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Daily Paul or Daily Religion?

I am religious, but that is not why I come to the Daily Paul.

I don't understand why a lot of posts lately are explaining Christianity. Fighting amongst each other. I think it's dumb. It creates division. The liberty community should be accepting. Now I may be alone voice in this argument, but may I remind you so was Dr. Ron Paul. And know his voice has been made clear.

Oh, how I miss him in Congress and questioning Ben Bernanke.



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Straight rules.

Very safe response. So will you teach your children that homosexuality is good or bad? Treating people like human beings was not the question. Christ taught to treat sinners as human beings regardless of their sin. When the prostitute from the story in the bible was about to be stoned, Christ saved her and told her accusers to judge not or be judged. However, he did not say to the woman that prostitution was lawful, instead he told her to go and sin no more.

As for question #2, I agree she has the right to deny service, but then is it fair to punish a different kind of business person with slavery if they have concepts against individuals for which they dislike? Personally I think it is stupid to discriminate against a persons skin color, religion or age, but shouldn't I apply the same rule, to judge not or be judged, and instead teach that it is wrong?

grant

welp

Well as a Non-Christian I view homosexuality more as a sexual orientation, and very little to do with Ethics.

#2- NO, what is fair about slavery and punishment for denying sex to a particular individual or group there of?

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

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Good question, especially #2

Are prostitutes subject to discrimination laws??? Good question.

I would think that the morality of homosexuality would be a parents decision as to what to teach their kids. As far as what goes in school curriculums.... we'll see

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

This wonderful site (thanks Michael)

is made up of:

Believers and non-believers
Whites and people of colour
Homosexuals and heterosexuals
Yankees, Southerners, and Westerners
Normal people (me) and weird people (y'all)lol
Liberals, conservatives, and libertarians
Serious people and jokesters
True members and TROLLS (yuck, barf)
And on and on.....

Let everyone post whatever they want, you can either not read a post, or you can downvote it, and Blast the post in the comments. Along with Liberty comes having to put up with people you don't like or with whom you don't agree.

The main thing to remember is that when it comes to supporting a liberty issue or liberty candidate, we will all (except those divisive Trolls) forget our differences and support that candidate or issue with all of our hearts. Remember, these are the folks you choose to be with---- and, You Gotta Love The Ones You're With.

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DITTO.

DITTO.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Yesterday was Easter Sunday

We just went through Holy Week and you don't have a clue why we are disscussing religion?

The Liberty Movement has been in-fighting since it attempted to replaced the rEVOLution with the idea that we can be like Neos and take over more than one party to evangelize Ron Paul.

Have you checked out Ron Paul's podcasts? Notice they are IGNORED here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/280338/ron-pauls-podcast-nation-01-...
http://www.dailypaul.com/279207/ron-pauls-3-22-2013-podcast-...

Furthermore, while you see fighting, I have been making more friends.

Peace be with you.

Thanks for the podcast!

Thanks for the podcast!

My relationship to Christ is Center to my Life

so my perspective comes from that Center. It is who I am.

Honesty, I also feel the need when I perceive an attack, or there is a Biblical misunderstanding, or question to try to help out the best I can. I certainly am not an expert but I like to share what I have been given.

My goal in sharing my faith or Biblical perspective is never to divide, but to try to give understanding from my point of view. I don't see non-Christians as enemies, but as those with whom I am called to follow the Golden Rule when interacting.

That being said, I appreciate it when others share their perspectives with me. I have learned loads from Friends of Liberty here at the Daily Paul, and appreciate the efforts that have been directed in my behalf.

Ron Paul said Liberty is a big Umbrella. I think that gives us a reason to celebrate, not manipulate or disparage those Friends of Liberty we have the privilege of bumping into here at the DP.

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I Predict that Topics on the Daily Paul Will Diverge Even More

I think it's only natural that the topics will wander off into "non-Ron Paul" territory here now that Ron Paul is no longer running for President and now is not even in political office. Ron Paul attracted a huge diverse crowd unified only by the theme of liberty.

So with that divergence becoming more prominent as Ron's campaign came to an end I can only hope that the Daily Paul will still be a good resource for the freedom movement in spite of what appears to be chaff mixing in here.

I was like you, FreedomLover2012, amazed at the divisiveness on one thread titled "I am confused. Is Mormonism Christianity?". So much so I answered the question as best as I could then added in some trivia I know about that I thought Daily Paul readers ought to consider that shows our common ground. Then I concluded by putting a call out to end the divisiveness and regain what our focus should be. See how I approached that here (do key word search within the article "bloatedtoad"):

http://www.dailypaul.com/241848/i-am-confused-is-mormonism-c...

Anyway I know the bankers who control our country thrive on divisiveness. We really need to find a way to get above that. So yes subjects will diverge more and more; religion, bitcoin (another fiat currency), people asking for personal advice, and on and on. However, maybe we can enter these threads and say something that can still advance the cause of liberty. It can actually be fun to try to get people to refocus on the purpose of this site. Look at what I did here on this fun but very "non-Paul" thread (again key word search "bloatedtoad"):

http://www.dailypaul.com/266507/what-is-your-favorite-music-...

After all liberty does invite a little more chaos just like what we're witnessing here on the Daily Paul but there are creative ways to work "with it" to advance the cause for which the Daily Paul was created in the first place.

-Bloatedtoad

You're probably right, and therein lies the strategy

We all knew that an infiltrate, divide and conquer strategy was going to be played. If we are not careful and fall back into the paradigm of lesser important issues that divide, rather than coalesce around a few of the big unifying ones like liberty, financial terrorism, big pharma and food control, then we will be doomed again.

welcome to life in the Republican arena

To be fair, where would the Republican party be today if not for the efforts and public relations skills of the party warhawks and Bible thumpers over the past 3 or 4 decades? It really is difficult to understand where the general public gets this impression Republicans are greedy, gun toting, bible thumping, warhawks. I suppose the "liberal media" is where to lay ALL of the blame.


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I totally agree

and I am a Christian Pastor. I don't expect everyone to accept Christianity or agree with me and I don't appreciate it when people disrespect and belittle my beliefs.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

liberty

It's nice that the Daily Paul practices it's view on liberty by not being tyrannical on its forums. A lot of other forums would remove accounts for silly arbitrary reasons.

I think a lot of the religious explanations are in response to misrepresentations. Religion is a part of politics whether we like it or not, and because of that, it will be spun for political gain just like news. I think explanatory responses are appropriate in the presence of spin. It's not uncommon for secular news agencies to cover religious topics around religious holidays.

Dude yesterday was easter.

By the way they just Gave James Holmes the death penalty. McViegh style.

Senator Peter Schiff 2016

Are you kidding?

What do you think worshipping Ron Paul's political career is, if not religious?

"Ron Paul introduced liberty to the world, so vote for him!"

Spot the non sequitur. Oh, and also: as if he introduced any such thing.

We can determine the solution

We can determine the solution to any of life's situations by simply answering the question, "WHAT WOULD RON PAUL DO?'.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Based on the differences between those down-votes

I am assuming that many people believe your comment to be earnest. I want you to know that I got the joke.

Now that you know my thoughts you will sleep better. Ha.

There is One Truth at the core of all Religions

those who have yet to accept this as a revision (or upgrade) of their beliefs, remain trapped in the illusion of division and will argue and fight accordingly. Rather than seeing the MANY common threads running through all the major Religions on this planet, leading an individual to the Truth that these are mere cultural metaphors expressed in their respective cultural traditions, many people have accepted these Metaphors as the Truth itself.

It's like fans of the NY Yankees arguing with Boston White Sox fans about which team "Really" plays baseball, rather than seeing that they're all a part of the same game being played. Yeah, that analogy doesn't make much sense but it fits just the same.

Engage all topics with kindness, even if you hold different views. Come together in acceptance of your differences rather than letting Trolls continue their methods of divisiveness amongst you.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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i can agree with that

and might add this,
if the story of the tower of babel is to be believed
then this might have been the point in time where
everyone started talking a different language.
The ones who spoke the same moved to their own countries
but not everyone knows all,so each group had a bit of truth
If this is truth,then most major religions have a bit of real truth
but not all of it.
this would also mean that every religion out there is wrong,or at least
not all right,as they only have partial truth,so they do not teach nor can they teach truth
This is for each one of us to decide,on our own
Love is an emotion as well as an energy field,the more love (energy)
one has the purer their aura is
the more love in the world there is,the less fighting,wars,gangs ect ect there will be
in the end energy is all there is left
hope you didn't mind my rant
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Thank you, deacon.

I never mind an addition to the conversation. Rant on!

Let me take a really weird way to analogize my thoughts here, but consider the human body's need of protein. Many cultures have quite different "foods" to obtain this protein. Some may eat meat, others eat plants, still other may eat insects rich in proteins. To me, I would rule that eating insects was the "wrong" way to obtain this protein, likewise that culture may consider it a sin for me to eat a steak.

So again, we are on this very thin edge of what's "right" and what is "wrong" where the truth is all methods provide protein.

Deeper down, yes, all is energy. Love is Creation. We are All Love in human form. And those who know it, yet seek to keep it to themselves, seek FEAR as a tool to keep these Truths behind the veil. I suppose if this was successful, conversations like this would not be possible.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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analyzing

proteins as you put it are not all created the same
while some tastes good upon chewing turn to bile later
the real "protein" as you put it,goes down hard at times, but
remains sweet after swallowing
some proteins only sustain for a bit,while others sustain
and remain,never to hinder nor leave,but leaves a body
and the energy better off,and also stronger
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

There you have it

Not all religions are "digested" equally among men. But each does provide some food for the soul.

Thanks a lot, deacon, now I'm starving ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I really don't know how you

I really don't know how you can make that statement with any truth unless you know every religion in the world. Nitpicking I know, but I'm a stickler when it comes to accuracy.

I'll tell you how

I made that statement because of what I've learned from reading books, watching documentaries, listening to lectures, etc., etc., about these subjects has lead me to MY OWN views that there are Deep Truths at the foundations of Most (not all) Major Religions. I'm talking mostly about the Esoteric (hidden or deep) Truths rather than the Exoteric (exterior - cultural traditions) that most people fight over to this day.

To understand the Deep Truths (Esoteric) the individual must seek this knowledge out themselves for it is their own WILL to learn these Truths that will give them the means by which to understand them. If one's mind is sealed and not open to new (or hidden) information, they cannot change their beliefs.

However, the Cultural Similarities are right out in the open and can be the starting point for a person's quest to get to THEIR understanding of Truth. For example, the "divine birth through a virgin mother" precedes Christianity by many Religions such as in India, which has a number of messengers who were divinely conceived and two of them bore the name “Chrishna” or “Chrishna the Saviour” (note the similarity with Christ). Now Chrishna was born of a chaste virgin called Devaki, Who on account of her purity was selected to become the mother of God.

Buddha was considered and believed by his followers to have been begotten of God and born of a virgin whose name was Maya. Long before the Christian era, we read of how the divine power called the” Holy Ghost” descended upon virgin Maya. In ancient Chinese version of the story, the holy ghost is called Shing-Shin.

The Siamese (Taiwan), had a God and saviour who was Virgin Born whom they called Codom. In this very ancient story, the beautiful Virgin had been informed in advance that she was to become the mother of a great messenger of God, and one day while in her usual period of meditation and prayer, she was impregnated by divine sun beams. When the boy was born, he grew up in a remarkable manner, became a protégé of wisdom and performed miracles.

When the first Jesuit priest visited china, they wrote in their reports at finding a heathen religion of that country, of a story of a redeeming saviour who was born of a Virgin and divinely conceived. The God was said to have been born 3468 B.C (before Christ), his name was Lao-Tsze and was said to have been born of a virgin black in complexion and as beautiful as a Jasper.

In Egypt, long before the Christian era, and before any of its doctrine was conceived, the Egyptian people had several messengers of God, who were conceived through Immaculate Conception. Horus was known to all of ancient Egypt as having been born of the virgin Isis and his conception and birth was considered one of the three great mysteries or mystical doctrines of the Egyptian religion. To then every incident in connection with the conception and birth of Horus was pictured, sculptured, adored and worshiped as the incidents of the conception and birth of Jesus is among the Christians today. Another Egyptian God called Ra was also conceived by a Virgin.

Many other similarities such as the death and rebirth 3 days later are also common Exoteric threads. It's actually quite liberating to know that essentially we (humans) are all right, we just have many beautiful cultural metaphors for understanding the Divine Truth in our own unique ways. We can finally stop these fights and arguments once and for all.

And this INCLUDES Atheists as well who generally fall back on Science to prove (or disprove) the existence of a "God" where countless studies are showing that an "intelligent field" exists at the core of all sub-atomic particles. I refer to this field as consciousness (or spirit/soul).

It took me a while to make peace with these findings as it naturally conflicted with me growing up in a very christian european family. I see how LOVE is also a common (if not THE common principle) at the core of these Teachings. Dive deeper into understanding what LOVE is as an emotional state of being, achieved through prayer or meditation, and you begin to see through these false divisive veils placed on the common man.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Not exactly.

Almost all of these claims that you just made, if understandable, are based on VERY broad interpretations of certain words, and often outright fabrication. While there are many religions with a passing, superficial resemblance to Christianity, the core doctrines are utterly different. Take a look at this site, it addresses it all very thoroughly in different essays:

http://www.tektonics.org/copycathub.html

Most religions have utterly different core doctrines, with some similarity in non-critical tenets - the opposite of what you said in your post. I realize that this is defeating the point of the OP's thread, but quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing this claim.

By the way, FN, I'm not accusing you of dishonesty at all - it's all too easy to cite bogus "facts" by accident. I've done it myself plenty as well, and do my best to correct it when I find out.

Quite true, however...

You are still speaking of Exoteric doctrines that are the external traditions by which Religious institutions function, which you are correct, are very different.

The Deep Truths, which I have NOT mentioned here as I see this as a largely subjective and personal "knowing" to come to, are really ONE.

There comes a time for those who seek the Truth where words no longer teach but it is the personal experiences a person goes through that truly teach. There are many "hands-on" practices that allow a person to be in a state of clearer "seeing" and understanding. From my experience it took about 2-3 years for the "larger picture" to sink in, which is why it is unrealistic to try to examine it in a single post thread.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

What deeper truths?

I believe I see where you're coming from; the majority of the world's religions have the same basic morality, if that's what you're referring to.

As far as that goes, I agree completely; according to the Apostle Paul, the Law of God is written on the hearts of all people. That does not, however, mean that "all religions are basically the same." There are tremendous differences in core doctrine.

Likewise, one guy - Cicero, maybe? I don't recall - said, "Nature herself has imprinted on the minds of all the idea of God." There are many overarching truths that most religions agree on, but that does *not* mean that they are all right.

If I am mistaken, please define "deeper truths."

Let me answer... by providing no answer.

(Say Whaaa?)

What you are asking is akin to asking how a movie ends, without knowing the beginning, or the middle, any of the characters involved, the setting, the genre, and so on. We are all eager for an "answer" to these subjects.

So my answer to you, from my own experience, is that the answer comes from YOUR experience alone. My words relating to MY experience have no meaning to YOU.

As I began this journey, I came across many teachers who spoke the answers as clearly as they could, yet I did not hear their words at that time. I realized that it was ME who needed to experience things myself to know what these "answers" mean to me. And only then could I "know" the meaning of their teachings.

The Deep Truth is that you and only YOU can answer these questions. I know this may seem like a copout answer, but it takes time and experience to learn to swim or ride a bike even though we are eager to master these skills. But likewise, when we eat a delicious desert, we do not wish to take the first bite only to jump to the last bit we swallow. We want to experience the deliciousness of all that's in between.

If you are sincere in your quest for the answers you seek, you will find them.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Well,

Amen to that! Thank you, Freedom Ninja.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox