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Mountain Meadows, bitches!

That's all I have to say....

(Mormon karma is just as bad as that of any other religious group in this country or in the world over.....)

What would the Founders do?

Try being athiest. All I

Try being athiest. All I hear about non stop is how the god who loves me is going to be throwing me in hell until the end of time for not loving him.

Talk about a creepy relationship.

now I see why you posted that

now I see why you posted that crappy post about the legalization of Marijauna....

Yeah. I came over from that

Yeah. I came over from that thread too. What a loon.

I'm a Christian.

To be more precise, I am a die-hard fundamentalist Southern Baptist.

Guess what?

I still love ya. Here's the deal. This site, the Daily Paul? I've started trying to avoid religious topics on it. They get everyone riled up and sow division. I came to this site during the 2011-2012 primaries, for encouragement and to encourage others, to share and receive knowledge about liberty.

My advice to you? If it riles you up, avoid the religious topics. Seriously. There are other forums and other places for that.

If I may be so blunt, I disagree wholeheartedly with your religion and believe it is false.

I also believe that it is your right to believe what you so choose, and I will not bash you for it. I have never "bashed" anyone for a belief, only debated. As I stated on another thread, the only people I "bash" are blatant trolls and those who say outrageously stupid things. To my knowledge, you have said nothing outrageously stupid, therefore I have not and will not bash you, until such time as you do post something outrageously stupid, which may not ever happen.

deacon's picture

who keeps bumping

these posts from april,and from the same person?

Let it ever not be said,that I never did not do nothing for you.

I was just wondering the same thing

I thought this poster was done and not coming back.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

deacon's picture

afternoon, brother

this is the 2nd post form the same poster
and coupled with his pot post yesterday,he seems just a tad confused
and is still here complaining,hasn't learned anything either

Let it ever not be said,that I never did not do nothing for you.


Been to any good rallies lately? ;-)

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

deacon's picture

nope not any good ones

lately,hard to beat the first one we went to
what with the friends and other family member we met,hard to top that
but i have been brow beating a few reps in person,does that count?

Let it ever not be said,that I never did not do nothing for you.

no worries

Mormons are quality people.

i dont just bash mormonism, i bash most religions

i dont just bash Mormonism, i bash most religions

though i will admit Mormons are one of the nicer religious peoples i've dealt with.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

I don't care for bashing period. I am sorry you have been bashed

But I don't appreciate being collectivized as a Christian into a bashing group. It kinda makes me feel “Christian” bashed.

I am an individual. I am a Christian. I make it a practice not to bash. I try to make it a practice to show love. I am not perfect in my love though.

It is my understanding in the United States, there is freedom of religion for all as long as no one impedes on anyone else's freedom to worship as they choose because we all have freedom of speech. When anyone stifles another someone's freedom of speech, they end up stifling their own, IMO

I think there are people who want to divide and spread hate. I believe love covers a multitude of "sins."

Cannot Friends of Liberty be Friends IN Liberty?

Cannot friends discuss ideas and concepts without boiling over with hatred?


I'll defend

your RIGHT to believe whatever BS story you want. It's your right, so be it.

Yes, I too find it hypocritical

that so called Christians who do not follow Scriptural teaching bash another group of so called Christians who do not follow Scriptural teaching. Go figure.

It Contains Formal King James Language

Please somebody answer this, that is Mormon:

The first and most obvious observation is that the Book of Mormon is written in King James English. Remember that the original plates were supposed to have been written in the native language of the original authors. God then supposedly provided the translation to Joseph so that the history and “scripture” could be read by the people of America in 1830. But if this was the case, why would God choose the archaic language of 16th Century England? Why would God not have given the Book of Mormon in the same version of English that was being spoken in America in the 19th Century? The only Bible circulating the Palmyra area at the time of Joseph’s translation activity was the King James Version; this was the only scripture with which Joseph was familiar and the source from which Smith drew much material for the Book of Mormon. But we now know that the language used in the KJV is not the original language of the scripture. Modern translations of the Bible are fully capable of translating the ancient Greek and Hebrew into dialects that are appropriate for the reader. Joseph was convinced, however, that God’s language was the King James English with which he was so familiar. As a result, in a desire to produce something akin to the Bible, Smith decided to create a work of similar language.

- Jhorne10

People are just people

Whether you consider it a true religion or not.....whatever, it certainly is not for me to say. It's not my business what other people believe.

It's the quality of their character that you should be concerned with.

A Mormon boy in Nazi Germany was a bit of a truth seeker and info-warrior of his day. His name was Helmuth Hübener. He was a Mormon and as all German children he was required to be in the Hitler Youth. But as a teenager he was seeking truth when he started listening to enemy broadcasts which was considered a treasonous act. Later, he would covertly use a typewriter (which the use of was restricted) to type up information pamphlets of the alternative information that he was getting off of the radio. He and two of his friends would leave these flyers around town where people might see them. Eventually they were caught. Helmuth at 17 years old was found gulity of high treason and was beheaded by guillotine in October of 1942.

This boy was a hero regardless of whether or not he has the same religion as you. So don't go judging people on religion. That's between them and God. See people for their character. We need each other you know.

Not bashing, but

Rothschild money established the Mormon church, which was created by the Freemasons, Joseph Smith, Hiram Smith and Brigham Young, all of whom were of illuminati bloodlines. The same goes for Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Society). Both organizations are pledged to introduce a 'New Jerusalem' or 'Zion'. This is the real meaning of 'Zion-ism' - a 'New Jerusalem', a New World Order of total enslavement.

It's all about group identity

I'm a Mormon. Here's the thing, there is plenty to bash about our faith. A Mormon man has got to have some thick skin if he is to engage in honest and open discussion with rational individuals.

Our history is checkered and the door of criticism is wide. To truly stand as a witness of Christ (in every sense), a man must accept sound logic from those who use it, recognize the fallibility of the past, and love every man until every last drop of energy is spent.

Finally, laugh at the ignorant.

We in the liberty community strive so hard for a cohesive identity, but the warning lights start flashing the moment we encounter any other group with a strong identity. That's a good thing, it keeps us ever vigilant with regards to conspiracy and hidden machines of coercion. But it comes at a cost. And unfortunately, we Mormons are on the receiving end of it.

But we, as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, must understand that not all fear is bigotry. Be kind, virtuous, and Christlike; the ignorance and bashing will fade.

yep :)

BE the change you want to see.

Do unto others....

Turn the other cheek...

Do not revile against the revilers...

The only true statement Marx

The only true statement Marx ever made: "Religion is the opiate of the masses"

"Religion Government is the

"Religion Government is the opiate of the masses"
- a libertarian quote.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Actually, Mormonism was

Actually, Mormonism was founded to bash the Christian religion, and they've done just that in the past.

Here is a link - to an LDS site, with their famous skit that all orthodox preachers are being paid by Lucifer.

This is of course in addition to all of Mormons *very* weird doctrines. But of course, I am sure you are aware of that. What I am objecting to is Mormons are doing exactly what you claim to object to, and you know it.

What you may or may not know is Joseph Smith was an occultic witch before he founded Mormonism, and it is very well documented many differet times in separate newspaper accounts, court trials, and witness statements. Get out of this cult if you value your life.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Beyond which, Mormonism is

Beyond which, Mormonism is hardly discussed on this site at all, after Romney lost. It's an abhorrent religion, but not that important.

But I remember Mormonism bashing Ron Paul through Romney. And we have that cult yet to deal with in the GOP now because of the Romney takeover.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

It's the zionist takeover you should be focused on.

The Romney Mormons were naive, along with all of the old fart Christians.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

totally incorrect

"Mormonism" did NOT bash Ron Paul. Being LDS, and a die hard supporter of Ron Paul, I can say that with certainty. Truth is truth and there is nothing in my religion that contradicts anything I've ever heard or read Ron Paul say.

Our teachings actually are much more in line with Ron Paul than with Romney.

Here is a talk (a "speech") by one of our past prophets President Ezra Taft Benson. If you read it you will find our teachings are more pro-liberty than any other organized Church, that I am aware of.


Mormon ritual skit - orthodox preachers are paid by lucifer, etc

Mormon ritual skit pasted below, as in "go cry your crocodile tears someplace else":

"[A preacher enters.]
LUCIFER: Good morning, sir!
PREACHER: Good morning! [Looking out over the initiates.] A fine congregation!
LUCIFER: Yes, they are a very good people. They are concerned about religion. Are you a preacher?
LUCIFER: Have you been to college and received training for the ministry?
PREACHER: Certainly! A man cannot preach unless he has been trained for the ministry.
LUCIFER: Do you preach the orthodox religion?

PREACHER: Yes, that is what I preach.

LUCIFER: If you will preach your orthodox religion to these people and convert them, I will pay you well.

PREACHER: I will do my best."

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.


I have to laugh a little. I have no idea where you got that little "skit" but it's not from the Church.

It doesn't even make sense. Our clergy are ENTIRELY volunteer. Our Bishops, Stake Presidents, missionaries, teachers, women's leaders, men's leaders, children's leaders- NONE are paid for what they do. And most are not even formally "trained." Missionaries are. And there is ongoing teaching for all leaders, but most are just called and just start their calling right away in addition to making their livings and living their normal lives.

In fact, you have to PAY your own way to serve a mission. And some 60,000 missionaries are currently paying their own ways to be out there doing the work they believe in.


Re:" I have to laugh a little. I have no idea where you got that little "skit" but it's not from the Church."

Just stick parts of it into a search engine, it's part of the pre-1990 LDS temple endowment ceremony:


I'm guessing that you haven't looked into criticisms of the Mormon church in depth. I think that if you look at the data with an open mind, you'll discover many reasons to reject Mormonism. I know that the initial reaction to accusations about the Mormon church would be that someone must be telling a lie or must be mistaken, just as you've denied that the Pre-1990 LDS temple endowment ceremony quote was part of Mormonism. The weird stuff I've seen was seen first hand in the journal of discourses in the BYU library. A lot of the weird stuff was underlined by other people who were reading it, so it's not all that hard to find. My Mormon friend was a convert to Mormonism, president of her seminary, had all kinds of honorable mentions from Mormon clergy, went to BYU, had what they called a 'strong testimony', had converted family and other people to Mormonism etc. and didn't know about the LDS law of eternal progression until she was Mormon for 10 years. In an attempt to convert someone by answering their questions, she started to look into some of the old Mormon history and it was all new to her because nobody talked about it in her decade of Mormonism. I'm not talking about the obvious stuff like accusations of racism and issues related to polygamy, I mean the stuff said by Mormon prophets in the journal of discourses; though there was obviously some stuff about racism, sexism, etc., but also weird theological claims. The thing about Adam having physical sex with Mary to produce Jesus stuck out to me. It seems to go against the idea of the virgin birth. I mentioned some of the stuff to another Mormon and he denied that any of the prophets ever taught the things I mentioned. So I showed him where it explicitly said that stuff in the original source as I had checked out a volume from the Mormon institute on campus, knowing that he wouldn't believe me unless he saw it for himself form a Mormon source. He read it and wanted to be alone for a while, and when he came back he started talking in King James English(not as a quotation, but in talking to us in a very serious way) as if it made him more spiritual and he started spouting hateful words and stuff and simply denied that it said what it plainly said. Now he gets uptight anytime the subject comes up, and seems to take it as a personal attack if more information is presented. If you are really interested I can look up some of the references for you. There is a lot of history I'm sure they would like to distance themselves from, so the Mormon church probably isn't going make a lot of their weirder stuff as widely available as the stuff they like to be known for. www.utlm.org has a lot of documentation worth checking out.
That being said. I would emphasize that when you find that the Mormon church is false, don't throw the baby out with the bath water by rejecting the bible as well.