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Is It Immoral To Have Children In This Environment?

Just wondering if anyone is either:

A) Planning on having kids (or more kids in the even they already have kids) despite knowing about the economic disaster that's about to unfold in this country

B) Planning to not have kids until after they have a better idea of how bad things will get. Maybe the plan is to maintain maximum flexibility to move out of the country (or at least to another state) should that be necessary.

C) Planning to not have kids at all because they think things will be so horrible in this country.

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We need smart liberty babies

We need smart liberty babies to reeducate the people raised by the media and government run schools.

i only have one...

But I want another one pretty badly.

I love kids. I'm lucky. I have 7 nieces and nephews. I can't think of a thing I enjoy more than seeing all of them together. 4 older boys 4 younger girls. My daughter is the oldest girl and the last two in our family are twins. :)

You think of it this way.. all those kids grow up. Our family is very close. If TSHTF I will be lucky to have them as valuable assets.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

it depends on if you are aware

and if you are going to share it with your kids

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

For the most part

we're the most 'aware' people out there. We don't rely on the LSM for our news, we question everything, there are some truly amazing econimic minds here to help those of us (like me!) who are mystefied by the subject, we know or are determined to know our/all history and we believe in the high ideal of Liberty.
I say it's almost our duty to have children because they will have the most oustanding parents! We may be better prepared than most to teach children our founding principles, what free markets mean, sound money, civil/natural rights etc than most other people. Why would we deny any child that immeasurable fortune?

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

That is up to your own conscience, (and your spouse's)

However, if you choose not to, you miss out on some incredible joy. There are few things better than seeing children grow, learn to love others, and seek truth and liberty.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I'm almost 34 with no kids. I

I'm almost 34 with no kids. I don't want kids for 3 reasons really. 1 is that I appreciate the freedom I have without being responsible for another life (though I do have 3 dogs),2 they're expensive and 3, I don't think it's fair to force another person to live in this effed up world that doesn't seem to be getting better any time soon.

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Kids are great - forget the economy

I wouldn't base any decision to have kids on macro economic/political issues unless you are already in a prison camp.

My father in law was a child in the great depression and WWII and got ration coupons for food, and was around when they confiscated everyone's gold and saw the value of money go down 98% through his life and still had 80 years of happy life.

While there could certainly be violence during our coming economic crash, there's also a possibility that it just sucks for a few years while we figure out how to reclaim our capital goods and infrastructure, etc., and re-right the means of production towards good ends.

Even with all the nasty stuff we see going on, we're likely in one of the freest and most prosperous times in human history right now.

Having children has been one of my greatest delights (two girls, one boy, ages 2, 5, 7). They are my best friends, and they are marvelously happy (certainly happier than to not have existed, we could postulate).

We have so much control over our personal sphere and so little over the macro-economy or TPTB - build happiness where you can, enjoy your Peter Schiff crash-warnings, and teach your kids how to be free.

(my opinion)

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Bump for focusing on the

Bump for focusing on the important things.

Whenever political things try to get me down, I think of my family, and what is *actually* part of my life - and therefore what I really have responsibility for, too.

Politics could just be a huge scam to make you forget your own life.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

tasmlab's picture

"Politics could just be a huge scam to make you forget your own

I like this:

"Politics could just be a huge scam to make you forget your own life."

What if it were true? How pathetic would that be on so many levels? It would be absurd cruelty from the leaders and profound, dopey stupidity from us.

Seriously, how much of politics is supposed to make us act outside of our personal interest and instead in the interest of strangers, near and far? I have to personally go to work for like four months out of the year to send bombs to Afganinstan and riches to the bankers and keep the poor out of work, and the politics is to make us complicit with this, right?

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

I believe it is true. I find

I believe it is true. I find it interferes with my prayer life. Why worry about anything in politics more than necessary when I can go to God and ask him directly - and God is the actual Ruler?

So, yes, in a very real sense I think politics is a scam. But I said it the above way on purpose to reach other people.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Counter hypothetical question

What would the result be of banning all children for exactly one generation? (just one, lol)

The group with the most kids,


Valuable question to ponder....

Thanks! Bump.

What would the Founders do?

Dont be stupid, if you dont

Dont be stupid, if you dont have kids they win. They are doing their best to breed people like us out of existence, combined with the mind control of public schools its just another means to an end. Worst case scenario...society collapses, and you have to live like a mountain what? Life is still better than not being alive at all.


"They are doing their best to breed people like us out of existence"

Who's 'they' and who's 'us'?

"they" are probably the same

"they" are probably the same people who prospered by enacting the FED and every other Central bank which is now intertwined with each-other through the IMF, World Bank, and BIS. Also, the same people who own the 5 major corporations in the world which own 97% of all media worldwide including all textbook companies. These are the same families, Trusts, and Corporations which gave us the Eugenics experiments here in the US, and created the Abortion movement to eliminate the minorities and undesirables from existence. These are the same people who financed Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and others throughout history. However, that is just my guess as to what the commenter was referring to "they." The "us" would be those who for one reason or another oppose the "they."

As an aside, while I do understand that the "us" and "they" houses -within those terms- ambiguity, so does "The Market" as an answer for those which question how certain things would be provided in an anarchist society.

Okay, thanks.

I thought is was a racial reference. I don't doubt any of that. 'They' sure seem want to get rid of 'us' than.

I am with y'all. Pop ''em' out. The more the merrier.

To dducks...

Don't discount the racial overtone of this. The average Muslim family of Europe has 6 or 7 kids, the average latino family in Amerika has nearly that...everytime I go to WalMart, I see the Mexican families with 3 or 4 kids already and she's always pregnant! Now, I have no clue of statistics of child-bearing for Anglos in Amerika but rest-assured, they are being "out-bred" by a HUGE margin!
Different than the European immigrants that came here 50-100 years ago, the current spanish-speaking immigrants have no interest in becomming "American". They speak spanish at home, in public and demand bi-lingual everything. Rather than leaving their 3rd-world hell-hole for a better life, they seem to want to convert their new-found home into what they're used to. This is how America is changing...the kids don't speak English and the parents demand that the schools teach in spanish. I left my state-of-birth because I couldn't get a job without speaking FLUENT spanish!!! I'm good with languages and have no problem learning...but I do have a problem with being forced to!! If I moved to Italy, I would want to learn Italian and do my best to "fit-in".
As to the comment you were replying to with the us vs. them theme, this is all part of the plan!! The elites are trying to change the root of America into those who would do nothing but work and obey. Those that would never resist Agenda 21 and would agree to live stacked and packed next to the rail lines and perform menial labor day in and day out to serve the new masters without ever complaining.
In conclusion, I say "yes", this is more about race and temperment than you're giving credit.

Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

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I don't know about immoral...

I personally don't plan on having kids but it has nothing to do with the state of the world. Well.... ok, maybe a little, but mostly I just don't want kids and never really have despite how much I love being around kids.

My sister just had a kid. Her and her husband both have decent stable jobs, they invest wisely and have a shtf plan. However, you can never fully prepare for a shtf situation and they are aware of that. They wanted to start a family so they did. I don't think it was immoral.

I do think considering the state of the world as is, it is probably wise to really take a look around and consider all the details that go into raising a family.

people still had kids in the great depression

maybe they had fewer or started later but it didn't stop. I think it depends on your own situation.

Good question bump.


"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

personally, I wouldn't..

I already have 4 innocent dogs and 3 sleeping relatives to worry over.

Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

I wouldn't either,

not now. If I could have a home birth, and could swing home schooling... maybe.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift