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Justice Alito says Gay marriage started in the Netherlands in 2000. Seriously.

You would think people put in these positions would have just a smidgen of knowledge about the world they live in. What a Dolt.

Alito's provocative question

His words:

"Traditional marriage has been around for thousands of years. Same-sex marriage is very new. I think it was first adopted in The Netherlands in 2000. So there isn't a lot of data about its effect. And it may turn out to be a -- a good thing; it may turn out not to be a good thing, as the supporters of Proposition 8 apparently believe.

"But you want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution, which is newer than cell phones or the Internet? I mean we -- we are not -- we do not have the ability to see the future. On a question like that, of such fundamental importance, why should it not be left for the people, either acting through initiatives and referendums or through their elected public officials?"

Article: http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/03/26/17475093-alitos...

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Heh, I'm an ignorant as well.

Heh, I'm an ignorant as well. I live in the Netherlands, but I never was interested enough in trivia to look up this particular tidbit.

But apparently, the judge is right concerning the Netherlands being the first country to pass laws concerning gay marriage (well, atleast in modern times). I looked it up on the wiki article and it does corroborate his story:


(more accurately, it was passed in the house and senate in 2000 and went into effect a year later)

So a Justice of the Supreme

So a Justice of the Supreme Court relied upon Wikipedia to do his homework. I'm just joking, but don't they each have a staff that does research for them? I mean, come on! All I did was a simple search on Google, and up popped the article below about the Catholic Church and gay weddings waaaay back in the day. That wasn't difficult.

Same sex marriage is not new. The words, "gay," "heterosexual," and "homosexual," ARE actually new, modern words that did NOT exist in the Biblical Greek or Hebrew languages.

The terms, "gay," "homosexual," and, "heterosexual," did not exist until very recently.

"The term “homosexual” is of modern origin, and it wasn’t until about a hundred years ago that it was first used. There is no word in biblical Greek or Hebrew that is equivalent to the English word homosexual."


Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Did The Catholic

Did The Catholic Church
Ordain Gay Weddings?


A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St Catherine's monastery on Mount Sinai. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman pronubus (best man) overseeing what in a standard Roman icon would be the wedding of a husband and wife. In the icon, Christ is the pronubus. Only one thing is unusual. The "husband and wife" are in fact two men.

Is the icon suggesting that a homosexual "marriage" is one sanctified by Christ? The very idea initially seems shocking. The full answer comes from other sources about the two men featured, St Serge and St Bacchus, two Roman soldiers who became Christian martyrs.

"Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has evolved both as a concept and as a ritual. Prof Boswell discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents (and clearly separate from other types of non-marital blessings such as blessings of adopted children or land) were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century)."

----------- Full article linked above

Justice Alito was off by only about 1200 years.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

If it matters-I upvoted your post, but comment below

must have knocked out my vote.

And what's wrong with that assessment?

Does everyone need a refresher course on how nothing exists until a bureaucracy grants permission for it to exist?

"The piece of paper is your rule of law because the piece of paper says so."

The universe doesn't get any clearer than that, serf.

And I downvoted your comment just because

you seem rude.

Grow up

Grow up

Ventura 2012

Apologies to certain sensitivities

I was directing rudeness toward only bureaucrats, because bureaucrats.

I am pretty obnoxious, though, so it can be hard to tell the difference.

show me rude

I see a bit of sarcasm, but no rudeness

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison