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Why we may be closer to Armageddon than "Experts" will admit

NOTE: I am not going to provide links in this OP/EP. All of this information is freely available via a search engine. I will, however, clearly identify facts vs. conjecture. I believe the United States is closer to thermonuclear war that at any time in our history, infinitely closer than the Cuban Missile Crisis. Here is why.

The IMF showdown with the Banks in Cyprus is actually a financial attack on the Russian elites, many of whom are top level military or former KGB. Putin has attacked the IMF's policies in this matter.

The draconian sanctions on Iran and North Korea are attacks on countries that are either clients or suppliers to China and Russia. It is not lost lost on the leaders of North Korea and Iran that "playing ball" with the West and the UN gets you killed, while Israel gets a pass on pretty much everything. This coupled with the embrace of "preemptive war" by Israel and the US provides the perfect excuse for a "Pearl Harbor" attack on the US and Israel.

China and Russia are far better positioned to survive a thermonuclear exchange. China, in particular has been using the dollar to "build infrastructure), which likely includes many underground installations stockpiled with food and water.

North Korea's rapid advances in "mini-nukes" could very well be the due to the help or Chinese or Russian physicists.

Neither North Korea nor Iran needs accurate ICBMs to do major damage to US coastal cities. Both have large fleets of "midget submarines," which could easily carry a nuclear device. Why Iran midget subs could easily reach Israel's coastal cities, North Korean midget submarines could not carry enough fuel, unless some of them have nuclear power plants. This is conjecture; however, again with Russian or Chinese help, this is possible.

While physical damage from such a nuclear detonation might not be extensive, radioactive fallout could make takes permanently uninhabitable.

Presently five US supercarriers are docked at Naval Station, Norfolk. One, the USS Enterprise is undergoing decommissioning. However, the four others make up 40% of the US supercarrier fleet and all five ships probably have full or at least partial complements of carrier-qualified sailors to assist in their servicing.

Russia has already promised thermonuclear retaliation if Iran is attacked. Any massive retaliation against North Korea would cause "collateral damage" in China, giving the Chinese an excuse to use thermonuclear weapons against the US. The US would then be faced with facing off against Russia AND China with nearly half of her supercarriers destroyed, roughly half of her carrier-qualified sailors dead or dying, several of her major coastal cities uninhabitable, her "ally," Israel virtually destroyed and her European allies in financial collapse or accepting the damage or, worse, surrender.

This could well be the reason the leaders of North Korea and Iran are presently behaving so confidently and with such bellicosity. By the way, these midget submarines are nearly impossible to detect using conventional anti-submarine warfare.

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When I login to comment, if it's in reply to a comment, it shouldn't be auto-new posted like this comment was before its edit. See my other reply to Bob-45. Please fix this, DailyPaul.


Bob-45: "China and Russia are far better positioned to survive a thermonuclear exchange."


If there is, ever, M.A.D. ICBM exchanges between the U.S. vs. Russia, EVERYONE LOSES EQUALLY. Almost the same goes for U.S. vs. China.

Not everyone dies, but EVERYONE loses. There is no "winner," and NO country (of those listed above) is better positioned whatsoever.

Do some actual research into what you're talking about before you talk about it.

Holy f * c k, you're retarded.

Gee, I heard the same thing when I predicted Obama...

beat Romney by over 100 electoral votes (Obama won by 116).

Guess you don't watch the Max Keiser and Gerald Celente posts here at the DAILY PAUL. If you have not, you are ignorant; if you have, and still feel the same way you do now, you are stupid.

I hope I am wrong; in any event, we should know sometime between Monday, March 24 and April 30.


I have nothing else bad to say about you, from anything I have read from you in the past at the DailyPaul. I don't dislike you.

But in a MAD situation, which is what any exchange between US vs. Russia, or US vs. China would be, there is no country better positioned to survive.

The complete destruction is just so unbelievable for either side.

"Presently five US

"Presently five US supercarriers are docked at Naval Station, Norfolk. One, the USS Enterprise is undergoing decommissioning. However, the four others make up 40% of the US supercarrier fleet and all five ships probably have full or at least partial complements of carrier-qualified sailors to assist in their servicing."

This is wrong. There was already a thread a while back on this.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Go to Snopes. Check for yourself.

The Enterprise is undergoing decommissioning. The other four are undergoing servicing and will be docked until July 1.

I Don't read anything without a link as a source of info...

Thanks for all your hard work and great posting Bob...

I would have upvoted your response.

I am sure you know I usually provide sources. For "all my hard work..." I am usually either ignored or ridiculed. Let me provide you with two very interesting links related to but not directly part of this article.



Food for thought. Huh?

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Thanks for the link, Bob.

Thanks for the link, Bob. I like the market oracle.

I linked them a couple times, I think. My understanding is they are just people, like us, sharing their insights of what they see happening and understand, in their respective domains, be those insights non mainstream. Generally, well... non mainstream AT ALL.

May or may not be useful, but way, way more genuine than what the MSM shoves down our throats 24/7. That's for sure.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Hi Bob,

Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I've spent a good part of the last 2 days trying to connect all the dots between Putin, the IMF, the charges against Strauss-Kahn and now the investigation of Lagarde, not to mention the Fed, Turkey, pipelines, BP and so on. It's quite the tangled web and I'm afraid it's going to take someone with more time and resources than myself to reach the bottom of it.

Not for a lack of effort, but neither of us seem to have scratched the surface. Internet roads only travel so far, and of course the media's entire reason for existence is diversion, obfuscation and propoganda. At any rate, we seem to be in agreement that this is a much more dire set of circumstances than most even care to comprehend, and more than worthy of a post here at the DP.

Concerning all the speculation on how it's going to go down, the possibilities are endless. I probably wouldn't have spent as much time on the hypotheticals myself, but hey, it's your post. I know you are most likely correct, all hell is about to break loose, but most libertarians are so easily frightened, in the future you may want to consider keeping "Armageddon" out of the headline. :o)

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Hi, Overandout, I did not use the term "Armageddon"....

for sensationalism and I do not mean to overly alarm people. However, I believe you will find this link useful to bring my feelings into perspective.


I genuinely hope I am wrong, but I found great peace in envisioning how this could be falling into place rather than wondering what the heck is going on.

All of my most recent postings have been associated with what I see as this upcoming event. If you follow those links, you will have much more supporting information for motives, not methods. Here is one more, as a "gift" for you very worthwhile post. Thank you for it.


Hey Brother,

Glad you got back to me, and please forgive me if I came off sounding critical. My intention was not to challenge your method but rather to point out that words like Armageddon may cause some to shy away from your post before giving you a fair hearing.

Case in point; I recently submitted a post with a rather controversial title. Truth be told, it was over the top. I did so supposing that it would compel the reader into a conversation about what I still feel is a very worthwhile topic. It turned out to have quite the opposite effect and the headline has since been changed, but I think I missed an opportunity.

Concerning your motivations, I never doubted for a moment that you were coming from a good place. In fact, I try very hard not to make too much of my own estimation when it comes to other peoples motives, but rather trust in the Spirit to guide me in those rare moments that knowing anothers heart or motive is even necessary.

Now that you know my intentions, thanks for providing that first link, I read the entire post and most of the comments. While I may not agree with your eschatology, I now have a much better grasp of where you are coming from.

My own studies have led me to the conclusion that Ezekiels war is in fact the beginning of the tribulation period, and the pivotal event that ushers in the reign of anti-christ. Armageddon, in my present understanding, is the final battle and takes place some time in the midst of the final 3 and 1/2 years. Having said that, I am by no means dogmatic in regards to how the final days will unfold or in which hour the Lord will reveal Himself, with one significant exception.

You didn't mention the rapture in your post but I presume from what you had me read that you don't go in for the pre-trib view. I'm not much for arguing the point but it is my very strongly held belief that those who tightly cling to this deception, this "doctrine of demons" if you will, are in grave danger of succumbing to an even greater deception in the days ahead. This is a dark hour my friend, the god of this world is preparing his throne even as we speak, the signs are everywhere as I'm sure you agree.

On a happier note, those of us who will not, or rather, cannot be deceived, and who are fortunate enough to survive the initial conflict, will be witness to and partakers of the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit that the world has ever seen. It is truly a remarkable time to be alive. I have many more thoughts on this subject but I've already gone on long enough. Do get back to me, this is a fascinating study and I'm genuinely interested in hearing more of your thoughts on the matter. Peace.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

I did not mention "rapture" theology, because, as a...

Gnostic Christian rather than a fundamentalist Christian, I pick too many fights; and, I get into enough fights without picking more.

However, if you really want to know what I believe, both about the "second coming" and "the rapture," which we call, "ascension," I will be happy to provide you links. In any event, wait a week and you will know which one of us is the more correct, because my Gnostic source predicts "the rapture" will begin sometime next week and will be accompanied by "three days of darkness". While not everyone who is "saved" will ascend at the same time,again, according to my Gnostic source, the rest of those "saved" will ascend sometime before the end of 2013. If that does not happen, I guess I will, once again, have to revise my belief system.

Hello again, Bob

It would seem that you and I are much further apart in our beliefs than I initially thought. I must admit that I'm a little bummed out by this revelation, but it certainly doesn't mean we can't be friendly with one another. I am curious though, what did you mean by, your "gnostic source"? Is this a person whom you look to for guidance, a publication of some kind, or were you referring to your own private interpretation of the gnostic gospels?

There are indeed some very troubling events on the way, maybe even next week, but I promise you my newfound friend, that the beginning of the "ascension" will not be one of these events. It has been foretold, that a great deception is on the way. Be wary that you are not caught up in this deception. If we are so bold as to name the name of Christ in our confession, as you have done by calling yourself a Gnostic Christian, then we should not fear to trust in the words of Christ concerning all things.

What good is knowledge (gnosis) if it fails to lead us into a deeper understanding of Christ? How can we have a deeper understanding of Christ without faith? As next week comes and goes, when you "will once again, have to revise your belief system" Please carefully consider the following words from Matthews Gospel. There is still time for faith.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Hello again, Overandout

I do appreciate your concerns and accept you admonition with the same love as it was given. I have heard much the same from other friends, who have apparently abandoned their attempts when I pointed out some uncomfortable facts to them.

Please remember, even the purest Protestantism is still based upon the Councils of Nicea and Trent. Most fundamentalists I know believe the King James Version of the Bible is the "uncorrupted word of God." Yet, entire Books and Gospels are left out of the KJV and the Roman Catholic Church destroyed most copies of these works. Most were only recently discovered in modern Israel in 1947.

Further, the Aramaic translation of the New Testament, which should be the "purest" form, since Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic and not Greek or Latin, differs from the KJV.

I did not identify "my Gnostic sources," because I felt you might have difficulty enough accepting what little information I did provide. Let us see how you respond to my present response before burdening you with any more, pardon the pun, "revelations".

I believe the "great deception" you described actually began with the creation of the Roman Catholic Church, as some of the videos previously posted here have described. Jesus repeatedly admonished his disciples to "keep open your eyes and ears." He also said to we "wise as serpents." Now, what,exactly does that mean?

We are told "Jesus was without sin"; yet, by "Jewish law," he broke the Sabbath, slandered the Jewish ruling elite and committed heresy.
If there are answers to these conundrums in the KJV, I certainly have not found them. Keep in mind, even in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the disciples were able to perform miracles in Jesus' presence. When Jesus returned from the dead, his disciples did not recognize him. Why is that? Most fundamentalists identify "Israel" as a geographic place. Yet there were "children of Israel" long before Moses let them to "the promised land." Jesus forbade his disciples from teaching "Samaritans," yet one of his most famous parables is of "the Good Samaritan". Why is that? REVELATION predicts, "the Church will be taken from the earth" (or words to that effect). How can this be unless there is something (again, pardon the pun), something terribly wrong with established Christian sects?

Gnostic Christianity encourages continuously "challenging your faith". I pray sincerely whenever I read anything, even Gnostic sources.

The Gospel of Thomas, not accepted by anyone BUT the Gnostics, is nothing more than Thomas quoting Jesus first hand. Please do not take this as sarcasm, but would you not think that such a Gospel would enhance our understanding of "The Christ" ("anointed one")

Regarding Matthew 36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

One can only deduce how close we are getting by observation and prayer. For me, that is faith.

Bless you, my friend.

Fair enough Bob : )

I'll patiently wait for your "revelation". But I'll have you know in the mean time that I am no stranger to the Gnostic world view and am not likely to be all that surprised by your sources.

While I freely admit that I am much more familiar with the pseudepigraphal writings of the Old Testament era, this does not mean that the many extra biblical sources of the common era or Anno Domini, have escaped my notice, neither do I deny the historicity of such texts. I am specifically referring to the Nag Hammadi texts from which have been assembled what is commonly referred to as the Gnostic Gospels, which I suspect to be your primary resource. Mind you, I can only speculate since you have chosen to keep this piece of information a mystery.

At this point I think it only reasonable that we come to some type of agreement concerning the various texts from which we have developed our own particular points of view. Scholars are clearly divided concerning the antiquity of the Nag Hammadi texts. The earliest dates place these texts within the same time frame as what is commonly referred to as the canonical texts, this however, is the minority view. The majority view on the other hand, estimates the Nag Hammadi texts to be much older, but no older than the first part of the 3rd century. Bottom line, I will surrender to you, for the sake of this discussion, the minority or "early" view of the origin of the textual evidence for the Gnostic works. If, you will acknowledge for me, the historicity of the canonical texts from the same period of time. Fair Enough?

Get back to me. Once we have established this common ground I should be more than able to provide an adequate response to each of the "uncomfortable facts" you mentioned above. BTW. I am not married to the King James Bible and have little patience for those who insist that it is the only reliable source from which to discover the heart and mind of God.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

"You got me there, Overandout. "Nag Hammadi," it is.

However, "third century" is also about the time of the written texts used to assemble the "modern Bible". Likewise, you must also realize that Judaism, Catholicism (Orthodox), Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and Islam all disagree on what books belong in the Old Testament and the Roman Catholics reject Revelation in the New Testament.

I do not pretend to be a theologian. Quite the contrary; and I welcome your responses. I am, however, somewhat psychic. I have seen my own future, the future of some around me and have a phenomenal record record predicting political trends. I know what "rings true" to me and what does not. I put my faith in my personal relationship with God, and it took me a very long time before I even accepted Christianity.

Your last comment left me feeling a great deal of unease, as though your intent is simply to have me question my faith rather than enlighten me.

Lucky Guess Bob ;o )

The first recorded canon of scripture was actually assembled around 150 AD, but it was not complete. A much more complete assembly of New Testament texts occurred around 200 AD. The reality is, there have been many canons, most of them not all that different from any other.

The canonical argument is nothing new. The problem with this argument is that canon and scripture are not the same thing. Canons are merely collections of texts set apart and sanctified by one particular religious group or another. The entire process is completely subjective, and probably not the best foundation upon which to build a faith or system of belief.

I understand that you are not a scholar, neither am I, this does not mean however, that we are chained to ignorance.

My contention, is that while the Gnostic texts were still being written, the majority of the canonical texts were already more or less complete and already being assembled. But once again, I have no problem putting the two on equal footing if it helps, for the purpose of this discussion, to establish some common ground between us. So, my question to you was, and still is, can you acknowledge the well established historicity of the canonical texts?

You made the point earlier that when presented with "uncomfortable facts" your friends failed to provide you with any answers. I'm not trying to be difficult, but would simply like the opportunity to answer the points that you initially insisted I address, before we venture off into another subject.

As to your final statement above, it's my understanding that one of the fundamental principles of Gnosticism is to question everything, did I miss the boat on that one? Let me know. I'm not trying to challenge your faith Bob. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

Peace to you :)

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Peace to you, too, Overandout.

That was also why I said, "I would know something this week," because Dr. Georgi Stankow, my mentor, is predicting major events to happen this week.


You mean Dr. Georgi Stankov don't you? The same Dr. Stankov who was supposed to have ascended on 11-11-11, and then again in December of last year?


You may want to look up the definition of a cult Bob. Devotion to a charismatic leader who claims to posess esoteric knowledge is right at the top of list.

Good luck on that ascension, make sure you get your rest and drink plenty of fluids.


BTW, ever heard of these guys? Be careful my friend.


πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Although I have little doubt

Although I have little doubt about the eventuality of a nuclear exchange involving Israel since the rich and powerful manipulating political events are known to favor genocide on a global scale, no one knows the exact date. Are trends (the season) pointing to major events on a global scale by summer, i.e. after May? I don't know, but the wackos are clearly running the show.

This sounds like some Joel Skousen

type scenario, which I believe is highly unlikely. Neither, Russian or China want a global 'hot war', because they are trying to build their nations from the commmunist economic failures. They both are working on their military reconstruction, but mostly for defensive means against the West's aggression. The Russian's have spent much effort in defense missle technology, but are way behind in most everything else. China is still 20yrs behind in almost everything, and what you hear in the press is extremely over-hyped. If you recall, the Chinese sub surfacing next to our carrier ship being undetected a few years ago. This was complete BS, as their were two US subs on each side monitoring their sub. The only way to stop a sub is to sink it, and the US didn't want to sink, it and used it to sell for propaganda for the MIC. Now, if we were to become agressive against the Bear and the Dragon, they will retaliate, but they are severely lacking for any offensive measures.
North Korea is being used by the Chinese to 'check' the US on their financial scams and their anti-missle squadrons being placed in their direction, but they won't commit suicide. N Korea doesn't have enough fuel to do much, and they won't launch nukes as the fallout will effect them.
Putin has played a proxy war in Syria and the main reason we haven't officially sent troops in any large faction there. I do think if there is an active aggression against Iran, Putin will send troops there to prevent it from occuring, or he will be shown to be weak.
In conclusion, unless the elites have spaceships (possibly) and another planet (unlikely) to go, which pretty much defeats the purpose, there isn't going to be a thermonuclear war. Even if they have underground bunkers, they would have to live there for the rest of their lives, as the fallout would prevent them from coming to surface, which also defeats the purpose.
Think logically folks!

You might want to check out this link.


As for China and Russia, I believe they feel this is their "best shot" for a "first strike knockout," before the Western Banksters do it to them. There was no time during the Cold War when they had such an opportunity nor such a likelihood that the West will "do it to them."

I find your logic circular,as in "they would not do this because it is not in their best interests." I would contend the simultaneous looting by the banksters and creation of a world police state is not in the elites' best interest,either; as this alarming rate of disclosure has awakened and alarmed so many people. But,we can agree to disagree.

Have you considered , the "Russian dirty $$ is all we're taking"

Is psy op language for " nothing to see here, move along" Can you see it in "I am not a Jew so I didn't say anything" terms? Or better still "when they came for me..." I 'm jus' sayin'

Aaron Russo, Nikola Tesla, Ron Paul, I'm jus' sayin'

Russia's 5,000+ nukes says

Russia's 5,000+ nukes says the money that belongs to its citizens is owned fair and square.

The Federal Reserve Corporation

The Federal Reserve Corporation is literally printing money out of thin air, 85 billion dollars every month for their member banks for free. Does anyone have a problem with this?


However, China might well use its US debt as leverage after a first strike by North Korea on US targets, especially if the US is severely wounded.

A little bit of electricity

A little bit of electricity from the electric company and the push of a few buttons, can send North Korea in its territorial entirety, to the moon in ten minutes. I don't think any country on the planet is contemplating national suicide by their actions.

I'm OK with the greatest depression and the worlds largest banking corporations going bankrupt. It's only money.

At least one country does: "The Samson Option"


Slightly more than 50 years ago, before Israel developed nuclear weapons, "My Weekly Reader" (a Kid's newspaper)reported that Israel had threatened to unleash "dirty bombs," making large portions of the Middle East uninhabitable, before they would be "pushed into the sea."

Yom Kippur War, October 1973

"Israel refused to stop fighting until it had surrounded the Egyptian Third Army. Sadat, eager to end the war, shot SCUD missiles on Israeli positions. A week earlier, as Thornton writes, a Soviet ship had been discovered carrying nuclear material, probably for SCUD missiles. When attacked by Egyptian missiles, Israel put its nuclear weapons on alert. To warn all actors and subvert a further escalation, the U.S. again (as earlier when facing Sino-Soviet tensions), placed an alert on their nuclear weapons, the highest this time, DEFCON III." http://www.lars-klein.com/start/usa/nixon/nixonyomkippur.html

I used to think the US would be able to prevent any attack

but look at how they responded to 4 hijacked airplanes in 2001. Of course I don't believe hardly any part of the "official" 9/11 story...but since I began educating myself, I've learned how totally incompetent our government is. The only thing they do really well is counterfit money, plunder the population, and propagandize the public.