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Question #2. If prostitution is legalized (Nevada) and female prostitution is a business, does she have the right to deny ser

Question #2.

If prostitution is legalized (Nevada) and a female prostitute is a business (independent contractor); does she have the right to deny service to anyone based on race, religion or age?

Question #1.

Are we to teach that being homosexual is good, encouraging our sons to some day find a man and get married?

grant

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Really people?

Prostitution is only the way it is now because it is illegal. If prostitutes did not fear the law, they would not have to submit to the abuse of their pimps. They wouldn't be afraid to report crimes against them just like any other business owner. Government has made that business what it is, just like when they outlawed alcohol and created crime families because of it. People still want the service, but when it is illegal, the evil people take over the business because good people tend to follow the law, even when it is unjust. This whole conversation is ridiculous and why it was posted with something about gay marriage is just beyond me.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

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What if a dog wanted to marry a robot with a human brain?

What if a dog wanted to marry a robot with a human brain? What if they wanted to adopt??

Did you ever think of THAT???

Mind blown/cognitive dissonance brain freeze!

Zingo!

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Is the "human soul"

located in just the brain or does it fill up the rest of the body?

Hey, you wanted to go down this road, so I'm just ridin' along ;)

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

People who are in the sex

People who are in the sex trade are most of the times enslaved. There are mafia rings that bring people from Asia, the former USSR, etc. Even locally they will trick people into getting into this type of trade. It is explotaition at its worst. It is anti-liberty and anti-human. Of course, you can make a good intellectual argument supposing the hypothetical person that voluntarily offer services etc. etc. etc. However, you have to be aware that there is a lot of semi-covert slavery if you plan to intelectualize this subject.

Many varieties.

I have witnessed mothers who teach their daughters (14-16) to go out onto the streets and earn a living as a prostitute. Money enslaves people in many ways.
grant

Granted. There are all types

Granted. There are all types of cases. However, there is a huge number of people in this type of trade are forced into it. All the military basis consume a huge amount of these services and the people who provide with services are not self employed most of the time. Take the example of Japan, they bring women from the south east Asia. Why? because it is a dangerous trade and people with free will will - if given a choice - engage in another activity. These people become pariahs of society, Japanese do not like them, Military people just use them for whatever their imagination desires, their bosses - the pimps - just want to overwork them.
Same thing in Tijuana which is close to military basis in San Diego.

If we make numbers, how many people would voluntarily be on this trade vs. forced labor?

Why do you care

about what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors if it does not affect your life?

Let's talk about stuff that matters please.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I don't.

Have made no such claim. In fact both questions are questions about personal liberty. What if the question had been phrased differently. Suppose someone had written; I am homosexual, have adopted two young boys and wish to teach them that homosexuality is good and hope someday they meet a man and get married, does anyone disagree?
grant

Well, your question was a little misleading:

"Are we to teach that being homosexual is good, encouraging our sons to some day find a man and get married?"

Prefaced like that, yes, I thought you "iehuvihs" were asking that question. My apologies if it's just an example you used to illustrate your point.

Anyway, Richelle basically said what I think. The only thing parents can do with their childs sexuality is support it.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Seems like there's a false assumption at work.

I don't know of any homosexuals who have children and try to "teach" them to be gay. They might encourage them to be open-minded and accepting of people regardless of whether they are gay or straight, but not that gay is good and straight is bad. I don't teach my son that gay is bad and straight is good, just to be compassionate and understanding. If he comes to me when he's 17 and says "Mom, I'm gay" I'll still love him and won't be disappointed in him. Although, I doubt that will ever happen judging by his current demeanor.

If a homosexual person were to pose the question you included in your comment I would tell them they were guilty of committing the same action they have been fighting against from some straight individuals and that makes them a hypocrite. Though I doubt many, if any, homosexuals would do this because, as I mentioned earlier, they aren't arguing from a position of good vs. bad regarding sexual orientation. I'm not sure that you understand that point.

Regarding your question #2 in the OP- Yes.

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

What about Rachel Maddow's question to Rand?

Question #2 is much the same question as whether doctors and pharmacists should be able to say no to doing abortions or providing prescriptions for abortions without having their licenses revoked.

I read once that in the early days of the Soviet Union there was an attempt to redistribute sex to those who didn't get any. Too many young women went crazy being forced to provide their services so the program was quickly ended.

Rand Paul, of course, got himself into trouble with Rachel Maddow for not being enthusiastic enough about being forced to provide services under a civil rights law. He should have asked Rachel about question #2 and if she thought that it also applied to the prostitution business. Could, for instance, prostitutes be forced to provide same sex services since gays and lesbians, ahem, are covered by civil right laws regarding housing and more recently marriage.

1. Sure 2. If you want.

1. Sure
2. If you want. Personally, I'd give them the facts and let them decide.

You either like boobies or you don't.

If ignorance is bliss, Washington DC must be heaven.

even though I downvoted.. Ill play along:

Question #2.

If prostitution is legalized (Nevada) and a female prostitute is a business (independent contractor); does she have the right to deny service to anyone based on race, religion or age?

My answer:

She has the right to deny service to anyone, for any reason. She has the right to be a bigot, even if we all disagree with her.

Question #1.

Are we to teach that being homosexual is good, encouraging our sons to some day find a man and get married?

My answer:

Accepting the fact that there are gay people in the world does not mean that we 'push' homosexuality. If my child were to tell me that they were gay, I would accept it (not be happy about it because I want grandkids someday). Its not about being 'good'. Its about tolerance. Your question is a loaded one.

When did you quit beating your wife? Get it?

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Very safe response.

Very safe response. So will you teach your children that homosexuality is good or bad? Treating people like human beings is not the question. Christ taught to treat sinners as human beings regardless of their sin. When the prostitute from the story in the bible was about to be stoned, Christ saved her and told her accusers to judge not or be judged. However, he did not say to the woman that prostitution was lawful, instead he told her to go and sin no more.

As for question #2, I agree she has the right to deny service, but then is it fair to punish a different kind of business person with slavery if they have concepts against individuals for whom they dislike? Personally I think it is stupid to discriminate against a persons skin color, religion or age, but shouldn't I apply the same rule, to judge not or be judged, and instead teach that it is wrong?

grant

Safe response?

Or a tolerant one???

Christ taught people. Good for Christ. You going off into a religious rant isn't going to win me over. I'm a little L libertarian that has faith in Liberty. But lets play along... if everyone is a sinner and Christ said sin no more.. is she now a saint or will she sin again?

I have bigots in my family. Hardcore ones. I can't relate to their world view but its theirs to make. I tolerate their language because they are family and I choose to just tolerate it, instead of preach. It doesn't mean I agree but remaining neutral means I get to spend time with my family without arguing. Racism is going to persist whether we like it or not. The best I can do is remain steadfast in my own belief system and teach the children in my family the same.

Your post has me puzzled. What is the point?

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

What' your definition of tolerance?

Likewise i am a libertarian minded person and tolerate to some degree others behavior. But i don't believe that should prevent me from expressing my world view as you claim it prevents you from expressing yours. Why shouldn't you be able to go to a family reunion and express your idea in opposition to bigotry? Does Liberty mean the right to express your ideas, or does it mean cower to dominating forces.

grant

Why are you so extreme?

My definition of tolerance is allowing people to be themselves even when it goes against my own moral code and customs.. or makes me uncomfortable.

Nothing is preventing me from doing anything. I choose not to pick a fight with members of my family. Thats not being a coward by any stretch of the imagination. That is keeping the peace. Nothing I say or do is going to change the opinion of a couple bitter old bigots. It can sure as hell start a huge argument though.

Express yourself however you see fit. I'll tolerate it just fine. :)

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Good

Good is making the best of what God gave you.

Sexual activity is an action and there are lots of rules about it regarding fidelity and promiscuity, involving children or drunks, etc., all of which apply regardless of whether one is homosexual.

Most of the drive behind the desire for sex is God-given or innate. He made plenty of homosexuals. What's probably not good is straight people having gay sex (that's a perversion of their God-given nature).

Anyone who knows anything about straight little boys, knows you can't turn them into gay men, and it's nearly impossible to get them to behave like gay men. Give a boy a Barbie, and he'll likely use her as a sling-shot. (I tried to get my brother to wear a girl's play wig, once, and he tore it off his head.)

What we need to encourage is the appreciation of the variety of gifts we were given and to stop forcing each other to fit into an inappropriate mold using government mandates.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Untamed.

Everyone begins with an untamed sexual nature. Are you saying environment has no influence over behavior? I find that hard to believe. A wild pig is extremely hygienic, however if raised in a closed environment, given time they will gladly role around in their own excrement. Humans are the same in many ways.

grant

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What is the point of this post?

Context?

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conversation.

debate.

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I have a plan

I'm going to move to Nevada and have surgery to make myself grotesquely ugly where no prostitute would sleep with me. Then I'm going to gg solicit all the legal prostitutes and sue the ones who don't sleep with me for discrimination. I'll donate my millions to the DP

Wait, is Nevada a right to work state? Is employment on an at will basis?

This is a thinker.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Was the poster shot down by a hooker? Lol
Freedom of association, unless they pass a civil "rights" act forcing hookers to sleep with chuds hahaha

Yes to

#2

Because in a truly free country you should be able to deny anyone service or access to your private business for any reason.

#1 Sure if you believe being gay is better than being heterosexual. No, if you think the opposite. As one of our Supreme Court justices said, Gay marriage is newer than cell phones, meanwhile multiple wife marrages and marriage between one man and one woman is ancient. So in reality nobody is really encouraging men to marry men at a young age at this point in time.

Where is the line drawn?

Is having sex with a grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, mother or father wrong? Should you teach your children to follow their hearts and get married to whom ever they wish, including members of the same family? Where does homosexual marriage draw the line?

grant

Any business has the right to

Any business has the right to deny a person to be a customer or employee based on any bigoted reason they want. The civil rights act cannot apply to private property.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

My answers (nothing more)

#1: Teach your kids whatever you'd like to teach them. I would think it's in their best interest to teach them to be accepting of others and to follow their own heart, even if they themselves or others are very different from their peers. Don't judge harshly because others are, and recognize that everyone is an individual. [note: my answer has nothing to do with homosexuality specifically]

#2: I think any business should be priviledged to offer or deny their services to anyone they'd like, so long as they are willing to accept whatever (legal) consequences come their way.

On Question #2, Prostitution

On Question #2, Prostitution in Nevada falls under personal contract law, which means both parties have to agree with the terms of services. Hence, if one does not agree, say she asks for $50,000 and the "Client Minority" does not agree, then nothing can be done against her and trust me, they can charge whatever they want, not that they will get it.

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Answer to Question 1

No. Why would you teach that to your children if that is not what you believe? Teach your children what you believe and what you want to teach them.