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Smudge Pot's secret friendship with SPLC

I'm coming out. For about 6 years I have attempted to cultivate a relationship with SPLC. I was partially successful but I guess I mostly failed.

I have a contact in SPLC but I won't share their name because this conversation could get them fired. Let's call this person Hank.

I got Hank on the Ernest Hancock show about 2 years ago and tried to press it, follow up on it, keep this communication going because this fight we have with SPLC (more appropriately the fight they have with us) makes absolutely no sense to me.

Founded by two progressive lawyers in the early 1970s, SPLC was initiated to secure the rights of prisoners in jail and there was a distinct, if not constitutional element, at least the recognition that even prisoners have rights. And they were totally against the instututionalized racism and classism that exists to this day in our court system.


Well the clock didn't stop there, they are about attacking the elements of society they perceive to be about inequity and oppression of the weak and this seems to have led to this characterization of us being white, intollerant, rich and hateful.

The hideously ironic thing to me is WE CAN IDENTIFY THIS CHARACTERIZATION. WE CALL THEM RINOS OR COUNTRY CLUB REPUBLICANS. AND YES, WE CAN ATTEST THAT THIS EXISTS ALONG WITH STORMFRONT AND THE KKK. By and large we agree that those types are a bunch of pathological stupenotic jerkwipes. And racism? Forget about it, our core ethics reject identity politics based on race and by the way, I'm a person of mixed race and so is Sophron who is like a God in chat, here's Noystrom the part Asian, we got Jews For Ron Paul, Muslims For Ron Paul, here's TMOT in his car ranting and raving, not too many people know one of our most eloquent political writers Will Griggs is black because frankly it really doesn't matter to us anyway, I mean come on seriously?

Somehow this whole thing is all wrong and I'm not trying to imply this is our fault. But some problems in life we fix no matter who's fault it is. Somebody has to stop this cycle of stupidity before it gets totally out of hand and this whole thing comes down to fear and mistrust. And I simply expect you to understand that fear and mistrust can get out of hand very quickly and to grievous effect. But I still have one card to play.

Brothers and sisters I believe I can still bring us to table based on my relationship with Hank.

I can get Hank to table, we can do radio interviews, call-ins, questions and answers and hopefully clear some air and build some basic trust. This is radical front-line peace making in the active form. Very advanced stuff.

Great Smudge so if you had this power all along why didn't you just make it happen already?

Excellent question. See I already have this contact and have begun this trust but it really doesn't mean JACK DOODLEY SQUAT if an old walrus like me makes peace with SPLC all that really matters is YOU YOUNG PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD. You are the future and I am a relic. If you can't make peace with these people nothing I do matters.

Big conclusion.

A long time ago was a great chief called Black Kettle. He was a highly respected leader but his occupation was known as "peace chief". Most people know of our great war chiefs like Red Cloud and Seattle but not many people know we had peace chiefs and their mission was mostly dispute resolution. And they tried and ostensibly failed to broker a peace between the white and red nations but they did not fail entirely, they BOUGHT TIME and what would have been an ABSOLUTE GENOCIDE was modified into a military defeat, and in fairness this was due in no small part by Eastern white people of conscience that withheld some of the stronger aspects of the war-hawks of the day.

In certain cases in Native America, some who were misguided and tried to lead the people were punished for failure. Poor Wo-Wo-Ka the guy that invented the Ghost Shirt concept was literally torn limb from limb, ripped to pieces because he had a vision that if everybody wore these Ghost Shirts we would be impervious to bullets. Boy was he wrong about that but he got a lot of people to believe him and they just got shredded. Decimated. It was freaking ugly. The people then chose to impart their gratitude to Wo-Wo-Ka as described. Very ugly. But when you lead and let the people down you pay a price.

BUT NOT SO WITH BLACK KETTLE. He's still revered because not matter what or when, he tried to preserve his people and in this he was partially successful and he did it through not-primarily-military-means. And while his warriors did some of the most brilliant rear-guard actions in military history while as many people escaped as could, he remained a peace chief all his life.


Well yeah uh, we're talking about a warrior culture and all males in this culture were warriors or something related to it. That's just part of the tool set like nowadays a man is supposed to know the difference between a Phillips head screwdriver and a standard. Like every kid these days is supposed to know how to use an X-box or iWhathaveyou. That was standard-issue.

But what does it mean to be a warrior for peace?

For as long as my people's people can remember we have attempted to do this very thing. Be warriors but try to create and maintain peace. And I make this call to you now:

If you hear this call to peace you know and you are ready already. You have always known. Take my hand. Take my hand if you want our people to live.

And together we will make the signs if peace and see if we can get the people who are talking ABOUT each other to talk TO each other. And I will introduce you to Hank. And then we shall see.

And then we shall see what we can buy for the price of peace.

And now I absolutely know that if we don't do this,

If we don't try this,

nobody else will. Because so far as far as I can tell nobody has the balls to do this.


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Grigg's herritage

Wiki says he is mexican and irish. You're the first I have heard call him black.

I for some reason thought he was a bit American Indian.

Doesn't matter either way.

One of the best writers for liberty out there.

Basically, keep your

Basically, keep your "enemies" closer. People need to remember liberty friendly places are echo chambers. Get out there and post at places that are typically unkind to liberty. Daily Kos, Red State, Huff Post, etc. Show up at GOP and democrat party meetings/events/etc. If you have to tread lightly to stay, then tread lightly. Always remain kind and civil. You attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Blessings to you

in your efforts.

When bad things go down, it's better to have open talk than not.

But, despite their honorable beginnings, I hear the spirit of murder in their language. Jesus said calling a man a "fool" is the same as murder in the heart. The way I interpret that is that name-calling is about stealing someone's influence and murder is about eliminating a person's influence.

The SPLC has this spirit of tyranny about them. They want their influence to dominate and will stoop to dishonorable means to take it away from others. I'm not saying an individual from the SPLC is murderous at this time, but they cultivate that seed of censoring not by eliminating the information, but by eliminating their opponent's influence.

Have they renounced the kind of rhetoric that causes things like Waco to go unpunished? No. They are culpable in murders that will happen because of the way people who reject their influence are demonized. If there is to be political genocide in the U.S., the trajectory of what made it possible will intersect what they are doing today.

Your analogies to making peace like the peace makers among the Native Americans is apt. It shows you are aware that you are dealing with people who are about eliminating the influence of their opposition. It is better that the SPLC have our faces, our voices, in their heads so when they do the dangerous things that turns us into the "them". Creating an "us vs. them" is, of course, the first stage of orchestrating hatred and anything that can be done to slow down that process would be good.

Defend Liberty!

Tread lightly Sir!

I still have not seen the organization that announces true intent. It is always a laudable purpose that is announced. The questions really is how do they intend to go about addressing their stated purpose. I would like to know the answer to that regarding activity of SPLC in early 70’s, if someone knows…

Foundations and Non Profits have been the most effective tool of tyranny for the last 100 years. Standard Oil couldn’t be broken up until ole John D had all of his wealth moved and hidden in foundations. These same foundations have been the funding mechanism of every attack on liberty, constitutional government, developing the sick care industry, developing education public & private into indoctrination of one world post democratic government, and last most surely not least – the Eugenics of the early 20th century. They never sate anything but a laudable goal. No foundation or non-profit should be trusted until you validate their funding.

Sorry for the rant Smudge

Be careful Smudge Pot – whatever was, this is no longer a misguided liberal organization. The evidence that surfaced in the Jessie Trentadue cases showed the SPLC to be running CI’s and completely aware of OKC. No theory here just fact easily verifiable at www kennethtrentadueDOTcom
– be careful.


No Doubt that one of the most eloquent and prolific writers is Will Grigg. Please purchase one of his books to support this highly talented individual! His book on UN is incredible.

Liberty = Responsibility

I am ready for peace

Let's do this.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

One Can't Make Peace With the Devil

I'd like to see peace as well. But a snake is always going to be a snake.

You are motivated by goodness and goodwill. Their's is not. We just have to make sure that, in the process of fighting evil, we don't become evil ourselves.

Really? I was about ready to give up hope.

For maybe the first time I doubted myself and my position. I was like if nobody, not one person in this whole movement responds I will conclude that this is a bad idea. And it's not like I've ever minded taking a lone position in the past but in this case I'd begun to question if I am being naive or even perhaps ego driven. Blind to some truth everybody else sees but me.

But I offered you my hand and won't pull it back on you. I'm not sure we can do any harm that hasn't been done already. So what you need to do is PM me and first we start talking. We build trust in each other then we start talking to Hank and build more trust if we can.

My only other idea from there is some kind of interview where we let some questions and answers go back and forth. If we can do that without allowing things to degenerate into a hate fest we'll have accomplished something. If we find some things in common moving forward I think that's our bingo.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

There will be people

you may be able to influence by making sure they understand how human you are. There was a scene in Star Trek: The Next Generation where Riker had just shown surprise that Klingons laughed. A Klingon told Riker, "we love our children. We have parents. They look like us. We look like them." It was such simple language, but it really cut to the core of Riker's lack of having thought of all the ways his enemies are like him. Put your face out there for the ones who are capable of thinking this way.

But also learn to recognize a psychopath and don't waste your time on those people. You're in the middle of a job that's every bit about making sure there are people on their side who empathize with us on the most basic of human levels even if ideological empathizing is off the table. The Hail Mary Pass strategy to delay the worst is to slow down the "us vs. them" process and the techniques of appealing to humanity to accomplish that will be wasted on psychopaths. So, learn to recognize them and be careful because they spend their lives learning not to be recognized.

Defend Liberty!

"Founded by two progressive

"Founded by two progressive lawyers in the early 1970s"
Perhaps that is the problem. I have found progressive to not mean progress, but to mean progressively more and more shitty government.

Mitakuye Oyasin

Yes, even the SPLC, and the KKK, and the NRA, and the AARP, and PETA, and yes, even the ( ** blanch ** shudder ** moan ** ) GOP.

If you can even remotely stomach any of them, and if you have contacts therein, I encourage all to infiltrate.

As a former GI myself, I consider there to be a very important distinctions between Traitors and Infiltrators beyond the extra syllables.

Take the fight wherever you win best, and good luck to us all.

Vive le r3VO_]ution!

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They make LISTS, of course

They make LISTS, of course, of what they consider anti-government "patriot groups", "conspiracy theorists", anti-NWO groups, etc, that they must watch...

This list is impressive on its own (I'll refrain from linking their web from here):

Active ‘Patriot’ Groups in the United States in 2011

Check it out, under the "reports" section of their web.

Thus, I learned the following are included :

Freedom Force International (Edward G. Griffin)

Oath Keepers

The Constitution Party

Etc, etc.

Indeed, all dangerous people !

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Have pity for the SPLC. You may even want to pray for them.

Well, turns out the folks at the SPLC have much to worry about. They have a lethal issue, inside themselves.

Evidence is they never watched or understood men like Yuri Bezmenov.


And even worse for them : they certainly NEVER WILL, either.

(Granted, though : you need a brain and be literate enough to be able to read things that are beyond doctrines and propaganda you're otherwise served "free of charge" by your masters... I know! Tough.)

So, now, you can have pity for them, because, with or without a fight against "dangerous libertarians" like us - here's the ugly truth for them :

They'll be the ones who WILL CRY, SCREAM, AND BEG the loudest TO BE SPARED by their own, once upon a time, "brothers".


As I understood it, that's never "pretty".


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Are a bunch of dicks.

They push a "progressive" agenda but are regressive IMO. I'm glad someone made this post.

I'd rather have a target on my back then lay down in the dirt to let their views take over.

Those people are anti american. To be honest they scare the crap out of me with the power they weild.

Maybe at some point in time they were pro-American and pro civil rights, but not any more.

They are almost as ugly as white supremacists.

Real Americans can stand up to these hate groups.

The SPLC is daft (not adept) at twisting words around.

SPLC and TNR are our Mortal Enemies. They are out to kill us.

Here is the big danger. The New Republic Mag & The Southern Poverty Law Center, or Political Correctness Central who love to redefine the meaning of words to fit their liberal agenda... have targeted libertarians. Here how its going to go down: They are defining the following as...

1) Against Israeli govt policies? = that is antisemitism

2) Against special government treatment for "people of color" or "ethnic minorities"? = that is racist bigotry

3) Against special government treatment for women? = that is sexist bigotry

4) Against paying a min.wage or 'living wage' to the poor? = that is a Selfish egotist

5) Against 'reasonable' government gun control laws? = that is a domestic terrorist

6) Against Federal Govt getting bigger (or for States rights)? = that is a neo confederate

So soon the liberal meme will be this, are you a libertarian? Then you are a neo-confederate, racist, sexist, heartless, anti-semetic, domestic terrorist. And as a self admitted domestic terrorist (you identified yourself as a libertarian) you should be sent to 'reeducation fEMA camps' for "national security reasons".

Most of all, when the PC police are out in force, there is no discussion, you're guilty as charged. They have redefined what racism is (1980s), redefined what sexism is (1980's), redefined what is a neoconfederate is (2000), and redefined what a domestic terrorist is (a libertarian) 2013.

Take this redefining of terms very seriously. I for one read the Ron Paul investment newsletters and thanks to them, it help me avoid the PC brainwashing and redefining of terms. Today the terms bigot and racist are nearly interchangeable without anyone being able to tell you the difference. Truly racist things come out of the mouths of liberals and racist segregating organisations get a pass as if its somehow not racist. Its all backwards and its all designed by the PC police to remove words and definitions from those that don't share their view point.

Political Correctness is obscene for the very reasons 1-6 above.


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never seen such wrong people as the SPLC.

Smudge may have been tongue in cheek but look them up.

They lump in constitutionalists (and white people, especially christian) with hate groups. I happen to be 25%, american indian - 25%, dutch - 25%, hawaiian - 25%, spainiard 25%. Hispanic/Hawaiian on one side and Dutch/Soiux on the other. And I think the SPLC is a semi-racist org itself. My last name may be Irish but I was adopted. If this org wants to suggest otherwise they can pull my birth certificate.

I know I will probably get downvoted for this, but they even list Alex Jones on their hitlist. I like maybe 10% of his stuff (that's why I'll get downvoted) but he's not a threat, not a hate group, and not necessarily a bad dude.

They also list non violent, NAP people on the website. People who want no harm. They do also list some nasty people and lump them in the same pile.

While the premise of the SPLC is decent, they follow the wrong ideals and have way too much clout. In other words, go to their website and realize what they are all about. Come to your own conclusions. Please look into this org. I love all colors and creeds. You probably do too. These people demonize some people who deserve none of the such. They also demonize some people who deserve it.

I wonder if we can help sway their minds???

I have friends of all colors and those who know of this org do not like it. Please take an hour or so to peruse their website. My indian, native american, filipino, chinese, black, brown, red, white, constitution loving and christian people do not like this site. All of the people they claim to support. It's not only the bible thumpers. Or constitutionalists. All people of all colors are awarded the same rights. That's what makes my country amazing.

Edit: F the splc

I have to agree with the AnCap below...

Then you are brave

and they are logically inconsistent.

Can we fix this?

I don't know but i know how to try. And I need your help to do this.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

All that needs to be done

Is point people to their website and the "Pro(Anti)-American" article on the website.

Leave some breadcrumbs. That article has been around for about 6 months.

Immigrants came to this country because they love the Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and is Pro-American. There may be a few bad seeds, but all the people I've met are pro-american. And most who gain citizen status know more about the Constitution than most other citizens. I helped a guy at work about 6 years ago. It's really difficult to become a citizen and you have to memorize things that aren't taught in grade school any more.

Spread it far and wide. Every color. Especially to non white immigrants. My only two hispanic neighbors got freaked out by that article. These people (SPLC) advise our govt. I wish they would protect our CIVIL rights like their mission statement.

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Do you know if they get paid

Do you know if they get paid by the government for their training and other services?

Smudge, for real? Like Reals, Real??

I always figured it'd be funny if one of us 'infiltrated' them by working FOR them, within their structure. LOL

SPLC is not a 'private' org. They're as 'private' NGO as Blackwater is 'not' CIA.

SPLC is the de facto continuation of FBI's COINTELPRO: they ARE the FBI's COINTELPRO. Their operation just went 'private.'

What evidence do I have? Who are their main customers? Their core activity consists of compiling data of political dissidents for them to pass around 'law enforcement' circles throughout the country. They're the RAND to the CIA. They're who creates the roster of BOLO (Be On Look Out) list for FBI and DHS to harass.

Don't know, why one would bother making amends with a bunch of Stasi wannabes. To me, they're nothing more than modern day Josef Goebbels.

If you did cultivate some cordiality behind the scenes, kudos. You're a much better and patient person than I could ever be.

Whenever I see the term "SPLC" in RSS headlines, or whenever someone mentions them, all I can think is that they're pedophile apologists (Morris Dees the founder of SPLC's divorce court records clearly states that he sexually molested his daughter or stepdaughter; you can google it, it's still around somewhere), rapists/murder enablers for the Ruling Class (ever see them criticize ANY POTUS admin in power?). Nothing more.

But did enjoy Ernie destroying Marky Mark and the REAL Racist Bunch:


Plus, what part of their $200 MILLION headquarters says "poverty" as per their Southern POVERTY Law Center namesake??

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Diplomacy at its best Smudge.

Words are sacred and the breath that gives life to word come from the creator. We should choose our words wisely and use them for peace.

It's sad is what it is.

Yet another noble organization perverted into a political weapon.

It is sad but we can have an influence.

Just the mere fact they won't put Ernie or me on the list "because we want to be" indicates a certain space of recognition. "We're not those guys".

But this is my punt. I tried to do this through diplomatic channels and instead of more understanding there is more mistrust and fear.

The one thing I have is this channel with Hank and I almost feel like this is the last chance and I have nothing to lose but my reputation and....

when you are a Smudge Pot you really don't have much of a rep to lose. I am a Smudge Pot and you know you get dirty just by touching me.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Tell them you want to join in

Tell them you want to join in on their scam an want to teach everybody how to use it.

The Glorification of the Artificial Future by the Agenda 21 program is the key to their scam. If we can teach everyone how the scam works, we can all use the scam to scam each other and everyone can make money on it.

We can lobby the republicans to pass bills so we can scam the democrats out of the money they scammed us out of, using the Delphi Technique on them. Everybody can make money on the scam.




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Southern Poverty Law Center

These guys

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