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Everyone sees what they want to see

In response to: Truthers continue to see what they want to see.

Everyone sees what they want to see:

  • The truthers and the antitruthers;
  • The believers and the non-believers;
  • The Rah-Rah-Randers and the Rand-Can-Do-No-Gooders;
  • The statists and the anarchists;
  • The gold bugs and the paper pushers;
  • The carnivores and the vegans;
  • The Keyensianists and the Austrianists;
  • The IP defenders and the trashers;
  • The Republicans, the Democrats.

Isn't that clear enough by now? Doesn't all the data here on the DP point in that direction? There is no way we can have unity, nor is there reason to. People believe what they believe until they change their mind. Or rather, until their minds are mystically, magically changed.

Don't take it personally, and don't hold it against anyone.

People see what they want to see. Everyone does it.

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Who wants unity?

The ONLY unity we should be worried about, is having the freedom to be different and who we are. I'm not at all worried about being 'united' to any single belief, just the freedom to believe and be.

And We See What

we have been programmed to see. Sometimes we see through the fallacies of the matrix that we're in only to become ensnared in another one. We are all guilty of confirmation bias as well. Pride, fear, etc., also contribute to what we choose to see. Let's face it, we all have some blind spots and misconceptions that we cling to.

Edward Moran

bullshit

I continue to see that which I do not want to see.

I disagree, I come here to see what others see Nystrom

The most challenging posts, the ones which make you research and find you are wrong. Those are the most enlightening.

The challenging posts which force you to research and find you are right, those are the most reinforcing.

The challenging posts which force you to explain in a logical way what you felt on an emotional level, those can be humbling.

Without trying to see what others see, none of this would happen.

It is very true..... Life is

It is very true..... Life is what we make of it and 90 percent of that is how we choose to look at things.

Some folks are gifted and can see good in just about everything.

And Those Who Don't See What

we see are either asleep, uninformed, brainwashed, stupid, or too lazy to do the research! ( Just Kidding.)

Edward Moran

Disagree. People have

Disagree. People have different views of reality but it reality is the same. Let me show you an example:

Alex Jones invited Noam Chomsky to his program. They are in totally different segments of the political spectrum. However, they agreed on a majority of points, both of them could clearly pinpoint the power structures (military industrial complex, mainstream media, fake two party system, etc).

I think the difference is mostly on shallow vs deep people. The more deep your point of view is the more you can agree with people who hold contrary views.

I think you are missing the tautological point of this post

The only way to attack this post is with a paradox, as I have done below.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

"Facts are stubborn things"

Every now and then, reality comes around and smacks you. You sit back and, if you're honest, say to yourself, "Well, I sure was stupid."

Any person who has not changed their mind about some closely held beliefs at least once in their life is not using their mind.

What about those that want to see

that which they don't want to see?

What do they see?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

jrd3820's picture

lol They see what they want to see if they are seeing what

they don't WANT to see. Because it is what they DON'T want to see that they want to see.
Get it?
Gawd Ed.... you would be so lost without me.
You do see that right?

all I see is that I am now confused

Or, as Robert Frost would say: I am not confused, I am just well mixed.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

You're on the right track,

You're on the right track, but I would argue over the use of the word "want".

Yes I agree... but FACTS are

Yes I agree... but FACTS are Facts. No matter what you want to see. Some people are not intellectually honest.

Michael Nystrom's picture

And what if the facts turn out

not to be facts?

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

then those so called facts

then those so called facts were lies and everything associated with that "lie" need to be adjusted.

Facts vs Truth

The words Fact and Truth are often used as though they are interchangeable. However, a distinction can be made. Facts are subjective. Subject to time, perception, interpretation (i.e. events). Truth is something that can exists as a principle (axiom). 2+2=4 is a Truth. That the twin towers fell/collapsed is a fact. Most facts are lost or become inconsequential over time. Truth persists for all time. That Jesus lived / lives is a fact. Some may believe / agree. Some may not believe / disagree. Michael seems clearly identifying a human trait. The need to be right and the reticular activating system are powerful in the human mind. Our egos, for the sake of edifying our subjective value system, and hence our identity, will seek out to ensure we are "right" (bias). I cannot overcome your bias. Only you can overcome your bias. You cannot overcome my bias. Only I can do that by first wanting to do it, or to be open to it.

By the way, lying is intentionally conveying information that is known to be false. Naively conveying false or incorrect information is not lying.

SteveMT's picture

Are there valid reasons for these beliefs?

The questions are, will people remain open to hearing another viewpoint and can they successfully defend their positions given this new information? People do see what they want to see, but can they defend their belief system with good enough arguments?

Very few see the truth

especially in the moment
The 'ground of being' filters it out
Ideology inoculates against it.
"What So-and-So said" creates bias against it.
Most people run everything through a sieve, shaded lenses and an operating system.

What is "Truth"? Who decides

What is "Truth"? Who decides what truth is? How can you prove truth without having exhausted every possible combination of experiences available to beings in this universe?

When thought conforms to reality, that is truth.

Reality cannot not be, no one decides, but many are free to discover and explore reality and adjust their thinking.

Subjective reality is true for me. I like chocolate.

Objective reality is universally true. Living things metabolize food sources for energy.

Einstein didn't change reality but human understanding. What was subjective reality for Einstein was proven to be objective reality.

It could have been objective reality for Newton if he had capable experimental and mathematical tools.

Intellectual honesty promotes real understanding. Only the individual can understand that the challenge is eternal and fraught with challenges.

Free includes debt-free!

I Don't Like 'Divisive' As A Negative Word

Why must we all be 'unified'?

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Michael Nystrom's picture

The only reason to be 'unified'

Is when a group of people agree to be unified, and work together towards a common goal.

To be coerced into being "unified" is a sham.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I'm not leaving DP; I'm too old and cranky for that--

and DP is my only source for news--

also, there are a lot of reasonable people on here--

but after this Boston 'thing' it's hard to post any questions or even simple comments without being called an "AJ whore" (whatever that is; I've seen very little of AJ) or a 'conspiracy theorist'--

I just don't take anything at face value.

And like the person below who said that they don't see what they want to see--

I've been looking for glimmers of hope in the world, and I'm not seeing it right now--

Michael, thank you for all your hard work all these years--

keep it up, and don't give up on DP, please. It's hard to think when there's 'noise' in any room, but I believe there are still many thinking people on DP--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

In an open forum

People ought to just sort of hang out and not take their personal views so serious where others are quite willing to stomp upon 'em.

Cypher sums it up for me

Why oh why didn't I take I take the blue pill.
I for one do not see what I want. Every day I search my environment for hope. Hope that people will care for others well being over shiny things and electric gizmos. That people will take control over their own faculties of reason and grasp a truth so obvious that when spotted it becomes almost comical. That the people espousing their various religious doctrines will actually live by those principles instead of using them as a weapon against others. I keep my gazed fixed for this and it remains elusive.
But every now and then I catch a peep and it spurs me on.
-Peace and love to you all.

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke

Michael Nystrom's picture

Then what you want to see is hope

I for one do not see what I want. Every day I search my environment for hope.

Can you even see that from your own words? You see what you want to see, which is hope. You ignore all the crap, and see what you want. You have demonstrated my point.

Gangaji says give up hope. At the same time, give up hopelessness. They're both crutches.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Appreciation

Thank you for the candle.

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke

Cats raised in rooms with horizontal lines painted on the walls

Can not see vertical lines. And vice-versa. Whether or not they want to. If food is placed on the opposite side of a surface with vertical lines the cat will 'see' nothing but empty space and will not try to get the food (if it is too far to jump).

first online source I could find to back this up - http://jn.physiology.org/content/41/4/896.abstract

Otherwise the book 'The Three-Pound Universe' explains this phenomenon well.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas