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Alright everybody, let's bring it in ...huddle up.

Ok, first, I'm guilty. I contributed to the " The Springer show " here on the DP forum.

We're all complicit.

So before we go back to hashing it out, lets all shake hands right here and get a grip. Most important thing is no matter how we differ in opinion or belief we're all brothers and sisters and need to make sure we never forget what brought us here in the first place.

Of course we will all carry on with debate but let's make certain we still have that bond to each other ok?



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We all need to develop "ATD"

It's a mental health thing, "agree to disagree."
I think it may be a by-product of internet anonymity. Do you sit around a squabble with people at a sign wave or meetup? Or even a GOP meeting? Face to face, people are better at letting differences go and working together for whatever common bond brought them together.
However, I LIKE a certain amount of internet squabble. The times I have had my beliefs changed, it was because someone presented me with contradicting FACTS. A little fussing is worth a lot of truth, in the end.
But it is a fine thing to stop once in a while, look around this place, and give thanks for what we have here.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.



it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Flame wars only

cause bad burns.

Participate at your own risk.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Everybody who wants more liberty than we have now is my ally

Anyone who supports the status quo or wants less liberty is my enemy. If we get to the point where we have all the liberty you want but I want more, then I will have to oppose you. If we get all I think is right and you want more then oppose me. But right now I think all of us want more so we are on the same team.


I sent you a DP email...

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Group Hug!


I really like this recent trend of reunification. I was admittedly put off by all the internal attacks for a while. Good job.

I think we can best row together

via Robert's Rules of Order.

Why don't we start getting organized again?


To what purpose?

Not understanding Robert's Rules of Order isn't what's causing the division here at the Daily Paul.

What's causing it is the truth, and the truth is we don't share a common purpose. There are people here at the DP who oppose everything you hope to accomplish through Robert's Rules of Order.

People get the government they deserve, and yes, understanding Robert's Rules can help them deserve better government, but better government is a relative term based on ones opinion. What's better government? What purpose should government serve? Have you noticed that the DP is infested with people who reject the very idea of Government?

We need a common purpose, and if we're truly liberty minded people, we should use Robert's Rules to see that justice is served rather than injustice.

Robert's Rules and organizing are a means to an end, but what purpose do you hope to serve? As far as I can tell, your current hope is to get a Sheriff elected, but to what purpose; to serve justice and enforce the law or to try and declare yourself a sovereign state?

A Sheriff doesn't write the law, he enforces it, and the laws they enforce don't necessarily have anything to do with justice. For me, that's where Government starts. That's where debate and Robert's Rules come into play, debating law, writing law, and enforcing law to see that justice is served.

I stopped here:

Not understanding Robert's Rules of Order isn't what's causing the division here at the Daily Paul.

Since when is Daily Paul run by Robert's Rules of Order? I should also clarify that I'm not suggesting it is done that way.

To what purpose? To get the liberty movement organized as that is our greatest obstacle. I don't think anyone can dispute that fact.

I didn't read past that point since the rest of your comment was probably irrelevant due to you made it on a faulty assumption without doing your due diligence.

Purpose? What's that...

That's what I thought. You can't tell people your purpose, and I never said the Daily Paul is run by Robert's Rules, and nobody suggested it should be.

"To get the liberty movement organized as that is our greatest obstacle."

To what purpose? I don't organize with Anarchists, and I don't help them organize.

To What Purpose?

To restore the republic.

I am very happy that my committee is a liberty committee. Robert's Rules of Order is how we help the GOP find it's way back to appreciate constitutional government and Bill of Rights over back room deal shennigans.

Again, let's talk about purpose.

"To restore the republic."

Do you think an Anarchist shares your purpose? Do they want to defend the Constitution or 'restore the Republic'? The Jerry Springer show we see here at the Daily Paul is caused by a lack of common purpose.

An Anarchist opposes your purpose, but they need a mob to serve theirs, so they try to organize people. Since their purpose is by definition in opposition to yours, why would you let an Anarchist organize you?

Like I said. I want NOTHING to do with Anarchists. I don't organize with them, nor do I help them organize because they oppose my purpose.

I'm a Libertarian, a Republican, and a Constitutionalist, not an Anarchist, and I can say with no dishonesty that my purpose is to restore the Republic and defend the Constitution, yet even those goals are just a means to an end.

My ultimate political purpose is to promote justice and impose a negation upon injustice; to keep the peace in a Constitutional Republic.

I think

Those of us who have purpose expose our purpose.

I don't see how the anarchist could organize me since I have purpose with goals and organized politics.. being elected to a committee and into an office.. I have a job to do, with or without them.

I'm a republican with previosu LP experience.

I agree! We need to try to row together!

Libertarians seem to want to duke it out over 3 issues.
Does God exist?
Abortion or not.
Anarchy or minarchy.

The first 2 will be endless debates that may never be resolved. In our lifetimes, anyway. But the last one should be the one that pulls us together, since we are so far from either one of those that as a practical matter the debate is irrelevant. Whatdaya say we get to minarchy first and then duke it out over #3?

Can't we all just disagree?

More. I have nothing to apologize for. Crush the heresy!


"The world has never known more oppressive governments or bigger governments than those which profess the cult of liberty." - Donald Sanborn

Well lately, I have just seen

Well lately, I have just seen a bunch of threads attacking my religion, and a lot of people around here seem to support that. I've had people look at my old posts and click the minus on every single one of them to bring my ratings and things down, apparently because of my religion, which I don't even really consider to be relevant to this site. Anyways, I certainly don't feel welcome here, which is a shame, because this site has been a good source of info for several years. Hopefully this all blows over soon enough. If not, I'll just ignore this community.

Yea, I know wht you

Yea, I know wht you mean.

Just about every week i see a new thread claiming that I cannot possibly understand liberty due to my belief system and that only when I change it to a different belief system, will I truly understand liberty.

many of the new members are not polite.

most don't seem to be doing any homework before they post.
for this site to continue to work, we need to police ourselves.

I for one, appreciate your effort to restore decorum.


Huffington Post had an

Huffington Post had an article today on Rand Paul talking about the 900 military bases and which ones can be cut. Did I see an article on DP about that? Come on people. It's not that hard to post an article on DP about stuff like that instead of that other stuff.

Wise words from Dex

May I call you Dex, seeing as we're now family?

It begs the question, bro ...

... have YOU forgotten what brought us here?

P = Peace
Au = Gold
L = Love

Not a single photo of Ron Paul on the front page. Most of you wouldn't even know how Gold, Peace and Love are all interconnected if not for Ron Paul. I see people say things as if Dr. Paul still reads this site. Please. He was forsaken here a long time ago. Why would he come here? To see people wonder if he's some kind of Manchurian candidate? To see people bash his son? Fuck this joke of a site!

RON PAUL, motherfuckers!


Peace, Gold, and Love. Pfft!


"Paul" is the last name of the man that brought us together and who has done nothing to deserve anything less than we gave him before this election.

Get a picture of Ron Paul back on the front page or I will do nothing but steer people far from this trash bin and encourage others to do the same. There are sites who haven't forgotten Ron Paul. That's where I'll be.

Save your responses ... I'll be off learning, not watching a bunch of evangelists fight with atheists; conspiracy theorists fight with the blind, at the same time shitting on the name of the man who, at the very least, provided the spark that re-ignited the cannons in our revolution.

Peace (Gold and Love) out!

Work for pay, pay for freedom
Fuck 'em all, we don't need 'em

Psyco - "Lighten up

Psyco - "Lighten up Francis"


“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

Hopefully you'll learn enough to ignore Ron Paul

Study hard.

I know what brought me here.

Let's talk about purpose.

I know what I am, and I know what purpose I serve, and it can be found at the top of this site: Dedicated To Restoring Constitutional Government To The United States of America.

There's confusion and infighting here at the DP because many of it's members don't share in that purpose.

What purpose do I share with an Anarchist? Why would an Anarchist be here at the Daily Paul? The only purpose they serve by definition is to see that I fail.

Belief that men's words on paper represent supreme law

is a sign of failure.

Like I said: we don't share a common purpose.

There people here who oppose of the very idea of a Constitution and want NOTHING to do with restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America.

Like I said: We don't share a common purpose.

Anarchists aren't interested in defending your liberty, serving justice, or restoring Constitutional Government to the United States Of America.

They reject the very idea of defending liberty as a common purpose. That's NWO talk; "a behavior-change fraud" in his book. What they're interested in is posting links to hide the fact they don't share in our purpose.

They serve their own purpose and it has NOTHING to do with mine:

"Freedom, liberty, and their common defense."

Anarchy not only is the one thing that defends liberty

Anarchy defines liberty.

No piece of paper could ever do that. Be less gullible.