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Rand Paul's Staff Complicit in Stopping Ron Paul's RNC Nomination?

It would appear that Rand's staff was working with the GOP to stop our efforts to nominate Ron Paul:

"Right then a short, white-bearded man marched past Sen. Paul, over to his chief of staff, Doug Stafford. It was Ben Ginsberg—veteran of the Bush-Gore recounts, top legal macher for Mitt Romney, “the lawyer for the Republican establishment,” author of a new Republican National Committee rule that would bind delegates more closely to winning candidates. Ginsburg, carrying a sheaf of papers, leaned in and buttonholed Stafford.

“I’ve got your guys trying to put Paul’s name into nomination,” he said, pointing at the papers. “Right here, buddy.”


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Look, some of us will NEVER support Rand. However,...

I do believe virtually everyone in this movement could get behind Judge Andrew Napolitano. Judge Napolitano has stature and name recognition. Best of all, Fox News could not possibly deep six Judge Napolitano the way they did Ron Paul.

Some of us will NEVER support Judge (MSM)

I am actually begind Rand Paul, who in the GOP, has earned stature and name recognition. I can't imagine Judge going up against Rand except to lead people to Rand.

I'm actually in the GOP to materialize Ron Paul's message, Restore the Republic. Ron Paul was a learning curve. I didn't agree and had to read and debate to understand Ron Paul's reason for his possititons. This is true of Rand Paul.

Rand is achieving Liberty and I think we should all stand with him. Why not? In the BOG picture Rand is accomplishing hemp being grown in Kenhtucky.. that's huge. He learned a lot studying politics as Ron's son, and I'm learning a lot watching him.

Rand is the top man in the movement.. so knocking him.. to me.. who else do you have to WIN?

Shut up already.

This is idiotic.

There was never a good time to concede but Rand and Ron played their roles well and today we are reaping the rewards of Rand Paul's own strategy.


Everything started changing after Breakfast with Ben

Before that there was fight from the the campaign (even with the 5th columnists in campaign HQ - Benton, Trygve Olsen, John Tate etc.),

After Breakfast with Ben, Ron Paul basically just gave in - even though the grass roots were still trying full throttle.
I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting, to know what was said. All kinds of subtle and not so subtle threats could have been made.

Soon after that the Benton email came out doing deals with Priebus etc.

Ron Paul just did not word his policies in terms that appealed to the masses.
He did not get nearly enough new supporters.

The only way he was going to have a chance was to persuade about 10 million people to vote for him.

And that was never going to happen with messages of EndTheFed or Liberty - large numbers of ordinary voters were never going to get that message.

EndTheIRS, Biggest Job Creator in History, I will bring back Wealth & Prosperity to this Country, I will cut taxes dramatically, I will take this country BACK to what made it GREAT - might have done it. His actual campaign speeches certainly didn't.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."


This story is garbage. It is only there to keep the chains on your mind.


Liberty = Responsibility

six months old


algorithmic vote swapping

You honestly believe Ron Paul didn't know about this? You're assuming Ron is stupid. The whole thing was rigged and there wasn't anything he could do about that. You saw how Ben Swann was the ONLY person reporting the election fraud except for one silly Maddow clip. RonP doesn't shoot off his mouth wildly on anything - he's a careful calculator. He received more attention than TPTB ever expected. You do RonP a disservice when you whittle down his virtuous character. The GOP was fighting for bodies... Ron Paul was fighting for souls.
I'd say he won.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

someone needs to find the

someone needs to find the algorithmic downvoting that happens on this site. :)

A thumbs up wasn't enough...so I had to say it.

That was very well put.
: )



If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

No one has ever said it better.

You said better:) Ron Paul won souls beyond the borders. He enlightened the masses. Like Gregor Mendel his genious will be talked and remembered about after we are all gone.

and thanks to you too

You get it.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

If Ron Paul wanted it bad enough he could have taken the

nomination from Romney, but it would have been messy. I think it was a plan B setup for Rand to run in 2016. Look where Rand has been in the last few weeks, Israel, and on the Rush Limbaugh show to name a couple places.

I don't think the sheep were ready for a Paul in the White House, by 2016 everyone will realize deficit spending will have to stop. More and more the sheep are learning the FED is not a government entity, that was a big revelation to a friend of mine.

I donated to a politician for the first time in my life. I do feel a little betrayed but if Rand wins the nomination in 2016 it will all be worth it. Hopefully Rand will pick his dad a treasury secretary, that alone would make us all very happy.

Lets not forget if Rand is the front runner at the beginning these rule changes can work in our favor, and lockout the GOP favorite which will be Frothy.

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe


The voting machines were rigged from the start and there was nothing RonP could do about that. Bellyaching about it wouldn't get it changed and would have degraded the man. He opened a lot of eyes by being true to himself. But it seems as if you, and quite a few others, don't value virtue in a man.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Somebody needs to drop like 1000 tons of LSD into congress

sit back, roll a j, and watch the biggest shock and awe event since 9/11.

Congress would literally puke satan

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

We knew something was working against us

and more is coming out over time how Trigve and Jesse colluded to isolate and disenfranchise the R3VOLUTION. We suspected certain deals were made in convention. Over time, again, our suspicions are born out.

These are pieces to a very large puzzle. However the pieces are falling into place.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Here's what the real title should read:

"Ron Paul Complicit in Stopping Ron Paul's RNC Nomination?"

People can keep telling themselves in was all Jesse Benton, (or now try and blame Rand Paul) but it was obvious to me a LONG LONG time ago that Ron Paul is not what he says he is. There are many people in American politics who aren't what they say they are, who just pander to the people, but if they want to start talking about liberty, they've made a BIG mistake. Its hard to talk your way around liberty without planting some seeds.

Let this be my apology and confession to you all:

I've always known Ron Paul was a fraud. I knowingly used Ron Paul to plant the seeds of liberty, and I also know certain people will try to hide behind Ron Paul and use liberty like a shield. Evil people always hide behind a shield that represents what's good and right.

I CHOSE to do this trusting that if liberty is really what people want, those seeds will grow, and we'll win the debate. I wanted to use him to turn public perception into a floodlight where a person offering injustice can no longer lead the people.

I'm sorry if you ate the bad fruit Ron Paul was offering. Anarchism is like cutting your own throat in politics. It's no kindness to offer people a bowl full of fruit when one of the apples will kill you and leave you on the margins worthless to liberty.

It was never my intention to leave you facing justice. It was my intention to help you stand up and demand it.

IN a way you are correct!

The fact that Ron doesn't come out and state the obvious regarding 911 and a whole lot of other obvious shenanigans does indeed make him a fraud. Be it, for political expediency or personal.


you want sideshows - so I downvoted you for ignorance.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison


First it was, "Ron believes the same thing and supports this!"

Now it's, "Ron's evil because he doesn't believe us on 9/11!"

You realize the ideas you guys promote regarding 9/11 are the exact opposite of what Ron's speeches about Blowback are about right?

Eric Hoffer

I'm a little confused

'I've always known Ron Paul was a fraud', could you elaborate a bit about what you mean? And could you please give specific facts that we all could research that back up your claim? Thanks

PS. if this is sarcasm than understand and there is no need to elaborate.


What he's trying to say, is

What he's trying to say, is that he's a paranoid moron who will never be happy with anyone who more than 5 people like. And he will proudly get stuffed into an UN plastic coffin along with his entire family and everyone he knows as one of the only 4 or 5 idiological pure libertarians on the planet by his standards before ever making a single compromise in the persuit of political power so he can actually make a differance.

News flash: They have never needed to use "fraudulant libertarian leaders" to discredit libertarianism. We have been losing for a very long time all without the need of any government "plants" to lead our movements into the ground. If the "man" wanted to do us harm, they wouldn't send in a double agent like Ron Paul to awaken a global movement toward liberty only so they could break our hearts with a lost election which resulted in us swarming and conquering the GOP; They would have just continued to ignore us, because that was working pretty damned well. Infact they didn't have to start introducing fake libertarians like Glen Beck UNTIL Ron Paul broke their system.

Ron Paul is the guy who awoke the hunger for liberty in humanity again you utter moron. If he hadn't been there, nothing would have changed until someone just like him came along. If he "was" a fraud, he was the worst backfired scheme the PtB ever drempt up, because the whole world is turning libertarian now, and he was the spark that lit the fuse.

Here's reality. Ron Paul couldn't win after Frothy dropped out. However people were engaged and involved. We were making inroads with our parties, and the anger we felt after that fraudulant win by Romney is what galvanized many of us to take power from the GOP. The stage is now set for Rand Paul, who would never have had a shot in hell of carrying out his father's dream of a free America if not for his wise ability to PLAY THE FUCKING GAME TO WIN which you idiots out there seem so incapable of understanding.

You want Anarcho Capitalism? So do I. But guess what, if we can't even stop the Orwelleon Nightmare that is fast approaching by dismantling their power, we aren't getting there. You're going to have a much easier time reaching a state of no government once you achieve a state of small government. You don't jump from A to Z. Quit living in fantasy land. Rights are won on the battlefield, and unless you want to try your AR against their hellfire missles, id suggested you get engaged in the political battlefield and give up the paranoid brooding.

Better than selling out.

Better than selling out.


Keep screaming about "utter morons" while you suck on a frauds udder. I love justice, and it will find you.

"Ron Paul is the guy who awoke the hunger for liberty in humanity again you utter moron."

You just keep telling yourself that, and I'll stick with Jesus thank you very much.

Ah. That explains that. Ron

Ah. That explains that. Ron Paul never said he was going to light me on fire if I didn't worship him, so ill stick with his ideas.

There are no gods coming to save you from whats coming. But keep praying, meanwhile ill be getting libertarian leaning republicans elected in my district, and tossing out the Neocons who don't cross over. Then ill be getting Rand elected if he's the one. People like me will be taking our country and our rights back from the bankster elites. People like you will be trying to communicate with your magical king through your one-way transistor radio, otherwise known as a pillow. We'll see who gets further faster.

There are no gods coming to save Magwann77 from whats coming.

"There are no gods coming to save Magwann77 from whats coming."

That's for sure.

"But keep praying, meanwhile ill be getting libertarian leaning republicans elected in my district, and tossing out the Neocons who don't cross over."

I will, and you go right ahead and do that.

"Then ill be getting Rand elected if he's the one."

You go ahead and do that too.

"People like me will be taking our country and our rights back from the bankster elites."

It's about time. How are you going to do that? Are you going to pick up a gun or win the debate? (BTW they're not "elites"(PUKE) and neither are you)

"People like you will be trying to communicate with your magical king through your one-way transistor radio, otherwise known as a pillow. We'll see who gets further faster."

If there's anything that can stop you, it's this kind of garbage statement.

Why would I have to win a

Why would I have to win a debait when 70% of my local GOP are Ron Paul republicans? We won the debait by swarming the PCO races. We have 2 out of 3 of the party council votes. The Neocons join us or get frustraited and leave. It wasn't hard. A month of making calls to find like minded people and get them to run for PCO. I already had their names and numbers from the caucus.

Why would I need to pick up a gun to inact change when we can win politically by simply outnumbering them and taking their elected positions away from them? Who cares if they have a few bought-and-paid for jerks at the top when the rank and file know their game and won't dance to their music?

If more people would do that instead of wasting their time finding excuses to be useless to the movement, (such as believing in ridiculous paranoid delusions about Ron Paul being a traitor) we'd already have kicked the collectivists out by now.

Did I insult your religeon? Schucks. Well if you don't like people tearing into your sadistic collectivist fantasy monarch, maybe you should refrain from insulting the hero of millions with your paranoid nonsense. But don't worry, you can sooth your bruised ego in the knowing that jebus is going to light me on fire in his cosmic torture chamber for the rest of eternity once I die. That's the justice I deserve for not thinking like you! Maybe Jebus will let my children watch me burn so you can can feel extra avenged.

Great. Good luck.

I'm sure your precinct has the PCO it deserves.

"Did I insult your religeon(lol)? Schucks. Well if you don't like people tearing into your sadistic collectivist fantasy monarch, maybe you should refrain from insulting the hero of millions with your paranoid nonsense."

No. You didn't insult my religion. You're reinforcing my beliefs.

Did I insult your hero? Is being called an Anarchist and a fraud an insult? If being an Anarchist is an insult, he probably shouldn't have chosen to be one, or tried to call himself a Libertarian, a Republican, and a Constitutonalist.

All he'd need to do is deny it and explain to people what's wrong with Anarchism. I would love to hear him try, but he can't. He is what he is. If he did, and could intelligently dissect Anarchism as a fraud, I'd write a long retraction begging for his forgiveness.

I don't have to worry about that happening though do I?

Every day it becomes more and

Every day it becomes more and more apparent that the best form of government is "no" government. Governments don't have a very good track record, and as the single largest cause of unnatural human death, id say its worth giving something else a try for a change. There's still a solid debait and im not wholly on one side or the other. And then of course there's the feasability issue. We certainly can't get from our current state of "near total government" to "no government" any time soon, esspecially when most humans are so dumb, they base their entire lives around stupid myths based on medival peasant control. Somehow I don't think the primitive collectivist mind is quite ready to give up on the belief in "authority" just yet. If you can't even stop cowering in fear and worship to a make-believe space-king cooked up to fool dark-age peasants, there is no hope. You were obviously born to submit to authority. Probably why you love government so much.

Ron Paul may be an anarco capitalist, or a "volunteerist" which might be a better way to term the ideology so that fear-filled primates don't start flipping out and shaking their bannana trees because someone uttered a term which sounds like "Anti-Christ" even if it has nothing to do with cartoonish belief systems based around cosmic collectivism. I could care less if you call him something he may be. Im not sure how that qualifies him as a traitor however. Ron Paul and every other person in this movement who has put in real work to make changes in their states, districts, or precinct is worth x1000 of you. What have you done for liberty besides piss and moan about how everyone else isn't as pure as you? What are you adding besides empty sadistic threats about how your boogy-man god is going to torture everyone you don't like in the name of "justice?"

Its so utterly pathetic when delusional people try to sic their imaginary friends on others. What if I went around telling people that since they don't agree with me, Torm would see justice done and come down from Celestia to cast Flame Strike at them for 20d6 damage, no save? Justice is coming for you bitch!

Its fiction. Not real. There are no gods, angels, bigfoots, tooth fairys or flying spagetti monsters. Grow up and start using the brain the Flying Spagetti Monster gave you.

For posterity.