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Does Ron Paul Support Gay Marriage?

Thanks Dr. Paul for giving us the Libertarian perspective


http://youtu.be/sQkNEcXPAHs

Dr. Paul gives a more elaborate explanation to Cavuto on Obama's Gay Marriage Statement, 5-9-12:


http://youtu.be/AW9ZcLSUVM4

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Real Equality

one of my favorite Ron Paul moments

Clear, concise, principled, empassioned. I wish Rand would talk like this.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

why is so much money given

To countries that publicly execute lesbian and gay people?

donvino

Money builds infrastructure

which businesses use to expand their base and exploit the natives.

Rich get richer, duh.

It's a distraction.

And the government should be left out of moral choices.

Here is an interesting look at reality:
http://henrymakow.com/homosexual-insider-spills-the-beans.html

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I'm up-voting you

for your statement about the government getting out of moral choices, but not the link you provided as I found it to have inaccurate information.

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

France

Millions are protesting against it there right now.

donvino

Another reason I don't live in France

I bet other third worlds like Kazakistan share in the French sentiment

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I love this guy!

Yes it IS that simple.

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Mass groveling on facebook

My lefty friends on Facebook are having a mass-grovel to beg the government for rights with their pink equal signs.

There is some weird battered-whore/abused-child type of logic where one advocates feverishly for government and then complains when it treats you like a dumb child who can't make your own decisions.

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Seeing the same thing...

Enough with the pink equal signs...I share Dr. Paul's view on this topic, basically the government shouldn't be the one that gives us marriage rights anyways. Gets annoying seeing these two groups (gay advocates and religious zealots) whine to the government about their 'rights'... Free men and women don't beg the government for rights that are natural anyways... or something like that...

Geez....

How dare you post something about Ron Paul at the Daily PAUL! Sike....I remember when every post was about Dr. Paul. Ahhhhh, the good ole' days.

WOW! I second that emotion.

This site hasn’t been about the good Doctor since before the election. It became the Daily “JOHNSON” with all those connotations, LOL, and has gone downhill ever since!

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First Off

Ron Paul is a Christian so we all know he doesn't believe in Gay Marriage. He is just trying to say that the Government has no say in it. It should be the Church decision. If the Government forces the Church to do Gay Marriage than that is wrong. That is what I think Ron Paul is trying to say.

My opinion, I think it shouldn't be called marriage but Honestly I really don't care. We have bigger problems to worry about.

I respectfully disagree with your comment

As a libertarian minded person ones philosophical approach should convey that you own yourself. You have the liberty to make decisions for yourself including the person you choose to marry as long as its consensual . As long as a persons choices don't infringe on another persons liberties.

Yes, first and foremost Ron Paul as a then Congressman had a responsibility to office and did the right thing by deffering the argument to a church or private contract attempting to relieve the government of this privilege giving power it constitutionally had no power to wield.

In the end if we are truly going to evolve as a society we need to challenge these tenants and taboos we have been indoctrinated by. Once we understand what true freedom means, only then will men and women be liberated to move beyond the mental and physical shackles we have been given.

DEX

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

the "I own myself"...

...philosophy is, "I am the god of my own universe"...

The "laws of nature, and of nature's God" imply ORDER....there is a Creator.

Secondly, the implication that anyone(society) by government, or non-government decree, give it's "blessing" to gay sex is beyond ignorant because of it's clear and well documented destructive consequences.

The man-on-man, woman-on-woman relationship contributes nothing beneficial to any society; it is unnatural, and selfish, and God-defying. It is the road to destruction, NOT the "libertarianism" of our learned founders.

Marriage is a God-ordained institution, and so is the family, and so is government....to throw him off is ignorant; the state has no business in marriage anyways...but...the state best be careful NOT to usurp His office and authority over men in this regard by deceiving the people in blessing that which is abomination in His eyes.

Sorry Dex, wisdom is ever-present, and granted from above; not "evolved".

Thanks for the interest in my comment

I appreciate your perspective and the fact that you are brought up in faith.

Here is where the real discussion takes place on the institution of marriage , at the church. I agree with you that marriage is a church or god ordained institution. Therefore marriage is not nessesary unless one follows a religion. What benefit does a marriage serve other than a promiss between two people?

I want you to know I am not coming across in a condescending fashion and have respect for your opinion. I just see it a different way than you. Your views are boiled down into faith. Faith that there is a god that created man in his image. Faith that the bible is his word. There is no fact that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that this is so other than myth and ancient tradition. There are many sources that speak contrary to this story and other religions that carry the same attributes. In the faith ( Christianity) it describes gay or homosexual relations as an obomination. Fine, then why would a free person that is gay want to be a part of that? It is their choice and has no effect on your choice. You still have faith and they don't. In your eyes, they go to hell....so what. That has no effect on your life. That is why we must let people choose if we are to be free.

I too believe there is a creator. I am not sure what form or manifestation it happens to be. When you consider the emence possibilities logic tells us earth based religion is wrong. It is very earth centric and egotistical to say that.

Consider how old this earth is. Science has proven its much older than previously thought. Now consider the earths position in the solar system among the other planets orbiting around the star we call the sun. Then look out into our galaxy and see that it's comprised of billions of star like suns with terrestrial bodies orbiting just like our solar system.

Then, look beyond our galaxy of billions of stars and realize there are billions of galaxies out their with billions of stars in them.....then consider the 80 odd years of your average life span on this planet. Look at the history of men that sought to control and dominate this insignificant little planet for just a few thousand years.

How could anyone possibly know the answers or the true story. The fact is we don't but take solice in the fact that there is a story that tells us when we die its not over that we can live eternally. That hope is used to manipulate masses of people for good and bad depending on what region you follow. You can't sight the bible to me because I don't accept it as fact.

For me, I have accepted my fate and my short time on earth and realize I have an opportunity to truly free my mind. It is a glorious opportunity for me who is truly special to be alive to live my life free and to the most. to really LIVE! I coexist with billions of people just like me that seek the answer. I feel remorse for those that have become victim to religion or cult that dictates how they must live their life in fear of eternal suffering. They are cheated true freedom.

I am a good person, I treat my brothers and sisters with respect and embrace that all of us are searching. Who am I to tell someone who to love or who to commit to? Just like, who am I to tell you what to believe?

I think evolution is real, we are evolving everyday technologically, mentally and physically. Until we are able to rid our minds of slavery we will never be free.

Let people be free, let them decide what's best for them. This is what being libertarian means....

PEACE
DEX

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

"Science"

"Science" hasn't proven that the earth is older than previously thought. That is the opinion of some men. Nothing in scripture has ever been proven wrong by "science." And as far as "facts beyond reasonable doubt," you are in error again.

This Sunday Christians celebrate the historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth, who claimed to be God, rose from the dead. That is what validates Christianity and shows "religion" to be wrong. Too many errors in your post to address them all, but you might start with believing the Bible because Jesus told us God's word is truth.

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

The man-on-man, woman-on-woman relationship contributes nothing

What an arrogant statement. A gay couple that raises children that were up for adoption, children that may have been aborted, or may have been sent to an abusive hetero foster home, they contribute nothing beneficial?

Selfish? How is love selfish?

God-defying? I guess just as God-defying as not stoning someone for accused adultery. The kind of adultering our founding fathers participated in with their slaves.

Marriage is a God oriented institution? God doesn't have the exclusive right to issue contracts between two consenting individuals, nor was it invented by him, the Bible or the Pope.

The State's business, if there must be a state, is to IGNORE the church. Not endorse its views.

Hey, I believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster! What does he have to say about marriage? Let's take his word for it and make it law! Sounds pretty idiotic, right? Just because your divine "whatever" has a few things to say, you've got a book on it, and people have been going crazy over it for over 2000 years, what rights does that grant you over me? Over anyone.

Authority is Authority. I choose love over Authority.

What an arrogant statement. A gay couple that raises children that were up for adoption, children that may have been aborted, or may have been sent to an abusive hetero foster home, they contribute nothing beneficial?

Selfish? How is love selfish?

God-defying? I guess just as God-defying as not stoning someone for accused adultery. The kind of adultering our founding fathers participated in with their slaves.

Marriage is a God oriented institution? God doesn't have the exclusive right to issue contracts between two consenting individuals, nor was it invented by him, the Bible or the Pope.

The State's business, if there must be a state, is to IGNORE the church. Not endorse its views.

Hey, I believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster! What does he have to say about marriage? Let's take his word for it and make it law! Sounds pretty idiotic, right? Just because your divine "whatever" has a few things to say, you've got a book on it, and people have been going crazy over it for over 2000 years, what rights does that grant you over me? Over anyone.

Authority is Authority. I choose love over Authority.

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yes....

I am for capital punishment; swiftly and authoritatively....tell me I am NO Christian, concerned with the preservation of life, or, the understanding of "love"....

I can't wait to get dressed down by those who think they know where life came from....go ahead....

follow

Not following you Dex. What are these taboos we need to shake off? That government plays a role in things like gay marriage, or that Gay sexual relations and marriages are wrong? I feel like your post was a little too ambiguous for me to follow.

Both

Read my comments above to patriotsundergod so I am not redundant.

People should be able to make choices in their lives as long as it does not infringe on you.

Thanks

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Again

Again you haven't defined clearly what you think your mind is being "freed" from. I can't quite see where you're headed. My gist is that you think if you "free" yourself from traditional Christian values and do what you consider to be "good" then you're somehow elevating yourself to some higher plain or something. It seems quite random. I agree with your stance on gay marriage with the exception that since I believe it is immoral. It doesn't infringe on me, I teach my family what I believe and hopefully they see it my way. People are welcome to engage in it, but I don't have to celebrate that.

Your scientific comments I would say are rude and mostly unfounded. But that is the problem with most of these arguments, they go well beyond reason to diatribe and that lends to arrogance. I don't actually hear much logic in your post, but I'm striving too, so please elucidate for me. This is the simple question I guess I would ask. Where do you get this ethic that teaches you that homosexual unions are moral unions? Or is that not what you're saying?

I'm not sure why you don't understand

I was not being ambiguous at all. You are correct, I am free from religion. Yes I do feel liberated and have risen above it. That is why these conversations become offensive to some because they see it as arrogance or egotistical when in fact it's just simply me moving on and hopefully compelling others to question these ancient institutions in our lives. A free exchange of ideas

I don't disrespect you. I bet your a decent person and are seeking truth through means you have been taught. Yes, I have decided to live my life that includes being good to people, respecting them, helping them whenever I can and engaging them to enrich our lives. I don't engage in destructive behavior or advocate dictates on people's lives. I take care of my body and exercise regularly, eat a good clean plant based diet and live by example for my children. I teach them what I have discovered and offer alternatives so they are free to decide for themselves. Yes, I guide them but not in a way assuming I have all the answers but in way where they are challenged to think. ( although still struggling with teenagers :-) )

My scientific explanation is rude? I suppose it can be rude to some if one is engrained in a belief system that offers no such respect for proven facts that have been document and discovered by men searching for real answers.
Can you deny we live in a solar system? Deny that our solar system is in a galaxy comprised of billions of stars? Deny that there are billions of galaxies out side of the Milky Way? Deny that we have an average life span of 75-90 years? Deny the earth is at least 5 billion years old? ...that is rude when we have been told by a humans from a non scientific approach that there is an invisible being out there that looks like us and decided man on earth was the center of it all. These same group of men that tell us if we are obedient we can have eternal life. That god loves us unconditionally under certain conditions....No, I don't believe this inference you make that god gives us ethics. We are beautiful creatures that have adapted and developed the ability to reason. Just because you don't know what a conscience is doesnt mean you dismiss it as god. Keep searching you may find a real answer...

These conversations are tough and always result in ill feelings. I guess that's why they say no region discussion in many social and business circles.

I know we have opposite believes but in the end, I still love you....

Enjoy your holiday and thanks for commenting

Best
DEX

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

I see

I see that I did understand. But the arrogance and rudeness come from your comments like "if you keep searching you might find REAL answers" etc. You're assuming I don't believe we live in a solar system or that I don't understand scientific facts??? That is the rude part. You're making all sorts of claims about religious people that are rude generalizations that are not true across the board. That is seeing people in prejudicial groups.

Further, without a written word of God, there is virtually no basis for you to think YOUR view is superior to anyone else. To say you are "above"
and "free" is ridiculous and very egotistical despite what you say. It's crapping on everyone that disagrees with you. There is no basis for ethics outside of God and so you can't convict anyone of wrong doing in their beliefs, or in their actions if He has not spoken. Now I know I'm "engrained" in a belief system and that makes me a shackled moron. But for a shackled moron, I can spot poor logic and BS pretty well. Good luck finding a moral law that convicts me of that outside of God. What shall I follow, the code of Hammurabi?? An ancient king? Just another human like us? If humans create the moral code, then let's be clear, there is no OUGHT or "reason" that any of us should follow it except existential "happiness" which some people find in screwing us out of our rights or in murdering or eating their neighbors. But they're no more wrong or right than you or I if there is no overarching moral law, given my a moral law giver that we can judge their actions by.

Who says we're beautiful? Many would say we're ugly! Who says our conscience is "good", perhaps as Dawkins says, "we're dancing to our DNA." Your argument is full of so much assumption and so little real, logic that it's insulting to say that you're elevated above anything other than a past religious system that you felt was probably a little icky to you.

But what is god?

And why is your interpretation right and not the Eskimo who never has been been exposed to Christianity , or the tribal men in South America or Hindus for that matter. To me, that is being egotistical to claim to know god.

As I stated, I believe there to be a creator of some manifestation. I just don't act like I know who or what that is and have a personal relationship with it. I don't proclaim my god is the right and true story.

I am actually more humble and accept things for what they are and that know one truly knows.

I'm not the one being defensive . I have nothing to prove. I am truly at peace. That's comes with being free.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

IF

If that is true, then why do you feel the need to tell others they're wrong and you're right? You're guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of. You're not free at all. You're still at war, otherwise you wouldn't even respond. But you believe you're right and others are wrong. That YOU know the right way, and we, they whoever, don't. Every time you respond you prove that to be more true. God will be the judge. May he bless you.

I responded because you asked that I not be ambiguous

I never push my beliefs on anyone. I am happy to share if they ask

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

The night

Whatever gets you through the night.

;-)

Thanks friend....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.