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Pro-Defense Advocate Kicked Out Of Coffee Shop Video (Open Carry)

A pro-defense advocate (open carry) was discriminated against and kicked out of a Caribou Coffee shop in Novi, MI for expressing his right to protect his life. The cops and store gave him the option to stay if he hid his beliefs under his clothes, but the gentleman refused and was forced to leave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHNzes35DME

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While doing some work on my laptop, I had an unfortunate experience with two officers of the NPD.

After the video, I walked to another establishment, continued working on my laptop for an hour or so, and returned to my vehicle. The police had left by then.

While I had nothing to hide in relation to my identity or vehicle, I didn't want to give the officers any ability to write me a citation for something frivolous on my vehicle, such as a muddy license plate, broken taillight, illegal window tinting, cracked windshield, or any other thing of that sort, even though no such conditions existed on my vehicle.



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Private Property.

You have no right to bring a weapon onto someone else's property if they prohibit you from doing so, and they have every right to eject you from their property for any reason they want.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Interesting

The video description states: "The manager did not confront me at all, either before or after the police arrived."
Yet the video implies that he did because as the police approached, the advocate states, "It's me", as if he was expecting them.

???

yeah

I live about 2 minutes from this Novi Caribou, and they're pretty good folks there. I work from there fairly often.

If you're in a private business, and the rule is no guns, then you don't care there. It's common courtesy as well as following the rules of the establishment. If you don't like it, don't eat there.

No offense man, I'm a huge 2nd amendment supporter, but only because the 2nd amendment enforces property rights. If you were asked to leave, you leave.

If they didn't ask you to leave first, and just called the cops first, then that's a jerk move and you should make that more clear.

Eric Hoffer

Carry*

Carry*, not care. Must have been tired.

Eric Hoffer

bin

go.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

The camera is mightier then

The camera tis mightier then the pen

Bad planning.

I think the man has a good point demonstrating his right to openly carry a gun in public, but he was in a privately operated business so if he wished to protest the business he was going about it all wrong. He should have gotten a sign and stood out in front of the business and protested that they do not allow people to open carry when in their establishment. Personally, I don't think he has the right openly display his weapon in the coffee shop and just should have covered it and when he left the building uncovered it if he wished.
grant

Bull crap

Is the Caribou Coffee shop in Novi, MI a publicly owned institution?

If not, as of the moment the carrier was asked to leave and did not, he was committing trespass. Against private property. While armed. Which in some states elevates this to the level of a felony.

See you don't have any RIGHT to bear arms in my home or place of business. What you have is an OBLIGATION to follow my rules or leave.

It's really quite simple.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Yes

Thank you.

Have to agree.

The right of the private business or property owner override the right of an individual to carry a weapon on their property. The same as if the individual was smoking or came into the shop without shirt or shoes. A private business owner may request that the individual hand over the weapon upon entering the establishment or require that the weapon be concealed.
grant

Where is it stated that they

Where is it stated that they dont have a right to kick him out? They have every right to kick him out, but do you also defend businesses that kick people out based on skin color?

I certainly defend that

I certainly defend that right. Just because society as a whole isn't racist doesn't mean a person doesn't have the right to hold those beliefs and run their property how they choose based on those beliefs. I think this should apply to even who they choose to hire. People have the same right to not give that person their business.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Depends.

If you are on your private property such as you residence, you have to right to deny for any reason the entry into your house on onto your land. Thin, Fat, Tall, Short, dark brown eyes, blue eyes or any other physical characteristic you please, but in this case it is a licensed business. Licensed Businesses, by a City or State has to follow the rules of the City or State that gives them the license to operate. If of course the business choses to operate without a license, then of course that is another issue.
grant

Licensing who can have a

Licensing who can have a business is the same as licensing who can have a gun, who can travel (drive), and who can marry. The government just plain has no right to decide these things. A business has the same rights as an individual because it is an individual's private property. Government has no right to tell people how to behave. People have a duty to not give a business that disrespects the 2nd Amendment their business, but this guy was trespassing when he refused to leave.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Government is in the business of protection.

Government and business are extentions of each other.
Per the Constitution the federal government has the right to uphold patents, do you suggest there be an amendment to change the Constitution? What about zoning, does a city have the right to restrict business and industry to different areas within it's jurisdiction? What about the right of a business to own a name, should everyone be allowed to make a cola, call it Coke and take it to market?
grant

I don't see what defending

I don't see what defending patents has to do with licensing everyone's rights.

Zoning is unconstitutional. Property is property and no level of government should have the say as to what you do on your land, as long as you are not harming anyone or their property from or on your property. If we still had land patents zoning and HOAs would be mere figments of the imagination.

I also fail to see what Coca-Cola trademarking the name coke has to do with anything I said. Using the government to defend your business against copiers is lawful, but that does not translate into the government going around as police telling everyone what to do.

It's a first amendment right to be intolerant of other colors/cultures/sexes/gays and run a business in that manner. It's everyone's first amendment right to nonviolently refuse to do business with them. You can't inspire change towards what is right in people through the use of force. That never causes a person to look at their self and think maybe they are doing something wrong. Being shunned by society does.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Not the same thing.

An individuals skin color, eye color and hair color are characteristics and not behaviors that a business has a right to limit. If an individual, regardless of eye color comes into an establishment without a shirt, the business owner has a right to ask them to leave. If they refuse to put on a shirt then the business owner has a right to demand that they leave and either remove the individual by violent force or call the police.
grant

The right to defend ones life

The right to defend ones life is vastly more important than the right to express ones physical characteristics because dead people cant express their physical characteristics when theyre six feet below.

The establishment or police

The establishment or police did not deny him the right to carry the weapon, but they did deny him the right to expose the weapon to the public. There is a difference. Likewise he is required to wear clothes if the establishment requires. If he is not happy with the rules of the house, he may want to open a business that is open carry and clothing optional.
grant

Nice perspective. You can

Nice perspective. You can have dark skin, just go to the back of the bus or leave. Please point out where it says the business doesnt have a right to kick him out.

The law says.

The bus company, since it is a licensed business, does not have the right to kick out people with dark brown eyes or any physical characteristic, even if they are handicapped. However, as an individual, if someone is hitch hiking on the side of the road, you have to right to barter a ride whether or not you are physically or emotionally attracted to them. If you aren't you can just keep on driving.
grant

Not.

If you are on your private property such as your residence, you have to right to deny for any reason the entry into your house or onto your land. Thin, Fat, Tall, Short, dark brown eyes, blue eyes or any other physical characteristic you please, but in this case it is a licensed business. Licensed Businesses, by a City or State has to follow the rules of the City or State that gives them the license to operate. If of course the business choses to operate without a license, then that is another issue.
grant

Please point out where it

Please point out where it says business dont have a right to kick him out.

Depends.

Does a business have the right to deny service to police officers if they are carrying their weapons into their business in the open? I believe they do.
grant

Please point out where it

Please point out where it says business dont have a right to kick him out.

Equal treatment.

I don't know the law in this particular jurisdiction. I imagine the business has a right to make a rule denying service to those who open carry into their business. Where they would be breaking the law is if they allow some customers to open carry and other customers not to open carry. Again since this is a licensed business, they are subject to all laws under the jurisdiction of their license.
grant

Please point out in this

Please point out in this topic, on the dp, where it says business dont have a right to kick him out.

Cloudy.

I may be missing your point. In the article, that you posted, it states that the man was discriminated against because he was doing an open carry of his weapon in this coffee shop. I believe this implies that the business didn't have the right to kick him out. Personally, I think he should be kicked out, because the business is establishing a rule that they don't want people showing their guns. The only discrimination I could imagine would be if another person or police officer was to sit down and get service while openly carrying a firearm. Then perhaps he would have a case of discrimination. This is why I asked if they have the same policy for all customers including police officers.
grant

Good Work

Looks like the police are learning as we continue our on going education campaign. Nice job respecting their property rights. Hopefully the people at the shop learned something too.

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