needed is a smaller number of people that a senator is actually responsible to, like (I have to say) an additional level of federal representation at the state or district level that focuses on federal issues and has the ability to designate federal representatives based on the subject matter being voted upon. I guess I'm just adding that last part, because no one person can accurately represent the views of a large number of people.

An additional idea is to have a representative body made up of issue-voting representatives. That way people can vote for a human rights representative separate from a fiscal policy representative.

I guess I'm rambling now, but those are some ideas.

I understand your frustration,

Nationalism will get you nowhere, fast. Focus on city and county elections.

The National Government is too big already. Change your local governments with honest, virtuous, representatives, that are convinced that they can make it without suckling on the national tit.

That's true small government. Secession from the National Government will never happen until you get your community on board. Imho.

Good topic Sue

But you have the wrong year, that is the vote for fiscal year 2012.
Here is the vote for fiscal year 2013:

Congress:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h645
Senate:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s229

Solid article showing Rand Paul and Diane Feinstein of all people facing off against John McCain on the indefinite detentions on American soil:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/ndaa-indefinite-det...

Despite the objection, Feinstein still votes Aye....totally gutless, as did John McCain.

Please stop wasting time

focusing on congress! Do you all want to be fighting this battle for the next 20 years? Can we try to free just one small portion of the country... for starters?

http://www.dailypaul.com/278696/freedom-island-how-we-can-ge...

Those names

Really should be noted.

With so much disinfo floating around, black and white votes like this help clarify things.

You can only wonder why they

You can only wonder why they hate the American people so much.

Bush Said It Best

They hate us for our freedom. I didn't realize he meant US politicians.

That's totally correct

Because that's what the system has become, corrupt 'party line' politics, where a handful of individuals dictate policy, and the "go along to get along" mentality is rewarded.
All this brought about by public apathy and a misguided loyality and allegiance to the two major political parties.
Time to shine a spotlight on this corruption, and demand accountability.
"Hold their feet to the fire" (RP), good advice I'd say.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Party Lines?

There are no parties. There is one ruling class, they pretend to be "on the right" or "on the left" in order to fool us into thinking we've been given a voting choice.

In reality, it doesn't matter which side gets elected, they always obey the same agenda. Bigger government, more debt, less individual freedom. The "left" grows government by increasing the welfare state, the "right" does so by growing the military industrial complex. Both sides always vote together on things like the NDAA, patriot Act, CISPA, etc.

The only issues on which they pretend to disagree, are those which they can use to divide the public, but which have no real effect on their power (such as abortion, gay marriage, prayer in schools, etc).

Of course

And that is how they achieve total control, by promoting the illusion of left and right, of R's and D's, because they 'own' both. There is no left and right..only in the minds of the masses.
There-in lies the weakness of the ruling elite, the political system is the interface between the agenda of those in control and the population they seek to manipulate and dominate.
Politicians are pawns, but the 'system' is essential to achieve their ultimate objective..for at least now.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

If You Throw Them Out

Then the Fed will be sure to print enough money (and funnel it to the proper interests) in order to elect similarly-minded replacements. The power to steal the world's wealth is not subject to electoral whims.

Over the past year, I've come to realize that the constitutional Republic we all cherish no longer exists. I'm beginning to think it has been that way for the last 100 years. Your vote doesn't matter. Which party gets elected, doesn't matter. Your "representatives" do not represent your interests. They don't fear removal from office, because If you succeed in "throwing them out", they have cushy six-figure jobs waiting for them on the other side. Anyone not fooled by the 2-party lie is bribed into cooperation. Anyone who refuses the bribe is subject to non-stop character assassination from the state-run media machine. The system is perfect, so long as the general public continues to believe the lies. Trust me when I say that the public desperately clings to those lies for comfort (I certainly used to).

Bump

For exposure.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

This should be the main thing we are talking about -

...activism wise. So far I don't know of any 2014 Liberty candidates.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Dead right

Notice how many important and relevant posts, like this one, slip under the radar with only a handful of views.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Darrell Issa Too?

He gave off a good impression in the little I've seen of him. Oh well.

People must see this list. The hardest to do is to break

..as the Founders I believe said, peoples' natural affection for their own congressman. He might be nice. He might be good on some things. But he stabbed you in the back.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

The people have a list!

!

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Yep. Turn them into playing cards collect them trade them

..seriously we should have a spread-sheet of which of the NDAA traitors has a challenge and where we need to find one. BTW please post congressional candidacies against the traitors here, be they Democrat or Republican.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Garan's picture

..or 3rd party.

No party is best.

How does one restore the republic

if one does not have a political party?

Garan's picture

Well..

I don't know if it can actually be done.

Yet, ideally, a person could simply present themselves and their views.
They would be judged individually.

They wouldn't need to be grossly categorized into one of two bins (Democrat, Republican).

From what I've experienced, the first thing a person does when they enter a party is lie, when they agree to the platform.

I read the Republican platform in my state (all the other's in attendance didn't even bother).

The platform was a self-contradicting hodge-podge of incompatible and inconsistent ideals. It would be impossible to agree to the platform without misrepresenting yourself.

It all starts with a lie.

However, an individual can genuinely represent a consistent view without contorting to a political party, and they could be elected based on what they believe.

We don't need parties. However, there are other practical issues I am only vaguely aware of, such as campaign finance and various requirements.

Because the way the system is

We do need parties. I fought very hard for 33 years, and NEVER once considered joining the GOP or Democratic Party.

You say it all starts with a lie.. here's a lie.. that you can beat the system without a party. Ron Paul was RIGHT ON about the GOP.

The GOP is ours because the Neocons have NO new blood.. there are no new world order Republicans FIGHTING to "take the GOP". It is us, and it is exciting, because those of us who joined the GOP, are advancing, and working hard to make Ron Paul proud (and Rand Paul president). We will win, and America will be liberated from a corporate NWO and constitutinal government will be restored.

We're doing it. I just assumed my elected seat in january, with hundreds of more like me.. we are just getting started.. we have sat through the committees and BS, and withstood the dirty politics and we're wearing the4m down and OUT of the GOP.

I have no problem representing myself.. as far as the party platform.. that is their LIE, not mine.. mine is to right it though changing the by-laws and that is what we are doing.

Ron Paul couldn't do it alone and Rand Paul won't have to.. just stay where you are, keep ypour critical eye against us, take every opportunity to doubt us and share us your apathy.. because we KNOW, we are winning, with or without you.

As Ron Paul said, "Do what YOU want". We are.

Garan's picture

I totally agree and understand.

I am just speaking towards what is currently in place and what the current experience is in joining the GOP.
I am also highlighting the idea that when a person votes for an individual in a political party, they don't always know what they are getting, and the current (..or just recent) GOP platform may be indicative of the overall problem of misrepresentative candidates.

I guess my main point was just to remind the previous commentor to include 3rd parties when referring to political parties. I just think it is a good to habitually keep 3rd parties in the conversation.

However, I have an over-all concern is that taking over the GOP is not enough. That we should have an eye towards replacing the 2 party system. Otherwise, the GOP can be taken over once again, and liberty lovers may go by the wayside. Basically, make the system less prone to abuse.

B.T.W. I'm helping some with the GOP changes as well.
But, yeah. I've got to try and not nay-say too much. :)

I'm not opposed to third parties

and I understand what you are menaing: more voices and choices.. that's a good thing.. but when you get on a gop committee, and it's a liberty committee.. it's like DP is real life and I love it, and why I continue to encourage others to have what I have. :D