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Dr Ben Carson compares homosexuality to beastiality.




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I agree with you

But the whole point of people saying "Homosex is present all over nature." isn't for sanitary rationalizations, but natural rationalization.

PS: The vagina, as you know, is also used for urinal purposes - now I understand that fecal matter on a scale, is less sanitary and more "gross" than urine, but gays typically aren't scat lovers and to my knowledge are as clean as possible in this regard.

Wow, re-reading that...the acronym that floats into my head is "TMI."

He he, its amazing how many

He he, its amazing how many men I have heard make this same claim. I guess they never really investigated these things very closely.

Women pee out of their

Women pee out of their urethra just like men, not out of their vaginas.

Is the urethra not

Inside of the vagina?

The vagina contains the vestibule, labium minus, labium majus, and urethral orifice - does it not?

"The vagina, as you know, is

"The vagina, as you know, is also used for urinal purposes"

Are you a virgin, perhaps?

lmao.......

lmao.......

Since when does having sex

Since when does having sex automatically make a person knowledgeable on anatomy?

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

What about that phrase makes me a virgin?

Or are you just unaware of female anatomy?

I suggest you learn some

I suggest you learn some anatomy before you go spouting off at the mouth. There are multiple people here telling you that you're wrong.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

A urinal is a device.

This device is commonly used to urinate into from a body part called a urethra. This process is called urination.

bible-believing pastors do too...

...but we've "progressed" past a belief in a HOLY Creator who hates sin, and won't allow it into His heaven, right?

Narrow-minded, intolerant, hate-filled bigots aren't we? We contribute nothing, and know not the difference between right and wrong, do we?

Oh yeah, and we're anti-liberty too...there is no reason to be disgusted by the unnatural sexual acts that gays engage in, let's glorify it and promote it and tell our children its normal; so America will prosper once again!

Now we know what is holding us back, free speech against "minority" viewpoints and behaviors; like those of the ruling elite...they're in the minority too. The laws of nature's God are indeed OFFENSIVE to the sinner, the disobedient, the HATERS of God; time to exterminate us who preach it and teach it and "delight in the law of the Lord" once again in human history, don't ya think?

There's a difference

Jesus would preach that being gay is a sin, but he wouldn't demonize people for it. He wouldn't look at gays in disgust, call them fags, or treat them differently than anyone else. And he certainly wouldn't focus on homosexuality as if it were more sinful than any other sin.

When your opinion has an effect on how others live their lives via force or law, that's when you're anti-liberty.

How do you know?

How do you know what Jesus would do?

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

Have you ever heard the phrase

"What would Jesus do?"

I'm sure you have. Because when you were a child and you did something wrong your Father or Mother might have asked you, "What would Jesus do?" And you'd know the answer - just as I do. Jesus was a tolerant person, not oppressive as many of the Christians are today. He understood that in order for people to seek his path he had to be example. There's a line between restricting your child from actions and telling them of the negative effects to be wrought from them. Restricting them usually means rebellion. Jesus was more respectful, more understanding, more loving than today's Christians.

Anti-gay Christians are adding fuel to the fire.

Christ was OBEDIENT unto His Father...

...unto death...

He granted forgiveness to those who REPENTED of their sin; not those who who went on sinning with a cavalier attitude; read the parable of the seed and the sower and tell me WHO the Christians are exactly.

Your argument would insinuate

That all gays pursue a gay lifestyle until death. Have you considered that many gays have also repented?

Have you taken into consideration that homosexuality is not listed under the 10 commandments, the most sacred of sins?

therefore man has been granted the "liberty"...

...to engage in the unnatural and destructive; and governments have a MANDATE to protect and promote it?

Seriously, do not comment on what God means if you don't know Him or recognize His authority over His creation...it is your choice to reject Him, but to school Christians, or, encourage them to "take liberties" is futile.

That sort of logic is the same as saying "Social Security is not in the Constitution....so....."

No

You see, while you think the government has the right to restrict them, I say the government doesn't. I don't think that the government has the right to "mandate to protect and promote it." The government shouldn't be involved. It's a personal choice, not your choice, not my choice, and not the governments choice.

That's the entire point of liberty - freedom of choice.

Are you sure you're on the right site? You seem to misunderstand even the most basic tenants of freedom.

I honestly think this is a hill worth dying on...

This movement's hellbent mission to embrace homosexuality is it's lack of credibility with aggravated conservatives who like Ron Paul's fiscal positions...don't give me the "what Jesus would do/say to a homosexual" scenario! The homosexual, like the rich man, would seek out Christ and his forgiveness in HUMILITY.

Sad, that someone has to spell it out....A gay man takes his own, or another man's erect penis, and puts it where it DOESN'T BELONG; that's disgusting...that is a major psychological disconnect!!!! Same thing with the gay woman; she "...did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" Have you ever seen a homosexual activist mock, ridicule, or lash out violently at a street preacher? Have you seen a REAL Christian do the same to the homosexual?

There's no guilt or remorse on the part of the Christian who WARNS the homosexual that his self-first attitude and behavior will earn him/her eternal separation from their Creator; and it sickens me that this liberty movement is so desperate for numbers now that they'll tell the Christians how to be Christians if they want a piece of liberty YOU guys achieve; and if we want in, we best cave on our "antiquated" dogma!

Medically, morally, there's NO problem with it....really?? Don't judge, right? Put the Christian in a fish bowl and tell them God doesn't hate certain things....anyone read Matthew 23? Is expressing the obvious, to induce shame, really "force"?

What is the matter with people who don't think that normalizing this behavior invites the WRATH of God? Does this nation have a HISTORY? A moral one? We screwed up, right?

You guys go your "tolerant" ways; make up your own Jesus, take all tye religions of the world and put them in the religion pool....we know the churches have....zero standards, an inherent right not to be offended, this is the basis for liberty? And how do we discern evil then, judge accordingly, and administer justice or draft laws that govern the protection of life and property?

There's nothing to deter, right? Just covetousness, greed, and envy that leads to theft, usury, and class warfare....but gee, what was the origin of men scribing opinions and laws shaming and discouraging such evil in the hearts of men?

There is a SPLIT, it is destroying this movement from within, and I'm not the least bit afraid to point it out! If these are my last words on the Daily Paul, so be it!

I really enjoyed your 'rant'

From Ron Paul's Farewell Speech:
"Benjamin Franklin claimed “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” John Adams concurred: “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”"

http://www.fairfieldsuntimes.com/articles/2013/01/01/opinion...

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

There is a split in the movement

And you're part of the cause. God created free will for a reason and it wasn't so people like yourself would dictate others' behaviors.

You're more than welcome to your opinions on homosexuality, but if you are willing to enforce your opinions on others you are no Christian and you're not a liberty minded individual. Only God has the authority as judge, jury, and executioner. It's not your responsibility to earmark or judge people for their sins.

Ron Paul teaches that freedom is not approval of individuals' actions, but tolerance of them. I believe Jesus would agree.

How do you feel about nihilism?

"if you are willing to enforce your opinions on others you are no Christian and you're not a liberty minded individual."

Is liberty in your opinion a good thing and worth defending? If not, don't ever pretend you stand with the Lord of equality and love and don't pretend to be a liberty minded person. Your opinion and moral code amount to nothing because you won't defend a principle worth defending.

"Only God has the authority as judge, jury, and executioner. It's not your responsibility to earmark or judge people for their sins."

So we should turn a blind eye to slavery, murder, rape, and injustice? You're perfectly capable of judging whether your liberty is being taken by force, and if not, why are you even here talking about it?

Defending liberty is the only justice mankind is capable of serving or judging, yet many refuse to because they want what injustice offers. They choose nihilism rather than justice, but it still won't get rid of the injustice. All you need to do to create injustice is fan the flames of mans covetous nature.

JFK, speaking on secret societies: "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on 'covet means' to further it's sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources in the building of a tightly knit highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned. No secret is revealed. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy."

If you don't believe in GOD, & if you don't believe in the

Bible, & if you don't have fear about the life-after, then, fine! Go ahead, do your own thing! But, let's get one thing straight. The homosexual lobby groups are the ones shoving things down our throats, not the other way around.

H--ll, I can't even remember the last time I heard a "hell fire & brimstone" sermon. They've been almost non-existant for decades now, & that goes for the Protestant churches, as well as the Catholic ones.

You're right. God WILL judge in the end, and you will believe in him, when you die. But, to castigate God's commands on how to live a righteous life is blasphemy against God, not us.

I would like you who object to the 'normal' crowd to consider the following:

Why wouldn't the Evil Banker Billionaire Elites want to destroy our cultural fabric of our society? Of course they would! You have to agree that our Christian beliefs, which include those toward sodomy, etc., have been rooted for CENTURIES, not only in America, but in Europe, too. If you can agree with this FACT,then, stop & think why Warren Buffet & Bill Gates & the rest of the NWO crowd want to convince everybody that we have a population problem? Might they be pushing sodomy adoption to curb population? Or would it be also to gain more people to vote for them? Who knows!

Why would they be spewing forth climate change stuff, when we here at DP know that the global warming or climate change crap is just that---CRAP. Why would they do this, too?

Why are they attempting to steal 40% of people's money like the Cypriots? Why would they do this?? Think.

Devaluing our money---the Federal Reserve has been doing this systematically since 1913? Why would they do this?? We could all be living RICHER than the Swiss by now!!

The fact is they are doing everything, so that they will have more power over all of us. They don't care how they do it. They don't care who they hurt! They don't care about our boys who lose their lives in these stupid wars. They don't care if the dollar is devalued to the point that women had to start working, as after WWII, because isn't it convenient that with everyone working full-time, they didn't have enough time to find out what exactly these elites were up to. They don't care if we struggle.

They will steal our money & Cyprus was just the 'test'...soon, it may morph into some other form here in the US.

But, my whole point in bringing this up is that these elites will stop at NOTHING to undermine our culture. Think about it. If they are successful in bringing down the family unit & destroying our cultural values which they are in the process of doing, they will have effectively neutralized our ability to fight back. Since they are obsessed about population controls, they are pushing the propaganda about homosexuals, so as to promote THEIR AGENDA, not the homosexuals agenda. Biden, Pelosi, and all the rest are all hypocrites. They go to the Pope's ceremony, when they are NOT in communion with the Church. Pope Francis believes just the way I do & as so many others do. He HAS to be aware that there is a massive effort in America to brainwash the masses into thinking this behavior is "ok". He loves the sinner, but not the sin, and that's how most of us feel. I feel very badly for those who are caught up in that decadence. Many were abused when they were little kids. Many were runaways and drugged, and ended up being trapped in that situation. There is no easy answer.

But, it is NOT religion that is shoving things down the sodomites throats. It's the OTHER way around today.

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Is liberty in your opinion a good thing and worth defending? If not, don't ever pretend you stand with the Lord of equality and love and don't pretend to be a liberty minded person. Your opinion and moral code amount to nothing because you won't defend a principle worth defending.

If your definition of defending liberty is disallowing people from living their life the way they see fit, then we have completely different views on liberty.

So we should turn a blind eye to slavery, murder, rape, and injustice? You're perfectly capable of judging whether your liberty is being taken by force, and if not, why are you even here talking about it?

No, because slavery, murder, rape, and "injustice" (depending on the injustice being done) are forms of harm to another person.
Does gay marriage include slavery? No.
Does it include murder? No.
Does it include rape? No.
Does it include injustice? No.

Gay marriage includes two consenting adults of the same sex. They're neither harming nor defaming anyone.

Are you capable of judging the truth or not?

"If your definition of defending liberty is disallowing people from living their life the way they see fit, then we have completely different views on liberty."

Who in their right mind could try and pass that off as a legitimate thought? Nobody who's being honest...

If the way you choose to live your life is to be a slaver, a murderer, and a rapist I have no problem whatsoever disallowing you your choices and meeting you with force. I will take your liberty. I will judge your actions as unjust.

Like I said many times; you're eventually going to have to defend your principles or else become an immoral man with no integrity and no moral code, a nihilist.

Again... How do you feel about nihilism? Do you believe you can get rid of injustice by pretending it doesn't exist and there is no objective basis for truth?

Are you capable of judging the truth or not? We're not supposed to judge people right?

Did you even read what I wrote?

Liberty encompasses all things as long as you don't harm or defame anyone.
Being a slaver, murderer, and/or rapist is outside the realm of liberty as they fall under the category of harming someone.

Gay marriage does not.

Am I being clear enough?

No, I don't believe in nihilism.

Gay marriage is a social issue, not a violent one. If you dislike gay marriage my suggestion is to not engage in it.

Of course I did.

You haven't been at all clear, or truthful.

You want to talk about defaming a person?

"If your definition of defending liberty is disallowing people from living their life the way they see fit, then we have completely different views on liberty."

"If" - This is a what somebody says when they want to put words into your mouth. Did you really believe that nonsense when it came out of yours, or was it just some BS statement you needed to throw out there so you could pretend to make a point?

"if you are willing to enforce your opinions on others you are no Christian and you're not a liberty minded individual."

Again, I'm more than willing to enforce my opinion on others when it comes to liberty, and your words keep implying that you aren't.

"Only God has the authority as judge, jury, and executioner. It's not your responsibility to earmark or judge people for their sins."

See, this isn't clear at all, because now you're saying you aren't capable of judging a slaver, a murderer and a rapist. Which is it? Are you capable of judging what's just and unjust or aren't you? Will you know the truth, and when you do, what are you going to do about it?

It implies that you're a nihilist, and there are plenty of Godless nihilists here who think they can put off justice until they're dead, and that's because they don't think justice will ever catch up to them. Mans justice is nothing compared to Gods.

What's your definition

of liberty? I'd love to hear it.

Are you sure?

Liberty is a word describing a state of self ownership, to live without being ruled, and the foundation justice is built upon is liberty. To serve justice is to impose a negation upon injustice. I have no problem imposing a negation upon slavers, murderers, rapists and injustice.

Serving justice is not about ruling you, or having dominion over you. It's about defending you against those who would. You have a right to your liberty, and that which threatens it is mans covetous nature.

To "covet" is to unjustly want, and that's where injustice comes from. There are really only two purposes to use violence, both collectively and what you can generate on your own, and that's to either take what you covet, or defend yourself against those who would. You can't get rid of injustice by turning a blind eye to it. A covetous person has already chosen violence. You can only do your best to oppose them without declaring dominion over people and becoming a tool of injustice yourself.

It really is an almost impossible task to believe people have any chance against those who know to manipulate them. All you need to do to control covetous people is keep offering them what they unjustly want, and the world will soon be yours.

Some may think that liberty opposes faith, and to advocate liberty is to rebel against God, but to give yourself to God, you must first posses that which you offer. I can't force you to submit to God, and if he wanted your blind submission he would show himself. He would reveal himself. You'd bow down begging for his love and forgiveness. It doesn't matter that you were his to destroy from the beginning. He offered you free will.

What you'll do with it is where things get interesting.

I also don't think liberty opposes faith

But for a different reason. You see, without liberty you aren't free to pursue a religion of your choice or lack thereof. Many religious people do see liberty as a threat to faith for that exact same reason, but if it was a different faith being enforced to their own, that's when it would get scary for them.

Now, I ask, where does gay marriage fit into your category of non-liberty?