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Everyone sees what they want to see

In response to: Truthers continue to see what they want to see.

Everyone sees what they want to see:

  • The truthers and the antitruthers;
  • The believers and the non-believers;
  • The Paul supporters and the Paul haters;
  • The statists and the anarchists;
  • The gold bugs and the paper pushers;
  • The carnivores and the vegans;
  • The Keyensianists and the Austrianists;
  • The IP defenders and the trashers;
  • The Republicans, the Democrats.

Isn't that clear enough by now? Doesn't all the data here on the DP point in that direction? There is no way we can have unity, nor is there reason to. People believe what they believe until they change their mind. Or rather, until their minds are mystically, magically changed.

Don't take it personally, and don't hold it against anyone.

People see what they want to see. Everyone does it.




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Disagree. People have

Disagree. People have different views of reality but it reality is the same. Let me show you an example:

Alex Jones invited Noam Chomsky to his program. They are in totally different segments of the political spectrum. However, they agreed on a majority of points, both of them could clearly pinpoint the power structures (military industrial complex, mainstream media, fake two party system, etc).

I think the difference is mostly on shallow vs deep people. The more deep your point of view is the more you can agree with people who hold contrary views.

I think you are missing the tautological point of this post

The only way to attack this post is with a paradox, as I have done below.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

"Facts are stubborn things"

Every now and then, reality comes around and smacks you. You sit back and, if you're honest, say to yourself, "Well, I sure was stupid."

Any person who has not changed their mind about some closely held beliefs at least once in their life is not using their mind.

What about those that want to see

that which they don't want to see?

What do they see?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

jrd3820's picture

lol They see what they want to see if they are seeing what

they don't WANT to see. Because it is what they DON'T want to see that they want to see.
Get it?
Gawd Ed.... you would be so lost without me.
You do see that right?

all I see is that I am now confused

Or, as Robert Frost would say: I am not confused, I am just well mixed.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

You're on the right track,

You're on the right track, but I would argue over the use of the word "want".

Yes I agree... but FACTS are

Yes I agree... but FACTS are Facts. No matter what you want to see. Some people are not intellectually honest.

Michael Nystrom's picture

And what if the facts turn out

not to be facts?

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

then those so called facts

then those so called facts were lies and everything associated with that "lie" need to be adjusted.

SteveMT's picture

Are there valid reasons for these beliefs?

The questions are, will people remain open to hearing another viewpoint and can they successfully defend their positions given this new information? People do see what they want to see, but can they defend their belief system with good enough arguments?

Very few see the truth

especially in the moment
The 'ground of being' filters it out
Ideology inoculates against it.
"What So-and-So said" creates bias against it.
Most people run everything through a sieve, shaded lenses and an operating system.

“Give a man a gun, he can rob a bank. Give a man a central bank, and he can rob a country and the world.”
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What is "Truth"? Who decides

What is "Truth"? Who decides what truth is? How can you prove truth without having exhausted every possible combination of experiences available to beings in this universe?

When thought conforms to reality, that is truth.

Reality cannot not be, no one decides, but many are free to discover and explore reality and adjust their thinking.

Subjective reality is true for me. I like chocolate.

Objective reality is universally true. Living things metabolize food sources for energy.

Einstein didn't change reality but human understanding. What was subjective reality for Einstein was proven to be objective reality.

It could have been objective reality for Newton if he had capable experimental and mathematical tools.

Intellectual honesty promotes real understanding. Only the individual can understand that the challenge is eternal and fraught with challenges.

Free includes debt-free!

I Don't Like 'Divisive' As A Negative Word

Why must we all be 'unified'?

Rothbard: "Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."

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The only reason to be 'unified'

Is when a group of people agree to be unified, and work together towards a common goal.

To be coerced into being "unified" is a sham.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

I'm not leaving DP; I'm too old and cranky for that--

and DP is my only source for news--

also, there are a lot of reasonable people on here--

but after this Boston 'thing' it's hard to post any questions or even simple comments without being called an "AJ whore" (whatever that is; I've seen very little of AJ) or a 'conspiracy theorist'--

I just don't take anything at face value.

And like the person below who said that they don't see what they want to see--

I've been looking for glimmers of hope in the world, and I'm not seeing it right now--

Michael, thank you for all your hard work all these years--

keep it up, and don't give up on DP, please. It's hard to think when there's 'noise' in any room, but I believe there are still many thinking people on DP--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

In an open forum

People ought to just sort of hang out and not take their personal views so serious where others are quite willing to stomp upon 'em.

Cypher sums it up for me

Why oh why didn't I take I take the blue pill.
I for one do not see what I want. Every day I search my environment for hope. Hope that people will care for others well being over shiny things and electric gizmos. That people will take control over their own faculties of reason and grasp a truth so obvious that when spotted it becomes almost comical. That the people espousing their various religious doctrines will actually live by those principles instead of using them as a weapon against others. I keep my gazed fixed for this and it remains elusive.
But every now and then I catch a peep and it spurs me on.
-Peace and love to you all.

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke

Michael Nystrom's picture

Then what you want to see is hope

I for one do not see what I want. Every day I search my environment for hope.

Can you even see that from your own words? You see what you want to see, which is hope. You ignore all the crap, and see what you want. You have demonstrated my point.

Gangaji says give up hope. At the same time, give up hopelessness. They're both crutches.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Appreciation

Thank you for the candle.

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke

Cats raised in rooms with horizontal lines painted on the walls

Can not see vertical lines. And vice-versa. Whether or not they want to. If food is placed on the opposite side of a surface with vertical lines the cat will 'see' nothing but empty space and will not try to get the food (if it is too far to jump).

first online source I could find to back this up - http://jn.physiology.org/content/41/4/896.abstract

Otherwise the book 'The Three-Pound Universe' explains this phenomenon well.

Potential Annualized National Debt Allowance - a look at 40 years of PANDA next Pandaline - weekdays central time

If this post were true...

corrupt elites wouldn't have to spend trillions on propaganda as a means to divide and conquer the world's people. The vast majority of people share common values based on universally accepted notions of morality. These shared common values based on morality are the greatest threat to tyranny, that's why Hollyweird, politicians and the Global Military Industrial Complex, spend trillions fomenting corruption, division and hatred. Posts like this one support the divide and conquer agenda.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

For example Iowa straw poll

For example Iowa straw poll results as reported by the main stream media:

1 Michele Bachmann 4,823 28.6%

3 Tim Pawlenty 2,293 13.6%
4 Rick Santorum 1,657 9.8%
5 Herman Cain 1,456 8.6%
6 Rick Perry (write-in) 718 4.3%
7 Mitt Romney 567 3.4%
8 Newt Gingrich 385 2.3%
9 Jon Huntsman 69 0.4%

Did everyone get to see what they wanted? or what the mainstream media portrayed?

Your whole post made me LOL.

Your whole post made me LOL. For various reasons. Articulating two of them will suffice for my purposes.

"corrupt elites wouldn't have to spend trillions on propaganda as a means to divide and conquer the world's people."

First, this is a HUGE-a$$ assumption on your part here (on various levels). Are you in the minds of all those "corrupt elites" to say definitively that they all share the common goal of "dividing and conquering the world's people"? Did they get together at a round-table and lay that out as the ultimate aim? Was this on the agenda for aforementioned meeting, a copy of which you happened upon and wish to share with the DP community?

Of course not. Your vast and overly simplified conspiracy is more reasonably attributable to a complex confluence of selfish interests among big and small players alike. Only in your mind MUST there be a singular goal among all of these individuals "to divide and conquer the world's people."

Which brings me to the second of the points I will articulate:

Your comment, while openly calling into question the assertion of the OP, only goes to serve as perfect evidence for it.

BOOMerang.

I love me some irony.

Divide and conquer has been

Divide and conquer has been going on since Jesus was a bus boy. The same money changers have financed both sides of every major war in recent history. I can't imagine a bigger divide than war. The Democrats and Republicans are a pretty good example with wedge issues such as abortion always coming up when divide is needed yet year after year nothing changes.

To your question of common goal? No they have many tactics such as creating a problem (crises) and then offer the solution. Using a crises to accomplish goals that could otherwise never be accomplished. Without 911 or Sandy Hook none of the liberty taking laws would have passed (or been accepted).

Do they get together at Round Tables? Yes! Most notably: Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and the list goes on and on.

I understand what was meant by we have common values of right and wrong. These days it appears those lines are being blurred more and more. Bombing and killing is now okay in the name of democracy. Christmas must be x-mas, can't say Easter bunny yet must tolerate everything else. Think about if the NFL comes out of the closet on national TV but, in a school you can't use the word Easter Bunny! Morals are being turned upside down.

I don't know

pointing out difference doesn't bother me, but this is what concerns me because the difference are not being pointed out...imo

http://www.dailypaul.com/280649/farrakhan-govt-killing-peopl...

As a matter of fact, it actually scares me.

Correction

Everyone see's what they want to see...until they cant believe what they are seeing!

It is my feeling that Time ripens all things; with Time all things are revealed; Time is the father of truth. ~Francois Rabelais

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

Everyone?

That is kind of hopeless...how can there be change if this is true?

Best advice - don't clump yourself into one group - diversify.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul