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Daily Paul or Daily Religion?

I am religious, but that is not why I come to the Daily Paul.

I don't understand why a lot of posts lately are explaining Christianity. Fighting amongst each other. I think it's dumb. It creates division. The liberty community should be accepting. Now I may be alone voice in this argument, but may I remind you so was Dr. Ron Paul. And know his voice has been made clear.

Oh, how I miss him in Congress and questioning Ben Bernanke.




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My absolute pleasure, Nonna!

:)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I don't want to ban or censor anything, but . . .

I'm tired of the divisions and the labeling--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

And what's the alternative?

Seriously, did you ever think for one second that in a world of liberated humans everyone would suddenly start seeing eye to eye on everything?

"One of us" is the problem, it is the mistaken reasoning.

You have a choice

We certainly wouldn't want to institute bans on religious or atheistic posts, right? Most posts of either bent are easily recognizable after the first few sentences. So rather than being offended by every little nuance of Christianity or Atheism (that's a religion, too, by the way), just move on to something else. We should have learned by now that conversion to either belief is not going to happen on the Daily Paul. So why divide and splinter the movement even further? Both sides are correct in their claims that the other side can be offensive, vicious, and just plain nasty in trying to argue their points. So no one wins! Although I am a Christian who believes that "God" played and integral part in the forming of our Constitution (in other words, God is referred to many times in the writings of our Founders), and I would hope that someday the non-believers would become believers, I don't visit the Daily Paul with the goal of turning everyone into a Christian. And I would guess that most of the Atheists and Agnostics who visit here don't come here to turn people in their direction, either. But, we're only human, so we get attracted to these controversial topics like bugs to a flame. In the end we run the great risk of destroying each other, and the liberty movement. Some old advice from my dearly departed Mom... if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all. We have many bigger fish to fry that have nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with freedom. Let's pledge to ourselves to work on those.

I think...

...it makes the Daily Paul more interesting to hear folks explain the philosophies behind their political stances. It doesn't bother me at all to see the multitude of agnostic/atheist threads challenging theism or to see theists respond. I don't buy the idea that Dr. Paul would not defend his Christian views if they were directly questioned. He certainly didn't hesitate during the campaign to give speeches elaborating on things like the biblical accounts of the local governing of the Israelites by judges giving way to the centralized authority of a king, etc. More recently, he didn't shy away from quoting Christ's 'He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword' statement in the wake of Chris Kyle's death, reflecting on unintended consequences that ripple out from imprudent foreign policy.

My view is that Liberty is dead if it is not nourished and upheld by something deeper (Love), so I am all for openly discussing, in a polite and courteous manner, what other people see as their own personal wellsprings that drive their visions of Liberty. Stripping that away and leaving mainly discussion of dry, political machinations would be disappointing.

hmmm--

you've got some good thoughts there; thank you--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

My personal belief

Re-post

I believe a Judeo-Christian foundation is what guided the founders and our founding documents. I’m no zealot, but I do think that freedom and morality are both necessary to maintain Liberty. That we can’t just have simply chaotic freedom, nor can we just have theocratic moral law. We are in danger of losing our liberty because we have abandoned our moral foundation. Still, I do not believe that we can create a moral society through the creation of laws and that all too often; we have become a society that treats symptoms instead of diseases. I am concerned with the government intrusion into the church, but am also worried that we (sometimes including myself) have become a nation void of any responsibility to God.

Then stop readin

You don't have to click on any of them. The values of Christianity are embedded in Freedom and the creation of our country. If you have a problem with it, YOU ARE FREE TO NOT CLICK ON IT.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Yup. Couldn't agree more.

Yup. Couldn't agree more.

I'm christian yet I don't

I'm christian yet I don't ever read the religion posts. Here at dailypaul we cannot protect you from stories you click on.

Southern Agrarian

The answer is simple

Many folks here came because Alex Jones said he is a Libertarian or because neo-cons and AIPAC criticized Ron Paul. The first group thought that Ron Paul is fighting greedy bankers, the second group thought that Ron Paul is fighting Zionists. There is another group, Blue Republicans, who assumed that Ron Paul is a pacifist. Most of these folks do not care about free-market capitalism, but some do get excited with anarchy, flouride and Sandy Hook story.

Dr. Paul...

...was speaking about keeping government out of religion; not religion out of public debate, fyi.

Sheesh.....

The OP wasn't trying restrict debate or make our public discussions on religious topics "illegal". They were merely pointing out that the flood of pro-Christian posts in recent weeks is a negative in our movement because they are divisive. Frankly, I agree, and thus must question the motives of those who divide. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter who is right.

Please stop with the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" Syndrome.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

oh my

Did you hear yourself?
"They were merely pointing out that the flood of pro-Christian posts in recent weeks is a negative in our movement because they are divisive."
Pro-Christian posts a negative on 'our' movement? Or 'your' preception of what the movement is? And why do they become divisive? Because there are people on this blog who do not want any religion discussed and comment on posts about religion just to be contentious.
Liberty doesn't discriminate. Liberty is tolerant. Liberty is accepting of everyone's viewpoint.
I would suggest that whoever, and this is mostly for the atheists and agnostics who seem to relish in belittling someone else's faith, stay out of the so-called 'religious' threads so peace may reign here. But I'm not sure those who do that are mature enough to skip those threads.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Agreed!

..And, many of the "religious posts" are just false-flag-ops by those here whose only purpose is this:

(a)To drag this movement down
(b)to infiltrate and discredit

What "they" don't realize is this:

(a) they've been here before
(b) we've dealt with them accordingly (we, meaning the DP community)
(c) they are like candles in the wind.....and given enough time?
......soon extinguish...after distinguishing themselves as the trolls they truly are.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Ron Paul didn't wear his religion on his sleeve

When asked about his religion, he would talk about it. Otherwise, it was a personal matter. He almost never brought the subject up on his own...unlike Santorum and Romney.

Ron Paul also almost never justified a political position by quoting chaper and verse from the Bible. To the extent that he used the Bible, he quoted the Golden Rule.

Two hundred years ago, the Founders were careful to keep the subject of God out of the Constitution. The reason was that government is an imperfect, human-created, institution. If governments were divinely created, then they would be perfect. The Founders wanted to be sure that people understood that God was not responsible for any conflicts or messes that resulted from politics.

As a side-note: that is why there were religious leaders and entire churches that opposed the use of the words "In God We Trust" on money. Love of money is the root of all evil, says the Bible, so it is inappropriate to put His name on a dirty thing like money.

Unless you want to wear your religion on your sleeve for all the world to see. I believe there are Bible passages that deal with that...

You are so right....we all

You are so right....we all need to ask ourselves here (and really this is true of ANY debate amongst ourselves on ANY issue) WHAT WOULD RON PAUL DO?

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Dr. Paul very respectful

"He almost never brought the subject up on his own...unlike Santorum and Romney. Ron Paul also almost never justified a political position by quoting chapter and verse from the Bible."

That's why I respect Dr. Paul. His beliefs are his compass. He honors his beliefs by doing, not talking and he is definitely not trying to convert others. He is thoughtful when he explains his position. Whether you agree or not he earns respect because he gives it.

I love his explanation of his stance on war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0Id_LWsFg

Compare to Santorum: intolerant, ignorant, proselytizer, hypocrite, chickenhawk.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Amen to that!

If a person is aligned with Christ's message they don't have to tell you about it and try to convince you of how godly they are, they *show* you by following his message of love and compassion without ever even needing to bring up the topic of religion. Sadly, many Christians think to be compassionate to a "sinner" or someone they disagree with is to give their approval of their actions or beliefs so they resort to sanctimonious lecturing in lieu of compassionate understanding. Dr. Paul sets a very good example that many could learn from, especially Rick Santorum!

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

Nailed it

That applies to the non-religious as well. It is equally hypocritical to bash those who have religious convictions and wear opposition to religion on your sleeve. Whatever the belief system we should be judged by our deeds and our respect for others.

There is no reason in my mind why we should be at odds. Sometimes I suspect the conflict is created to divide and inflame. That the controversy is a designed distraction from the issues that are really impacting all of us.

In that video Dr. Paul defers to the constitution, to the shared rights of individuals, not groups. Yet he intelligently explains where he personally gets his moral compass. Brilliant.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Absolutely

I do not personally identify as Christian, or with any religion for that matter, but when I see the Truth I acknowledge it whether it comes from a Christian, Buddhist, Mormon, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, whatever. In a way I think all people can be "Christian", or "like Christ", in a way regardless of what religion they do or do not belong to simply by following his compassionate example. The vein of truth is evident in nearly all religions and is accessible to all regardless of whether or not they ever encounter religion in their lives; it just has to be sought after by a mind that has accepted that we are more than our ego.

I absolutely agree that the conflict could very well be a device to keep us from this greater truth. What better way to keep people from acknowledging each other as a part of the divine than distracting them with petty squabbling instead of realizing and embracing their connectedness?

It was actually Dr. Paul that got me on the track to getting back in touch with my spirituality. For many years I felt spiritually dead and bitter, like I had to constantly be on the defensive for my personal beliefs. Then I heard his message of liberty and my entire world changed. I had a whole new understanding of life and I felt spiritually alive again. Amazing what the message of liberty can do, eh? :)

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

For the same reasons I am for Ron Paul I am a Christian

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In Politics

In politics if you have three or more choices, right vs left, etc and only one choice is not taking money from special interests or allowing lobbyists into his office... well then it is easy to see (if you know this information in advance) who the best choice is. Regardless of political views or persuasion the guy who is not being bribed by lobbyists and special interests (Ron Paul) makes the most sense because you can actually trust him to do the right things and not lie to your face while voting with his $$$.

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In Religion

It is the same. There are a lot of liars on the take who are in it only for their own personal gain and benefit. In 2 Peter 2 they are called false teachers and false prophets. The Pharisees and Sadducees were such as these, allowing money changers into the temple no less, making the sacrifices filthy and of no value. And yet if you do not read your bible and seek the Father for yourself, chances are you view this deb-ochery as representative of Christianity and even mistakenly associate it to Christ himself.

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The dailypaul

Here at the DP we have many still, especially as of late who blame Ron and Rand Paul for what the rest of congress does. The same falsely put Christ in league with George Bush, Carl Rove, the pope, and Benny Hin.

This is sheer ignorance.

Yet those who have never sought God through the bible are prone to throw the baby out with the bath water. They can not discern right from wrong. Nor do they care to do it.

They are righteous in their own eyes while the rest of us are thankful we can see.

kinda ironic...

How religion divides people...

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Is it?

Is a given religion about the secular or the spiritual?

Your religious experience on this mortal coil is personal, it is individual. It's like anything else in life: there is no collective form.

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Jesus said He would divide people

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household." Matthew 10:34-36

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

When times are tough, remember: Jesus loves you.

Even though everyone else thinks you're a complete fart blossom.

It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't. Also there's pandas.

"Anyone who thinks you can't create something out of nothing never dated a drama queen."

-me

the way i see it

the DP is kind of like a cafe.
people at this table talking about this and people at that table talking about that. find a table where the conversation suits you. pass the tables that don't. i don't imagine Dr. Paul would tell people what to talk about at another table. it's easy to do and i'll demonstrate if you reply.

btw, congratulations on your very own religion thread.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

Easter

It will slow down until the next religious holiday.

Actually, according to your

Actually, according to your posting profile, you are Mormon.

This post is disingenuous at best.

There seems like there is always an ulterior motive for wanting people not to talk.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Ok

Whatever my religion. I dont come here to see things about religion, make sense? I think so. The posts about christ and religion and the convincing people to be religious. has been frequent lately that post was also old. If your on the Daily Paul may you try to be more Like Dr. Paul?