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For All MASS immigration fans - Chinese truck driver whose immigration status is on appeal kills 2 with his 18 Wheeler

A Trucker driver who is a citizen of China slammed into 2 cars waiting at a stop light at 60 mph never stopping crushing them both into the back end of another Semi Truck. The driver, a resident of California and citizen of China was working for a Mexican trucking firm was over his allowable hours for the week according to his log book. He is being charged with manslaughter.

His temporary visitors permit expired and he was appealing his removal from the United States.

And people want mass immigration, these are the kind of things that happen.

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Traffic accidents?

Seriously?? That's your argument against illegal immigrants? A man in our church was killed this exact same way last month by a legal citizen.

How do you suggest we go about dealing with the problem of illegals in the country?

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Lots of people are killed by

Lots of people are killed by lots of people legal or not. Car crashes are the most likely way any of us are going to go. I just don't have hate in my heart I guess to make this an illegal alien issue.

All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness

So people

Who have fences, lock their doors, have no trespassing signs, have hate in their hearts? If I am following you correctly.


lots of people

Illegally in the country kill a good number of people on the roads every year.

They have no insurance and are most likely deported.

I cannot believe how many people here are so utterly indifferent towards this issue. I am very surprised. They are either very confused or trolls imo.

Americans have been killed by people illegally in the country. Perhaps I am missing the point.

If RP thinks that this acceptable or the 'price of doing business' then I am at the wrong place

PS Calling out to Truckers for Ron Paul



Just wondering if you write similar articles when a native born American trucker, with a license, working within the legal number of hours, makes a terrible mistake and kills another driver. Happens every day.

Then what do you do? Deport them?


They are not that lucky. They most likely will go to prison and will never drive again.



Because the argument, "All people with questionable immigration paperwork or situations will murder you by ramming semi-trucks into the back of your car" is a reasonable argument.

Eric Hoffer

That's Right

It's far more comforting to know that a loved one was instead killed by a fellow American citizen.


seen your pro amnesty and open borders posts before Eric.

But if the guy was here on an "visitors visa" which means you are not allowed to work, you are allowed to visit then two people would be alive. Obviously you care more about if an American can kill in a truck, of course....duh.

But isn't the old line guns don't kill people, people kill people?

Well one less illegal woud mean two more Americans are alive. I can't do anything about Americans, if they kill in a truck they are citizens, but we can do do something about the flood of immigrants, especially illegal like this one to stop US Citizens from getting killed.

I know you think it's fine for illegals to go running wild, killing people and leaving their kids fatherless.


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You may have me confused with someone else, I'm in no way an open borders guy and think the libertarian argument for open borders lacks substance due to the nature and necessity of force. A country with no borders isn't really a country.

Nice try though.

You still don't seem to understand the logical path here. You're attempting to state that Illegals kill people and therefore they're bad. But it's really an invalid argument, because whether they're illegal or not individually has nothing to do with their moral status once they've killed someone. Who is worse, an illegal immigrant to this country or a citizen who is a murderer? Anyone in their right mind should say the murderer is more morally corrupt. Your argument then, gets lost in the fact that the murder and death are so reprehensible. What you're left defending now is the silly notion that illegal aliens are going to run people over with trucks and that somehow citizens are not.

That's the absurdity you've devised here.

Well one less illegal woud mean two more Americans are alive.

That's completely false. You mean had THAT one less person not been here, then two more Americans MIGHT still be alive. You can't honestly say. Maybe 5 years ago he saved the lives of an entire family of Americans by carrying them bodily from their burning house. You really don't know.

As an extension of your argument, in the case of the Sandy Hook shooting. The argument would be, "Well one less teenager woud (spelling preserved) mean many more American children are alive."

Do you see why this sort of reasoning is absurd?

I know you think it's fine for illegals to go running wild, killing people and leaving their kids fatherless.

But of course I do! In fact, all of those here who insist on reasonable, logical arguments as opposed to crazed fear mongering and belly aching are totally cool with illegal aliens not only being here, but being given free reign to run on murdering rampages, preferably at schools, hospitals, and at the local cute kitten shelter.

Eric Hoffer

Now this comment, Eric, is a

Now this comment, Eric, is a rebuttal. Right on and + 1.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.


dducks above had a pretty good one, thank you though, I appreciate it.

Can't stand this sort of nonsense.

Off I go to sit on the corner with my La Raza buddies and sing mariachi songs while we sit outside Home Depot plotting the next innocent American we can run over with our Mack trucks.

Eric Hoffer

Save a spot for me! Yo le

Save a spot for me! Yo le haras nosotros cervezas! Elevar las cervezas a el proximo accidente!

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I am with you Joe

I drove rig before so I know the system. I have seen my share of carnage out there.

Big American firms are and were investing in Mexican fleets to save money. Could be some supporters of those firms here. I do not think the regulations square up and definitely the independents in both countries are being squeezed.

Btw, there was a Truckers For Ron Paul site it would be good if some of those supporters weighed in here ...no pun intended :)


LOL. I was thinking the same

LOL. I was thinking the same thing.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

do you think he was thinking about his citizenship status

While driving?

Or is it just that all Chinese are bad drivers??

Who do I emailor call to further the regulations on "big truck" drivers to ensure we don't allow another oriental to "$trike again"?

So porn dude

are you Spanish?I notice you hang out and respond to anything that is anti-immigration.

The LaRaza folk have lots of people hanging out on various sites bottom feeding to try and push open borders and amnesty.

We have a few right here on the DP.

You wonder if he's from Spain...

because he responds to anti-immigration threads?

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

LaRaza maybe

Its easy to pick out the bottom feeders here pushing amnesty for law breakers and people who coud care less about this country.

Look at you from Arizona, overrun by illegals from south of the border, not shocked by it.

But I have no problem going head to head with LaRaza hacks.


Because your logic is terrible and your idea completely unrealistic, OBVIOUSLY anyone that disagrees with you is in the pay of some kind of Mexican gang.

That makes sense. You're just winning all the time today aren't you?

Eric Hoffer

I could care less

if they disagree with me, far left brand of Libertarianism is going nowhere. But mass immigration and the already tried and done failure called amesty is a United States wrecker.

Very interesting that you and a handful of amnesty pushers always come out to neg post on anything to do with anti-immigration.

LaRaza tactics

If it helps

I also "neg post" on things involving 9/11 conspiracies that I believe are illogical, people bashing Rand Paul for illogical reasons, people promoting illogical actions to "support" liberty, people who illogically believe that if your birth certificate is in all caps that you're owned by a corporation or that the US is just a corporation or that we're being governed by admiralty law or some system of mercantilism under the British crown, etc.

I post supportive things on supporting Liberty candidates locally, 2nd amendment rights, how to share ideas to bring people to support Liberty, anything having to do with Michigan, etc.

Sorry, but your illogical, collectivist positions are bearing the brunt of my negativity, but it's mostly because your ideas have been stupid and shortsighted. I'll apologize in full as soon as you pull your head out from between your legs.

Eric Hoffer

obviously he had no clue

what he was doing and shouldn't have been on the road, but because NAFTA and new laws allowing Mexican trucks he loopholed the system.

But hey I am an American not a new world order one world government, open up the borders Obama fan.

here you go illegal alien lovers


Attributed to the LA Times, June 2002:

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).

(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare. See...


Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

'Aliens' don't receive welfare.

You need a SS# for that.



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You would pay taxes if you had the choice?

2) compare that to what percwntage of LA citizens are illegal. FYI... That's a hard number to calculate

3) does being "illegal" make you more wanted?

6/9) how does that affect you?

(10) ebonics doesn't count as English...

11) the LA times is legitimate?

The other 5 will be addressed in the coming weeks