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Billy Corgan: Total Paradigm Shift, Something Greater Than Fear

Originally posted on Thu, 03/21/2013 - 21:29

Smashing Pumpkins founder and lead singer Billy Corgan joined Alex Jones once again in studio for a powerful interview. In this excerpt, Corgan analyzes the momentum of the infowar, while hinting at an even greater awakening hindered only by population's refusal to confront the truth and embrace a shift into a totally new paradigm.


Extended interview below:

Billy Corgan: Total Paradigm Shift


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What I think Billy is saying

The fear and propaganda being infused into the populace becomes the very same shield that keeps our message from getting through. Facts and arguments bounce right off them because their fear tells them that things are otherwise and it's too dangerous to consider or act contrary to what they've been told. Billy wants to be able to get beyond those shields and reach those people and wants alex to be able to do so too, to a much greater degree.

Here's what I see.

I believe Billy, and many others for quite some time, have felt that although Alex has done an amazing job at waking people up through various means, he's concerned that Alex may be relying too heavily on the very same tactic being used against us. Namely fear. Of course his motives for using it are different and are for a far better purpose still Billy is trying to suggest a better way, a higher way to reach the same goals and more people without just endlessly shouting "THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE"! Sure that has it's place, and for some that's the only thing that will wake them up. A loud, fact strewn, outright verbal pummeling of truth to break those shields of fear holding people back from hearing us. The ptb say "don't go outside it's too dangerous". Alex says "the house burning down you're going to die if you don't get out"! He breaks those shields of fear with an even bigger fear. This has proven effective and has gotten a lot of people out of the house, still the majority of the people remain inside or scoff at his theatrics.

As hard as Alex tries, or anyone for that matter, to attempt to crack those shields with loud unrelenting assaults of truth it will never be enough to crack all those shields. It won't wake up the majority of the people still sleeping. It is not enough to take this to the next level. There's just too many shields, and they've become too hardened to crack.

Fighting fear with fear is not the most effective way and often times creates a new kind of shield. One that can potentially harbor new and just as dangerous and irrational fears that can mislead, cloud vision and distort judgement as we unfortunately see some in the liberty community have fallen victim to. I believe this is what Billy Corgan was trying to warn AJ against, though in a much more eloquent and tactful way than bluntly saying "Quit scaring people Alex! Reach them spiritually. Help them understand. "

During this whole interview Alex, to his credit, seemed to sincerely try to understand and follow what Billy was trying to get at but I don't think it ever really clicked in Alex's mind. Perhaps Billy should have been more blunt about it. It seemed every time Billy would use an example of something bad going on, to illustrate a point, Alex would jump on the example to elaborate and inform the people in more detail the extent of evil the ptb were perpetrating, completely missing the point Billy was trying to make, further fanning the flames of fear. Billy repeatedly had to bring Alex back to point after every tangent. The tangents just seemed almost reflexive of Alex. He couldnt quite control it. Alex would eventually catch himself later on and immediately defer back to Billy whenever this happened. Speaking of tangents back to point. What Billy was saying.

Billy was trying to get Alex to consider a different approach to these issues than he normally uses and to seek out other's perspective both spiritual and historical in order to to combat these timeless evils and reach a wider audience.

Perhaps Alex did understand what Billy was getting at but didn't quite know how to go about it. He asked him several times,"ok, what do I do then? I'll give you the time to speak, please tell me". To be honest I don't think Billy ever gave him that answer but he did point him in the right direction.

What I felt his answer was:
You can't break all these shields of fear with fear. You have to go through them, and convince the people to drop the shields of their own accord. The only way to do that is spiritually. Or in other words you must go to where they are spiritually, mentally, emotionally. Physically to if you can too. You must find out what makes them afraid and why it makes them afraid. Understand them. Dont just tell them they are wrong. No one likes to be told they're wrong or that their fears and actions are silly, unfounded or even dangerous. They want to be told how to overcome their fears and problems. They want to know how you or your ideas can help them. They want to be protected from these things and dont yet see or understand how our solutions do that. They don't want to be told they're fears don't exist or are made up by others trying to manipulate them. They feel they can't run the risk of ignoring them or acting contrary to them. It's to dangerous for them. So their fear boxes them in. That is the shield. That is our obstacle. How do you get past it? Well, here's one way:

There was a thread about this a while back. I like returning to it every now and then. It's great food for thought. It rings very true and has actually helped me get through to a lot of people. It diffuses tensions and allows people to open up to each other and really communicate. Here's the thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/241117/converting-issue-voters-to-ron-paul-the-feel-felt-found-principle

First you must sympathize, empathize and relate to their fear. Understand why they do and act the way they do because of it and
let them know you understand them and their reasons for doing things the way they do. This may sound crazy or counter intuitive but this is the genius of it. By doing this you pass through their shield. They now know that you understand them and that you are on their side and are concerned with their well being. Before you were an enemy barking at them, now you are a friend looking out for them. You are now on the inside with them. What you say won't bounce off their shield anymore because it is no longer there.

This next part is the key. Once you've both reached this understanding let them in on the secret. Tell them how you were once the same way. That you too once feared these same things, but not anymore. Tell them what you have discovered. Tell them what changed your mind. Show them how your fears were dispelled and how theirs can be too. Reassure them that you are saying these things because you have their back, you are their friend, not their enemy and how together you are stronger.

This is how you reach someone spiritually. Not with facts or arguments or who's right and who's wrong. It's about understanding people. Like in the movie Avatar when they say "I see you", they're not saying I physically see you with their eyes, they're saying I see YOU. We need to SEE those around us and they need to SEE us.

Billy had an example of this. Press secretary Gibbs. If you're like me even his name gets the blood boiling and I can just go off on him. Just the mention of his name set Alex off in the interview. Billy stopped him and tried discouraged that urge to vilify, whether he deserved it or not. He made the point that Gibbs was a
human being. With a family. Who worked to get where he was. That he was a product of and lives in the very system that we are and are up against. Not to excuse his actions and behavior but in order to SEE him. He has his reasons and his fears for why he does the things he does. He's not a monster. He's a flawed and tragic human being. He's one of the many out their caught up in and manipulated by the system even perpetuating perpetuating it, essentially out of fear. Fear that if they don't do what they're "supposed" to it will jeopardize their survival, their family, their job, their health, social standing, well their lifestyle and well being. Well, we've all been there and are there. That fear is very real and we all give in to it to varying degrees. But we have, and are in the process of overcoming these fears. We find strength in the truth and in each other. We find strength in our creator, ourselves or some form of higher power. In order to reach out to others and change them we must first be on "their team" so to speak. They are perhaps more timid than ourselves, else they would have changed on their own by now. We must reach out to them, empathize, relate, strengthen, share what we have found and help them do likewise.

Alex has to do what the two

Alex has to do what the two kids in the movie "Hunger Games" did. I don't know if that makes it clear or not.

We all have to do that.

well said,

I like to think of it as how big a spoon full of truth are they ready for. A teaspoon of truth is easier to swallow than a shovel. Growing in this spreading of information its helpful to gauge the level of truth the individual is ready for. Great insight, thanks.

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Regarding a "spiritual" OUT OF THE BOX thought

Alex could also bring on his show a few religious patriots---a Protestant Minister one time, a Protestant regular patriot another time, a Catholic patriotic priest or lay person one time, a devout Catholic regular person (they had a Catholics for Ron Paul website), and a Rabbi patriot, too, at another time.

Bringing a combination of regular & articulate people (common Joe's) at one time, then, bringing the ministers, priests, rabbis, and even a muslim imam on at another time (interview). Granted, I know Alex doesn't like the Catholic Church, but we ARE staunch Catholics, and we know some of the things he's said are not true at all, and it would give him a chance to really discuss some things, as an example!! :)

Well, these are just ideas for a "PATRIOTIC HOUR".

Just food for thought-----to bring a spiritually uplifting part to the program!

THINKING OUT OF THE BOX...just one idea

I enjoyed this interview VERY MUCH with A.J. who really listened to what he was saying wholeheartedly. I believe he meant that Alex needs to think out of the box---by perhaps bringing different 'common Joe' people on his show with varied backgrounds.

How about this idea? Alex does a 1/2 hour to 1 hour interview once/week with someone not so famous---maybe a high calibre engineer from 911 truth.org, or other citizens that work in different areas.

In other words, just normal people like me & you--but ideally, very articulate people who can add to the program with their own ideas on what we can do. Many retirees who have no jeopardy of losing a "career" would be ideal candidates certainly and would give the younger people a look UP to them and give them a better feeling that the Baby Boomers really do care. He could have them send in private video clips, so that he would have an idea how articulate they are.

It could be called a "Shoot the Breeze" hour, or something else clever. Interviewing NON-famous people would make the RICH ELITES very, very nervous, because then, all of a sudden, the Alex Jones' show would become more mainstream & not crack-pottish, as the Media paints it.

This is possible, very possible.

One more thought~~~to bring on those, too, that do have a wealth of historic information would be like TOM WOODS, or one of his more vibrant & articulate teachers!

smart guy

I haven't watched the extended one yet, but Billy makes a good point about playing on the level of fear. That's what the MSM does, and Alex falls right into doing it as well, overblowing stuff and even twisting stuff to the point of trying get you scared of what's going on. Alex does give out some good info and just gets frustrated when dealing with covering all the horrible stuff every day, so I don't blame him. Alex's rationale is that the truth is scary. But that tends to breed more negativity, as shown by the people on this very forum fueled by anger and fear.

I felt that when Corgan referenced bringing on people who have

knowledge of our history, we do have that person. Scott Horton brings people on all the time that have a greater perspective of history.

http://scotthorton.org/ - spread it around!

Love thy enemy.


A very interesting discussion.

I myself struggle with non violence vs. violent revolution. Billy mentions Gandhi and Dr. King. Did they really achieve anything? On the other hand, if we took up arms, that would be just the excuse they need to justify martial law.

If it were to be a violent revolution, the gov would have to be seen as the aggressor by the majority of people. The US gov makes painstaking efforts to try and paint their adversaries as the aggressors such as this decade long drumbeat to war with Iran.

I don't have the answers but this is the certainly the question and Billy has brought it to the forefront.

Pumpkins Rock!

Billy is talking to the Liberty Community at Large

Look, it takes all kinds of messengers. The fact that Alex has woken TONS of people up should not be dismissed. His way of reaching people works for a certain segment of the population. Ron Paul's method reaches another segment. Rand Paul reaches further in to another type of populace.

Billy is smart here because he is suggesting to Alex to figure out how to reach those neutral sleeping people in the middle. Suggesting there may be no way to reach them unless the message is different. It may be that Alex isn't the one to reach them although he can try. We all should try.

The reason I think Billy speaks to the Liberty Community at large is that we have to understand and have patience with tempered arguments designed to reach those who can not process the full evils that we are facing.

We Need ALL TYPES of messengers to reach the the largest amount of American Citizens.

No one can do everything, but everyone can do something

I completely agree. Billy expressed the idea very generally. It's possible Alex is one who himself is in need of hearing it. It's one thing to come to these realizations and face them, but it is also another to rise above it. Alex said it would be like him needing to climb another mountain, where I think it's just about learning to fly over the mountain and have that "above all" perspective of the world. You don't even need to be of any particular belief or faith. It's a matter of perspective. I think having people like Billy suggests on would be great to express that 'level' of seeing to as many people as possible. Perhaps instead of Alex himself, he could hire another guest anchor to bring in these types of guests. Alex doesn't need to do everything, but he can hire someone to do something.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

You must learn to see the world anew.

“You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it. You must learn to see the world anew.” - Albert Einstein

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If AJ is able to grow into more vaster dimensions of existence he will be huge awakening. Now he is big awakening. With his style of expression he can awaken only a certain type of people.

AJ listen to Billy Gorgan.

Awakening to reality has so many different dimensions and more dimensions a person is able to open oneself to the better.

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--


I noticed that too!

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Trumps fear and facts

The spiritual agrument.

The moral argument.

Crosses party lines. Crosses racial lines. Brings people together.

The power of love.

He's the man.

This is really great, thank

This is really great, thank you.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Where does it leave off from the first interview...

the times don't match up.

Love thy enemy.

i love intelligent and thoughtful people.

He at least has Alex taking a deeper look at his approach to delivering his messages.


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C'mon, everyone

Cross that rainbow bridge with Billy.

here's rest of that interview:

on tonight's InfoWars Nightly News, courtesy of ConspiracyScope @ YT:


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This interview would have

This interview would have been 10 times better if Alex just let Billy do all the talking ...

I find it hard to believe Alex picked up on what Billy was talking about because Alex kept making the same ol Alex type comments. Alex kept interjecting with similar analogies to what Billy was using but Billy was using them to make a larger point. Billy's remark to the effect of shouting at a mountain was so on target. I reckon I can at least give Alex credit for doing less talking.


I noticed that too with Alex, how he kept going "oh right right, that's what I was getting at. It's like XYZ" While BC would just be like "...yeah anyway the point I'm trying to make is..."

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AJ seems to be learning to zip it while his guests are talking.

Good stuff.

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Need more like this

I like where Billy is going with it.

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I heard this live today.

I heard this live today. Billy Corgan is amazing and understands the situation. This is why I especially like the AJ Show, for the great guests he has on. I especially liked Rosa Kory, Behind the Green Mask author, yesterday.