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Proud of my wife this morning...

(Wasn't sure which forum to put this in, so forgive me.)

My wife is a fellow Ron Paul supporter, and is subject to my political/economics rants, which she generally agrees with.

She shares an office with a liberal democrat who is fond of verbalizing her opinions. My wife has been honing her debate skills with her.

She sent me a text this morning, summarized here.

The co-worker was talking about the whole gay marriage "rights" issue, when my wife showed her a libertarian banner on Facebook that basically said that freedom would be a government that has no part in marriage.

Co-worker: Well, it's so they can keep track of people for tax purposes.

Wife: You know how I feel about taxes.

Co-worker: But then there would be no police!

Wife: Sure there would; they would just be privatized.

Co-worker: Who would protect us from Ted Kaczynski and people like him?

Wife: The police protected us from Ted Kaczynski?

Co-worker: (With a hand-wave) Well, it doesn't matter anyway...

Boom! That's how it's done.

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Thanks for the post. This was

Thanks for the post. This was a piece of good news.

Thanks for the post. This was

Thanks for the post. This was a piece of good news.

exactly right

people always assume a magical government can fix things even though you can look around and see that it isn't working. It's fun to point it out.

I usually never say the word 'privatized' though. It's a big negative buzz word for many liberals. Instead I say 'free of politial influence'.

can someone explain to me how

can someone explain to me how a privatized police would work?


You contract (that is, pay for directly) for those protection services, perhaps including apprehension of criminals (bounty hunting, anyone?) that you are unable or unwilling to provide for yourself. You do this with a willing provider for a sum of compensation that is mutually agreeable to both you, under terms of mutual consent (a
'Contract'). If you choose to engage in such a contract with others with whom you have formed a partnership (another form of contract) you are certainly free to do so.

As opposed to the system we have in place now where you neither have a choice in how much you pay nor in what services you have a right to expect.

Point being, the obligation to provide such services, in the end, rests with YOU.

Private Police Questions

1) What happens to these contracts and the relationships that form from them when the people in them do something wrong?

2) What does a person do and where does he go to to seek restitution against people who decided to work with each other (whose relevancy I fail to understand) to harm him and find out he isn't who should have been harmed? What happens to this person when society's system of restitution is gone?

3) Do you mean private police or security? Regardless and additionally, assuming the entity of force is private, is it operating in society's system of restitution?

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Thank you for such a positive, encouraging, post

in the sea of bad news. It made me smile! I am glad for you and your wife, and perhaps the democrate co-worker will come along shortly as well! There is nothing like the truth to begin to open eyes the eyes of those asleep to it all!

I'm proud of your wife too!

Seriously, what is needed the most is conversations like this making people think for once in their life. The ONLY good thing that came out of the neocon GOP reign is the total lack of debate skills democrats had to deal with.

Now with libertarianism they are blindsided by reasoning and out of the box thinking the media dares not talk about.

Nicely done!

Here's the banner I think you were referring to:


Marriage is a contract!

I've told my wife in the past that had I known then what I know now I would have opted for a private ceremony, no marriage certificate, no contract with the State!

I got married for the commitment only, not a ridiculous certificate that renders our financial and child-bearing lives under contractual obligation and submission to an undisclosing, fraud-inducing authority.

You can rest assured that this whole debacle over marriage-equality will pan out positively for those who currently cannot marry with legal recognition...the government will take the side of any complaint that harbors the possibility of increased taxation of the people and theft of their not be fooled, they will not allow marriage-equality because they believe in a fair right to marry whoever you choose, they will allow it and side with it against opposition because it is money in their greedy pockets, property in the children you bear or adopt and servitude in the choices we make to hold a ceritifate through the act of signing into a contract with the robbers themselves.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Good post!

I told my wife the same thing about if I had known then what I know now. I remember signing the marriage license and thinking, "ok, NOW its official." Nope, it was official when I said "I do," making that commitment to my wife, in front of God, family, and friends.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

When they bring up the taxes

just remind them that a tax incentive for married couples is the same thing as a tax levied for being single ;)

Good stuff

Just don't tell your wife that you were only proud of her this morning. Ha.

We Liberty Ladies appreciate our Liberty men too:

a friend once said of my husband, "I may not always agree with John, but he does keep his word, and hold to his principles."

He would leave his "Ron Paul" stickers on the car where ever we went, for which we received some flack from the 'keep Israel aided by our tax money crowd'. His response: "We aid both sides of this, and are forced to!"

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


My wife is getting good at her debating skills too. She also knows all the the great people in the Liberty movement by the sound of their voice. When I play a video clip she always says "Is that Peter Schiff?" or RP of course, and Max Kaiser, Gerald Celente, Josh Tolley, Stefan Molyneux, Doug Casey, etc (she practically knows them all) its such a turn-on to have an beautiful libertarian (anarchist to be honest) wife!

Your wife is smart.

Her co-worker is apparently slow.

The contrast is amusing for us, but it must be tedious for your wife, if they share a cubicle or something.

Is you wife an AnCap?

If so that's awesome!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard


I wouldn't categorize her as that just yet. I inform her about what I read the best I can without bombarding/overwhelming her. The concept of private police is something she got from me, which I got from Bob Murphy, Rothbard, etc. She's aware of (and hasn't disagreed with) my opinions that anything the government does that's actually a valuable and desirable service would be better provided on the market.

But I'm working on it. :)

Good work

and good luck!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

My conversation with her

My conversation with her would have ended at:

Co-worker: Well, it's so they can keep track of people for tax purposes.

Me: (nods head, turns back around and continues working)

Southern Agrarian

She often takes that approach,

but she can only take so much.