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Religion and the Founding of the American Republic

It's a day after Resurrection Day (the day in which we celebrate Jesus' triumphant defeat over death by rising from the grave), so now it is time to resurrect an old but forgotten truth about the inception of our constitutional republic. Contrary to recent trends and attempts by secularists/atheists/humanists to separate the Christian faith from politics and civics, there is strong evidence that our early republic was influenced by the principles of Christianity. To prove it, I need only show one important link from our national archives that chronicles that point: Examples of Christianity Influencing Our Constitutional Government.

Let the record be set straight once and for all.

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The Bible's Influence on America

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It certainly explains all the Christian art and statues in DC

Just kidding.
Here's a different perspective entirely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU24fJ4NQxo

What is the point of having a constitution if we are going...

to morph it into or quantify it by the Bible?

Let's simply replace the constitution with the Bible.

God gives us a choice whether to follow him or not. He defined what constitutes sin.

Our founding fathers recognize a Creator but did not specify that we can only have liberties that are not sinful according to the Bible. If that was their intent, they would have been very specific.

They simply mandated that government can not become the church and rule as a Theocracy yet we have many that demand our government become exactly that, a Theocracy.

Besides, if we are going to wrap the Bible around the constitution, whose interpretation are we going to use as law?

You can not have liberty if you force others to accept your religious interpretation of the Bible. Also when you favor taking one's freedoms away because they don't follow your interpretation of the Bible, you are playing God and breaking the first commandment.

It wouldn't have been bad if it was a Scriptural foundation

The fact is that this country WAS formed by a bunch of "Christians" who like most "Christians" today have no Scriptural foundation or understanding. If this country was based on true Scriptural teaching then we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

As a matter of fact this country is a perfect example of the "Christian" thinking that spawned it. "Forget what the document says, let's just do what we want". America and Christianity one is a physical failure and the other is a spiritual failure.

The Bible does not give government responsibility for marriage.

Neither does the bible give the church (or church elders) responsibility for marriage.

Marriage in the bible is decided by the girls father; likewise in divorce the husband is the decider.

Pastors and priests who interfere in marriage are no better than adulterers. And such as these have deferred their usurped responsibilities (usurped from the husband) to pagan government 9 times out of 10 these days.

There is nothing Christian about our government, nor are our Churches operating according to scriptural example.

We have mostly false christians going to false church promoting a pagan government as their false christian government.

All are more or less deceived living the lives of and being ruled over by pagans.

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Bravo!

Regardless of what you think is the "right" way, you have hit the nail on the head as to what the wrong way is.

Couldn't agree more.

Couldn't agree more.

I can't help noticing that the first of only two times, (and 4 passages because of parallel books), that 666 is mentioned in the Bible is where it mentions Solomon's tribute of 666 talents of gold in 1 Kings 10:14; and also that Solomon was the wisest man at that time (let him who is wise); and likewise 666 in Revelations is right before Revelation 14:1; and also that Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, redeemed us - and redemption is a word involving a price, to redeem something, to pay off the debt of sin, to recover something that is in debt.

When I am reading these passages and looking for something deeper than the banking system, I can't help noticing that GUILT is a word that originally meant how much you owed in gold for what you did wrong. And this is how the world seems to be operating. Everyone is demanding tribute of everyone else - they aren't forgiving them. The world seems to be running on guilt, not forgiveness. Worldly ideas, not mercy, forgiveness, or love. And here, Jesus Christ loved us to his death to redeem us, and now sits on his Father's throne, the King of Kings.

There is, in other words, something very wrong in the worldly system. It is not at all how it should be.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Final points - which has

Final points - which has proofs throughout the thread.

You can't government with the lost. It doesn't work. The founders said it couldn't work in numerous quotes, and it's been shown to not work.

It doesn't work in your own life keeping bad company, and it doesn't work in the larger world. Saying you should have a vote with the thief, the murderer, the prostitute and infidels (God haters), and whatever you vote is right, is the same thing as sitting down with a bunch of wolves as a sheep, and voting on what to eat..

There is no requirement in voluntary government for people to govern with anyone they don't want to. They aren't forcing you to be part of their government, and you aren't forcing them to be part of yours.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Publius Huldah teaches about this

When you get some time check this out. She thoroughly explains and somewhat proves what you're trying to say.


http://youtu.be/by5sDGOtmxw

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Clearly, Christian morals and philosophy... never mind other

humanistic philosophies... influenced many of the Founders, regardless of their personal levels of belief or lack thereof.

However, they specifically did NOT intend to found a Christian nation, in an official, operational, or organizational sense.

And people can "rise from the dead"... if they are accidentally buried alive (comatose; too weak a pulse to detect; etc.)! Most of us know of well-documented occurrences of coffins being opened, wherein the deceased exhibited serious injuries to their fingers and fingernails and the undersides of the coffin lids exhibited bloody scratch marks.

(And if Jesus rose literally from the dead, then perhaps he was that rarest of zombies who--instead of groaning, "Brains!" whilst trying to claw the flesh from the bodies of others--had encouraged his followers prior to his death to actually consume his flesh instead. Now that *is* love!)

:)

What would the Founders do?

"(And if Jesus rose literally

"(And if Jesus rose literally from the dead, then perhaps he was that rarest of zombies who--instead of groaning, "Brains!" whilst trying to claw the flesh from the bodies of others--had encouraged his followers prior to his death to actually consume his flesh instead. Now that *is* love!)"

In my opinion, we are working for nothing, because the lost hate each other so much, the nations of the earth will fall if we just stop propping it up. We are mediating evil people in such a way that it is helping them get along in such a way that won't be possible without it.

Beyond which, it does my heart no good to share my government with them. They really think they can mob people and MAKE them to be part of their government. But no, you can leave right now in your heart, and with a little organization, you can leave with others.

But there can be no good in trusting any part of your life with such.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Aside from being a bit flippant with the whole zombie thing

(just havin' a bit of fun) I do appreciate these sorts of conversations and take them seriously.

I have a hunch that we may be surprised who pulls together with whom... and where the love and trust develop and between whom, in the end.

Dunno. No one should make anyone do anything with respect to faith, and you are likely right: we are past the point of influencing each other per that issue. Perhaps I misunderstand, too. Most of us seem firmly "strapped in" our seats (beliefs) for the final ride!

What would the Founders do?

Idolatry

Then how do you explain you had to be a Christian to hold office or be a citizen? And these weren't by and large existing laws, but part of the new ones passed in the State Constitutions and like in 1776?

Beyond which, the *country* already existed before 1776, and in many places, mostly from religious settlements *specially* founded as Christian.

This is idolatry. It's not factually correct, but more to the point - even if the founders never intended it - and they certainly intended the government to be composed of Christians, it's idolatry. Because it is right that it be so.

There is no requirement that Christians govern with the lost. In fact, it is impossible.

If you are concerned with being forced to govern with Christians, that isn't how it works or how it is seen in churches either. You don't need to govern with us, you can form your own government just for yourselves - which will undoubtedly be filled with every sort of crime and vice.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Hey, that vote down isn't me, fyi.

I'm not so concerned about governing with Christians... after all, somebody has to keep 'em in check, or else they may cease to behave like Christians and turn instead into fascists. : )

1st Am. "...shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." and such pretty much supports the point I make.

If this were specifically meant to be a Christian nation, I think it would have been spelled out.

I cannot explain intelligently any rebuff to your specific point. What I will do is this:

I'll add another wrong to the pile of wrongs that existed before and when our country was founded. Christian-only government is a wrong in a society which was supposedly set up to be a republic / representative semi-democracy. Some people will not be represented if they are not Christians. So the hypocrisy is apparent. The lie of a Constitutional Republic not being what it has been claimed to be.

Another wrong which was acceptable upon the Founding: slavery.

Guess what: If Christians had single-handedly created this country and all that it is to this point, fine, perhaps the rest of us can just step off; however, as soon as others contribute--BAM! Now all contributors must be included.

What would the Founders do?

But not everyone in a

But not everyone in a geographic area has to be part of a particular government for it to be a Republic.

Indian tribes had their own government. Anarcho-Capitalists want multiple protection services (similar to governments) to be running at once, and you can choose which one you want to belong to.

Why can't people form their own government to govern themselves? It's not any different than the right to association. Different associations would exist, and people would be a lot happier.

The beginning of the Constitution of Pennsylvania of 1776 has similar sentiments about forming your own governments voluntary.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I wish we could, but look at how the feds treat sovereign

citizens... let alone groups of people who declares their independence from the federal empire.

What would the Founders do?

Naturalization Papers - Maryland

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=22348

I don't usually quote wallbuilders, but original sources, but this is a photograph of a naturalization paper to become a citizen, signed by one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

It's interesting besides being a document signed off on by on of the signers, because you will note that it specifically required you to be a believer in the Christian religion.

No, I'm not interested in forcing anyone to be a Christian through government, but what you are missing is the States were *already* Christian.

Also, a point often missed, is Thomas Paine was never a citizen. His Common Sense pamphlet was specifically titled "as written by an Englishman", and he moved back after the war. When he came back over here after being in France - he still wasn't a citizen, and in fact, couldn't vote because of that.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

No argument here about a state doc.

That is interesting. Thanks.

What would the Founders do?

Voluntary government?

Now, why do you insist I be part of your government if I don't want to be, if you claim government is suppose to be voluntary?

I don't want to be part of your wicked government!

There is no requirement that people have to be part of a man made government. If people want to form their own government with like minded people, they can.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/pa08.asp

XV. That all men have a natural inherent right to emigrate from one state to another that will receive them, or to form a new state in vacant countries, or in such countries as they can purchase, whenever they think that thereby they may promote their own happiness.

And plenty more things to read in it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

You tawkin' to me?

I agree with this... but I don't think it is in reference to anything I said.

(Thanks for the linky link.)

What would the Founders do?

I think I'm more talking to

I think I'm more talking to myself at this point, from conversations in the past where the theme seems to be, if you want to have a Christian government, it's wrong - and you got to let us in.

Huh? What? It isn't even the way this country's colonies where originally formed. There is a big difference between forcing someone to be in a government, and voluntary association.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Newspapers then and now

I now have over twenty two VOLUMES of Christian works by the founding fathers. Whole books on Christianity, sermons, articles, hymnals, a lot of them from signers of the Declaration of Independence.

I'll go back and repost some links from old threads on the subject if there is some demand.

It might be noted, fyi, that two of the founders, Benjamin Franklin, and Roger Sherman, were heavily involved in the newspaper publishing and almanac business of that day, and promoting religion. Franklin, like George Washington, collected sermons, and Benjamin Franklin helped George Whitefield by republishing Whitefield's sermons on the front page of his newspapers.

Quite a bit different from the media establishment of today.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

There Are No Atheists

..In Foxholes.
And the Aetheistic, Humanists, who profess to love Dr Paul need to lighten up and learn to;
"LIVE AND LET LIVE"
Y'all sound like a bunch of crybabies when someone expresses a Christian viewpoint here.
GET OVER YOURSELVES.

OMG!...Here come the downvotes!!!!! LOL!
And THAT proves my point.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Dear Bigot,

I guarantee, as having been one myself, there are absolutely atheists in foxholes! You just degraded and insulted tens of thousands of good people, and many patriots, that serve our nation in the military. And it is not easy in the military, as religious as it is.

I used to have a cartoon bumper sticker; on one half was that moronic saying you just used, "there are no atheists in foxholes..."; On the other side it said "...we are too busy fighting!" with the picture of an atheist blazing away and the two Christians huddled in the bottom of the foxhole, praying and tears streaming from their eyes.

So, I guess what I am saying is F** Off you closed-minded, bigotted, POS.

And -- since your logic is so lacking maybe I need to point out that "disagreeing" and conversing that disagreement is not the same as a "crybaby". Maybe it is you that needs to lighten up and let the adults discuss complex issues.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Dear Hypocrit

..You just proved my point.
GET OVER YOURSELF....especially with the numerous "ad hominem attacks".
CRYBABY!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

"There are no athiests in a

"There are no athiests in a foxhole."

What an interesting statement. Lets break it down:

This popular statement reveals Christianity for what it truly is: A sanctuary against the scary unknown. When in a Foxhole, you're in a scary place surrounded by events you cannot control or cope with easily. You don't know if a shell is going to land on you, so in desperation and fear, you look to supernatural opiates to help you cope with a stressful situation. It brings you comfort to know that when you have no control, you can contact via your pillow or cross amulet a super-powered cosmic father-figure flying about, casting 9th level shield spells over your fox-hole. Far fetched as it seems in normal times, this simple delusion is the mental opiate many need to keep from completely breaking under the immense stresses of combat.

For many, the world is a huge scary place filled with the unknown. They cannot cope with the stress and feel they haven't got any control. This coupled with an irrational fear that they are being watched by a level 40 diety who has the power to banish them to a hellish torture chamber forever motivates them to subjegate themselves to this titanic mythical being. Not only do they no longer feel so out of control, having been provided with all the answers (albeit, ridiculously stupid ones) to everything, they also feel a small measure of saftey and control in their lives knowning that they've got a cosmic king in their corner who is going to make everything alright, and take them to a country-club like paradise when they die, where they can hang out with the dead family.

As an added bonus, nearly every Christian believes he/she will be one of a small handful of people not destined for eternal torture because he/she is special to god, whereas everyeone else is not. Even though they know they are constantly sinning and pissing on the bible, they believe that god sees something in them, and they'll have a chance to make it all right and spend eternity in heaven.

Not Founded On Christian Principles

If you google jefferson quotes

You will find that many of the "quotes" here were either embellished or straight out false.
Granted Jefferson was no Christian, but he did not say many of those things which he is said to have here.

A more factual Thomas Jefferson: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/thomas_jefferson.htm

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

You Look Like an Ex-Nun

...Who had a transgender op! LOL!
Sound like one also.
Thanks for the comic relief.

Could you quote Washington's Prayer on the Pennsylvania banks of the Schuylkill River in the middle of February.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07...

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxIld5l1qDo&NR=1
and....
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/0...
Thanks to Washington Post for the links and pics,vids, and historical viewpoint..

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Sucks to be schooled huh?The

Sucks to be schooled huh?

The Bill of Rights is the heart and soul of America.

Jefferson wrote the Bill of Rights.

Jefferson finds not one redeaming quality in christiandom.

Logic tells us, Jefferson, who cannot find anything redeaming about this religeon of "idiots and hypocrits" didn't base the Bill or Rights on it.

Hense: America, whose constitution was founded on the Bill of Rights, is not founded on christianity.

Bam.

The "only" resemblance is the concept of "free will" which is not actually even found in the bible. The bible deals in coersion. You worship or you go to hell. Much like you pay taxes or men with guns force you into a cage and take your things. A choice made under direct threat of harm is coersion; not free will.