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We need MORE Anti Zionist Posts

Should we not be bringing awareness to the world stage of the Zionist control of the world? Should we not be bringing awareness of the FIRST Holocaust that began in 1900 and resulted in 6 million Jews dead, and that it turned out to be an orchestrated HOAX designed to create a country called Israel in Palestine? Should we not be bringing awareness to our fellow man that the same Communist Zionism that created Communist Russia has been operating within our own country for as long?

Shouldn't we be raising awareness just exactly what we are supporting when we support Israel?

The FIRST Holocaust

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

The Jews I know including wife are freedom lovers

Most people regardless of label are against the corporatist banking cartels sometimes refered to as Zionist.

Definitions of Zionist vary quite a bit so being anti corporatist really covers the whole ball of wax nicely..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

That is the problem

Anti-Semites INTENTIONALY change definition of Zionism to attach many unrelated things.

According to Webster dictionary, "Zionism is an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel."

There is nothing in Zionism about money, banks, corporations, individual rights. It is group demands for the land. Thus only collectivists can logically side with one group or another. The rest can only use emotions here.

There is a plethora of

There is a plethora of concrete evidence that Zionism goes far beyond the borders of Israel. Israel was its beginning, but not its end.
I have nothing against Socialist, everyone has their right to the kind of government they want to live under. It is that they desire and do force they entire population to live under their rules, even those who have no desire to live by that system.

And that is why I do not vote, I do not participate in this system. The "Liberals" want to enact law on EVERYONE to force those who do not desire socialism along with those who do. They have no right to do such. And the "Conservatives" want to COMPLETELY eliminate socialism from society, but they too have no right to tell those who WANT socialism that they cannot have it. This "democracy" at its very heart creates a people divided amongst themselves, on one side is the majority and the minority on the other. In a democracy there is ALWAYS this division amongst the population.

Zionism is pro democracy and it has a goal of "making the world safe for democracy", I do not support it.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

I really do not care how you vote or whether you vote at all

The dicussion is about Zionism. Out of so many political parties in Israel (today 32+), 3/4 of them support the State of Israel, thus they are Zionists. Those parties range politically from left to center to right. Only Marxist, Arab parties and some ultra religious sects are against. That demonstates that Zionism has nothing to do with a particular political ideology. There are Zionists socialists, there are Zionists capitalists, there are Zionists religious, there are Zionists secular, there are poor Zionists, there are rich Zionists.

Most of US presidents support Israel within securable borders, therefore, Carter is a Zionist, Obama is a Zionist, Reagan is a Zionist, Bush is a Zionist. Putin is a Zionist too. He even brought his whole family to Israel in 1990's for a vacation.

The Zionist Agenda: They Totally Control Goliath By: Ted Lang

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism; the latter term has been corrupted to where today its use is as a powerful word weapon smear tactic to prevent Americans from discussing, realizing, and reacting to the horrific danger that Zionism presents to not only our nation, but also to the peace, safety and freedom of the entire world. And that threat can be summarized as the Zionist’s "global agenda.": http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_zionist_agenda_control...
Barack Obama Is A Zionist
Muslim Communist: http://rense.com/general83/bamm.htm

jhon

So what an

individualist like you see more negative in Zionism than say in USA socialist-progressives or Sharia Law? Give us YOUR thoughts (and since I know you well, please use YOUR arguments, not copy-and-past or links.)

I will give you my thougts on this the zionist politicans happen

to all be neocons. According to ron paul the neocons are fake conservatives who co opted the conservatives to make them be pro war and not non interventionist anymore. Ron Paul has spoken out against zionism saying it is a tool for big goverment and a political ideology that does not represent or help the jews but harms them.

jhon

I'm a simple guy, and I have friends that are Jew's

They are friends and want the same thing I do. To make their own way through life, raise their kids with a productive lifestyle.

This label thing has been co-opted by the Bad Asses that want to enslave everyone of all religion. And they have reached their tipping point.

Base

I have Jewish friends and

I have Jewish friends and family. I pray every day the Jewish community in the USA step up and do their part to help keep what we have before it's gone.

I have friends that are Muslim as well.

Of course they own a lot of the local stores so I get to know them.

One store welcomed the Ron Paul Brochures but took them down after the local neocons threatened them.

Several other stores were robbed and are out of business.

This has nothing to do with Religion, this is all about domination. And it isn't being done by the Ragheads.

And btw, the ragheads have NO problem with you bringing your behaved dog into their place of business. ;)

Most of the Corporate/Zionists stores do.

The US Constitution if

The US Constitution if applied properly keeps everyone behaving satisfactorily. Use it.

Liberty's Demands

Liberty begins in the mind. If there is no understanding of what it truly means to be a free person, then the process of liberation may not continue to unfold.

Once a person begins to consider themselves a free individual and truly understands what that means, there are manifest consequences in that person's life.

They view themselves differently. They view other people differently. They understand that they must assert their individual rights. They understand this depends on defending the rights of others... even those with very different tastes.

A free person strives for individual excellence and virtue. There is no greater hero in the eyes of the free person then themselves. There may be role models, but the free person also strives to be a role model for others.

A free person is highly responsible. They take matters into their own hands. They are unafraid to act decisively within the limits imposed on them by the requirement that their peers also maintain such freedom. They just get it done.

A free person does not make any claims based on the accident of their birth. They do not think themselves better or worse for the ancestry or ancestral lineages they may have or not have. A free person is their own sovereign and they respect other individuals as their own sovereigns. Only one who seeks to subvert the power of other individuals for themselves would think like a tyrannical monarch of old... who claims all for their own family or tribe.

One of the great liberating ideas manifest for so long in the USA was that it didn't matter who your father was. It mattered what you could do.

What type of person makes their primary identity one deriving from an accident of birth? An individual who is not free in their mind. They therefore have not allowed themselves to follow a path of responsibility, excellence, and virtue. They deny these things to others as well. They do not recognize any inherent rights. They do not play the game of peaceful transfer of power or the rule of law as we understand it... to protect the individual.

Zionism fits into Libertarian idea well.

For example, under free-market capitalism, socialists can organize their commune and prevent transpassing. Similarly, Mormons could separate themselves from others if they choose to. Anarchists would even allow those people to break off and create their own state. Thus, Israeli-Palestinian conflict is about groups demand for the land, not about individual rights.

So any arguments against Zionism is emotional, out of apriori hate. Because one cannnot be angry at his mother, father and gentile neighbors who voted for DEM/GOP circus for generations, blaming Jews is such a relief from mental anxiety.

A Palestinian wants 'his' land back,

an 'Israeli' stole it, and 'I' have to pay for the defense of it. If 'you' love Israel so much, 'you' pay for her defense. Better yet, 'you' and 'your' children can take up arms to go defend her. There is no group thinking in that logic.

As much as you cry boo hoo about all the collectivist/copy & paste thinkers, it may be helpful for you to look in the mirror.

It is only through the

It is only through the courage to have a discussion like this, can we have Justice and Liberty. Long live the USA.

Definitions

Define: Jew, Jewish, Yiddish

Before you can argue a point, you have to define the terms being used. Definitions of terms can vary based on time, place, and the individual's understanding.

A person is a 'Jew' or 'Jewish' if they fall into ANY ONE of the following categories:

1. They practice the religion of Judaism regardless of culture or ethnicity.

2. They have an ancestral lineage dating back to an ancient people who populated an area of modern day Palestine between the 6th century BC and the first century AD.

3. They are have Jewish ethnicity or culture.

Any individual may therefore voluntarily consider themselves a Jew is they accept #1 or #3, regardless of issues or ancestry. Likewise, an ancestral Jew can not voluntarily stop being a Jew since it is an ancestral identifier. There are many ancestral Jews who are not culturally or ethnically Jewish nor do they practice Judaism as a religion.

Now, if you were in Nazi Germany and you were an ethnic German who was a voluntary Jew (but not an ancestral Jew), you could simply renounce the faith and/or culture and be accepted by your fellow Germans. If you were an ancestral Jew, it didn't matter what your religion was... you were seen as Jewish.

No individual can pre-select their ancestry before being born, to my knowledge.

The typical definition of a Zionist is simply an ancestral Jew nationalist.

Nationalism is the belief that a group of people sharing some type of common ancestry deserves their own land to the exclusion of other people.

Nationalism is a form of group-think and is always anti-liberty.

Deciding that people who may or may not have voluntarily chosen an identifier of 'Jew' and that such people could be any race, ethnicity, or religion... how could they all possibly share some cookie cutter bunch of negative attributes?

The collective IQ of this forum is suffering from the attempts of some ignorant people to make it into the new Storm Front.

"Zionist is simply an

"Zionist is simply an ancestral Jew nationalist"

Zionism was begun before there was a Jewish nation. Not all zionist are Jews...

Athough the Zionist movement did not begin until after his death, Karl Marx could be said to be the Father of Zionism, as the founders of Zionism were Marxist and Marxism was their goal.

Nationalism is a form of group-think and is always anti-liberty."
Certainly Karl Marx would agree whole heartedly with you, as he too opposed Nationalisms.

"...how could they all possibly share some cookie cutter bunch of negative attributes"
Through indoctrinations.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Bravo!

"The collective IQ of this forum is suffering from the attempts of some ignorant people to make it into the new Storm Front."

I couldn't have said it better.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Thank You

That was very well said. There are some of us who appreciate it.

My Love for the Liberty . . .

. . .People is we have the largest tent by definition. But a funny thing happens on the way to a philosophy of Liberty, for which I believe Ron Paul is a great champion, is that people stop existing in groups.

Or you'd think.

Because being sovereign individuals, and desiring the same for all others puts us in a little spot with regards to groups--By definition, WE DON'T BELIEVE IN GROUPS.

Grouping is evil, and, by definition, exclusive, alienating, and divisive. It's rather paradoxical, in that the very act of rallying together as some sort of group, we set that group apart from the rest of the people.

I want to be part of the group that is trying to abolish the idea of grouping out of principle. It is the same evil as we rail against when it comes to race, gender, class, religion, culture. . .the tragedy of being able to be so callously herded into Left vs. Right or whatever.

I consider all discussions that begin with a divisive, unprincipled division of We the People, to be harmful to the task at hand, which is to secure and protect liberty for ourselves and our posterity, and for me that means for EVERYONE ON THE FREAKING PLANET.

This is done with Love. Encourage those who are against you to divide and group themselves however they'd like, and to come back when they are ready to love Even and Especially their Enemies.

blah-blah-blah-ism never was Love. To give any energy to the race/religion/party/gender games is total, fawning bliss for the enemy. If you don't want the Devil to whip your @ss, don't get in the ring with him.

It's classic forum disruption that is carried out systematically against targets like the DP. Whether or not any of this noise is deliberate or not makes no difference. If I were an enemy of those crazy libertarian-types, I'd be trying to paint them as anti-semite, anti-poor, racist, etc. Then I'd try to provoke and cultivate any marginal remnants of this sick sort of thinking, and, in the process, creating a nice record of how sick in the head certain accounts on the DP seem to be, and perhaps even provoking anger and name-calling and general ugliness.

It's obvious enough that these sorts of discussions are allowed here which proves the point that these things can be openly discussed, but that we don't have anything to prove about that anymore and can get back to the Love part of this revolution.

Love Always Wins. . .but we have to keep practicing!

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We need MORE Anti-Socialist Posts

We need MORE Anti-Socialists Posts :

Why Socialism Failed
http://www.dailypaul.com/266202/why-socialism-failed

We need MORE Anti-Liberals Posts :

The Three Questions That Will Destroy the Arguments of the Left
http://www.dailypaul.com/274697/thomas-sowell-the-difference...

We need MORE Anti-Supermen Posts :

The Superman Idea
http://www.dailypaul.com/277502/the-utter-fallacy-of-the-sup...

We need MORE Anti-Veil Posts :

That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen - Credit
http://www.dailypaul.com/274028/frederic-bastiats-that-which...

We need MORE Anti-DEATH Posts :

DEMOCIDE : Death by Government
http://www.dailypaul.com/253314/democide-death-by-government

We need MORE Anti-Fraud Posts :

Bank Fraud in 10 Minutes
http://www.dailypaul.com/275696/bank-fraud-in-ten-minutes

Peter Schiff Responds to Paul FRAUD Krugman
http://www.dailypaul.com/273083/peter-schiff-responds-to-pau...

We need MORE Anti-Moral Hazard Posts :

The Economics of Disaster
http://www.dailypaul.com/275716/the-economics-of-disaster-by...

We need MORE Anti-Blindness Posts :

Ron Paul's Predictions in Due Time
http://www.dailypaul.com/263613/ezekiel-332-6-is-more-curren...

...

and on.

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Anti Socialist???" Jews have

Anti Socialist???
" Jews have been prominently identified with the modern Socialist movement from its very inception"..."The Jewish exodus from Russia drafted to the United States large numbers of Socialists, mostly college and university students, who must be reckoned among the pioneers of the Socialist parties in America. Their main field of activity was the ghetto. But the masses of Jewish workmen and tradesmen who were educated by this propaganda scattered throughout the country in pursuit of employment or business opportunities and became "the pedlers of socialism" among their shopmates and neighbors" Jewish Encyclopedia
Scrolling down just a little we see that they have several paragraphs on their very own Karl Marx and his socialist ideas...

Indeed, even Jesus was fighting Socialism, though it had not yet been given that name. In 264BC the nation of Judah declared tithing to be mandatory by law. These tithes were then taxes, as a tithe is not mandatory but a free will offering. Jesus said that this socialism made the word of God to no effect.

"Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say , If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered : and many such like things do ye" Mark 7:10-13

Judah had long before Jesus set up a system of socialism to rival any of our modern day. Korban was a system of Social Security whereby your grown children could dedicate their property to the Temple (government) at a future time, but maintain usage of it in the mean time. And then to their parents, "so, I can't take care of you in your old age, THIS belongs to the Temple", so their parents became dependents of the Temple. THIS socialism made the word of God to no effect, the Children no longer "Honored" their parents, and the Temple approved of it. Of course with the Temples "approval" they were obviously not at risk of disapproval from God. Certainly the Temple (government) had become their God...

For well over 2000 years the people of Judah have been socialist, though it was not called socialism. It only stands to reason that they would be at the front of the modern socialist movement.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

good job! Keep it up and

good job! Keep it up and continue the expose.

It is a known fact that many anti-Semites have

mental dependency on the Jew. They think and talk about Jews all the time. Inferiority brings forward their anxiety and mental dependency. That is why some feel the urge to talk about the collective on supposedly individualistic movement website. If Catholics in France are not respnsible for Leon Panetta and Janet Napoletano, why Zionist Argentinian Jews are responsible for Obama or Bush? If a rich Christian man cannot always control his wife, relatives or neighbors, how come a rich Jew can?

If you look closely, you will see that anti-Semites are similar to black racists with inferiority complex who think and talk about "evil white man" all the time. Such a black man sees white men wherever he looks, especially among rich.

It is a known fact the Liberty_First

cannot decipher the difference between a politcial ideology and a religion. He thinks anti-zionism is the same as being anti-jewish (not mentioning not knowing the real definition of a Semite). His need to defend Zionism as if it was Judaism shows his anxiety and mental dependency on memes inculcated by his indoctrination. This is why he feels a need to talk about others in terms that misrepresents what they say.

If you look closely, you will see that anti-Zionists are not against a race or religion, but against an ideology that spans races and religions. Which is why many Jews are also anti-Zionists.

You are simply confused from poor education

First, it was your local progressive school, then youtube clips.

A Libertarian man defends individual liberty. Such liberty allows other people freedom to separate themselves from the rest if they choose to. Therefore, Libertarians cannot have any problem with Zionism. Surely, Blue Republicans, populists and progressives can. Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not about individual rights - it is groups demand conflict for the land.

Lastly, use dictionary to improve your basic knowledge. "Semite" and "anti-Semite" historically have different meaning. There are always two separate entries in a dictionary. Prefix anti- does not carry its usual meaning here.

Assumption and insults

are what you always revert to when you are shown the fool. I appreciate your consistant ignorance...it deserves applause no doubt.

But your defense of a violent, murderous, and criminal ideology under the banner of libertarian doesnt hold water. Its up to you to discover how and why. If you chose not to and resort to assumption and insult is your choice. it bothers me none.

Clever, pushing emotions, again

I thought you can forcus on the topic. So what was that Semite vs anti-Semite argument of yours?

I can forcus on whatever you like

My main forcus is that your arguments dont work. Liberty isnt a defense of Zionism.

Is that forcused enough for you?