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Planned Parenthood advocates post-birth abortion

...in instances where an abortion has failed to terminate the pregnancy and the child is born alive.

Read more and watch the video at the link here: www.wnd.com/2013/03/planned-parenthood-lobbies-for-post-birt...

My question: At what point does a child gain rights that others should not infringe upon?

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Ramblings of a psycopath.

Ramblings of a psycopath.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

so do dictators...

...are we trying to find out if the Liberty movement is left/right on social issues?

The Department of Homeland Security gets MORE funding than planned parenthood; and their "customers" won't be voluntarily be travelling to their facilities!

Is abortion merely a social issue?

If the child is left out of the equation and it's just between the Doctor and the woman then sure, she should have a right to do whatever she wants with her body.

That being said, things change once you begin to factor the child in. Is it a human being with rights just like everybody else? When are those rights imputed to the child? After birth? 3 months before birth? At conception?

It's easy to logically come to a conclusion on gay marriage from a libertarian perspective. If they aren't hurting anybody and it's consensual, then let them do what they want. It's purely a social issue.

Abortion on the other hand is less hard to nail down for our community since no one can seem to agree on the point when a life has rights that can not be infringed upon. I believe this is a very important question to answer. If we don't have a concrete definition of what life is and when it begins, and ends, then how long before that definition becomes so vague that anybody can be determined as "not alive" and aborted for whatever reason.

Genocide 101 is to dehumanize the target group in the eyes of the greater populace. Then there wont be any outcry against the target groups extermination since they were not "human" or "alive" to begin with. We've seen this happen time and time again in Nazi Germany, Rwanda, etc.

A man's life is not worth more

than a cow, according to P Singer, and he even stated that he would kill 10 cows before he killed one human. This guy belongs in a mental institution!

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

We're not murdering you...

We're aborting you! lol

In an 'overpopulated' world where you're another persons property and their responsibility, abortion can be argued as a humane solution. If you think it's your job to save humanity and the natural world, aborting you becomes a loving act of humanitarianism.

God save us all from a godless humanitarians love.

Did you see the photos of Bill Gates "vaccinating" African kids?

Everyone's smiling and it looks like a big liberal love fest?

HE'S STERILIZING THEM ....

...on the basis that they are "less worthy" to procreate than other humans.

As you adeptly point out, it's a godless humanitarian lovefest. And as you point out, may God save us from those godless "humanitarian" deathbringers.

If to the libertarian atheists here this is not proof of objective evil in the world, I don't know what is. You're blind.

Seems to me that bills of

Seems to me that bills of this sort are pointing out and trying to remedy the conflict of interest inherent in hiring a doctor to kill a fetus and then asking him to save the life he was hired to kill if he messes up and fetus is born alive. Presto, the fetus he was hired to kill becomes a baby he's ethically bound to save. When we hire doctors to kill, we shouldn't be shocked when they run with it. We shouldn't be shocked that we need laws to remind them of their oaths. Creepy slippery slope.

Winners

...of the Chairman Mao Order of Humanity

Plz go to China to pick up your prize ....a limited and personally signed by Mao edition of the Little Red Book and one week all expenses stay at China's most productive abortion facility where you will observe the latest innovations in China of abortions.

donvino

She doesn't even seem to realize

the implications of what she's saying.

I think I've posted this before but the ethics of 'after-birth abortion' has been discussed before and they basically agreed that kids up to the age of three weren't fully formed people and so ethically there's nothing wrong with murdering them (or presumably using them for experimentation/testing products on)

Here's a link:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_natur...

these days 'ethics' seems to be more about how much evil can be excused rather than what's right and what's wrong.

Before Roe v Wade

wise people said that this was part of the slippery slope. They were right, as wise people are.

what a shock!

not

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Evil is not a strong enough

Evil is not a strong enough word for this.

This is the moral question....

When do we start honoring the rights of a person? (Or stop honoring them, for that matter?) If one is free to torture a pre-born child to death, or free to starve someone to death (either Terri Schiavo or an elderly person) do we really have any respect for the rights of others at all?

If we have respect for the rights of the helpless, then we have real respect for rights.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

i cant...

I don't even want to hear evil like this.. Makes me want to post abort the people pushing for this.

Anyone that has ever loved a child would be appalled at the thought of this. Only pure evil would take the life of a child that could live.

What an insane world in which we live.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

That is just so wrong.

Many Asian countries consider a child 1 years old at birth which tells me they recognize that child as a person while in the womb.
Unfortunately, there seem to be two definitions for what's inside a womb - a 'baby' if it's wanted, and a 'fetus' if its not wanted.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison