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Everyone sees what they want to see

In response to: Truthers continue to see what they want to see.

Everyone sees what they want to see:

  • The truthers and the antitruthers;
  • The believers and the non-believers;
  • The Rah-Rah-Randers and the Rand-Can-Do-No-Gooders;
  • The statists and the anarchists;
  • The gold bugs and the paper pushers;
  • The carnivores and the vegans;
  • The Keyensianists and the Austrianists;
  • The IP defenders and the trashers;
  • The Republicans, the Democrats.

Isn't that clear enough by now? Doesn't all the data here on the DP point in that direction? There is no way we can have unity, nor is there reason to. People believe what they believe until they change their mind. Or rather, until their minds are mystically, magically changed.

Don't take it personally, and don't hold it against anyone.

People see what they want to see. Everyone does it.

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If this post were true...

corrupt elites wouldn't have to spend trillions on propaganda as a means to divide and conquer the world's people. The vast majority of people share common values based on universally accepted notions of morality. These shared common values based on morality are the greatest threat to tyranny, that's why Hollyweird, politicians and the Global Military Industrial Complex, spend trillions fomenting corruption, division and hatred. Posts like this one support the divide and conquer agenda.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

For example Iowa straw poll

For example Iowa straw poll results as reported by the main stream media:

1 Michele Bachmann 4,823 28.6%

3 Tim Pawlenty 2,293 13.6%
4 Rick Santorum 1,657 9.8%
5 Herman Cain 1,456 8.6%
6 Rick Perry (write-in) 718 4.3%
7 Mitt Romney 567 3.4%
8 Newt Gingrich 385 2.3%
9 Jon Huntsman 69 0.4%

Did everyone get to see what they wanted? or what the mainstream media portrayed?

Your whole post made me LOL.

Your whole post made me LOL. For various reasons. Articulating two of them will suffice for my purposes.

"corrupt elites wouldn't have to spend trillions on propaganda as a means to divide and conquer the world's people."

First, this is a HUGE-a$$ assumption on your part here (on various levels). Are you in the minds of all those "corrupt elites" to say definitively that they all share the common goal of "dividing and conquering the world's people"? Did they get together at a round-table and lay that out as the ultimate aim? Was this on the agenda for aforementioned meeting, a copy of which you happened upon and wish to share with the DP community?

Of course not. Your vast and overly simplified conspiracy is more reasonably attributable to a complex confluence of selfish interests among big and small players alike. Only in your mind MUST there be a singular goal among all of these individuals "to divide and conquer the world's people."

Which brings me to the second of the points I will articulate:

Your comment, while openly calling into question the assertion of the OP, only goes to serve as perfect evidence for it.


I love me some irony.

Divide and conquer has been

Divide and conquer has been going on since Jesus was a bus boy. The same money changers have financed both sides of every major war in recent history. I can't imagine a bigger divide than war. The Democrats and Republicans are a pretty good example with wedge issues such as abortion always coming up when divide is needed yet year after year nothing changes.

To your question of common goal? No they have many tactics such as creating a problem (crises) and then offer the solution. Using a crises to accomplish goals that could otherwise never be accomplished. Without 911 or Sandy Hook none of the liberty taking laws would have passed (or been accepted).

Do they get together at Round Tables? Yes! Most notably: Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and the list goes on and on.

I understand what was meant by we have common values of right and wrong. These days it appears those lines are being blurred more and more. Bombing and killing is now okay in the name of democracy. Christmas must be x-mas, can't say Easter bunny yet must tolerate everything else. Think about if the NFL comes out of the closet on national TV but, in a school you can't use the word Easter Bunny! Morals are being turned upside down.

I don't know

pointing out difference doesn't bother me, but this is what concerns me because the difference are not being pointed out...imo


As a matter of fact, it actually scares me.


Everyone see's what they want to see...until they cant believe what they are seeing!

It is my feeling that Time ripens all things; with Time all things are revealed; Time is the father of truth. ~Francois Rabelais

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?


That is kind of hopeless...how can there be change if this is true?

Best advice - don't clump yourself into one group - diversify.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Tolerance is the

key to sustainable diversity. The greater the diversity, the stronger the health of the organism (collective humanity). I believe we should embrace this.

I Disagree - This Statement Is An Insult

To say that "we see what we WANT to see" is to say that:

1. We are wishful thinkers, and believe that the truth is dependent on OUR DESIRES, not reality.
2. We are dishonest, and we ignore reality in preference to OUR DESIRES.
3. We are irrational, and we do not reach conclusions through examination; we merely restate OUR DESIRES as our conclusions.

These are insults to our characters. And "agreeing to disagree" is equally dishonest; you either HAVE REASONS and you can state them, or you HAVE NO REASONS, and you ARE IRRATIONAL.

So "agreeing to disagree" is truly of no value and would devalue "agreements."

You just proved the

point of the statement. You have chosen to see is an insult, which is not what I see and nor do many others see it that way. The 3 statements you produced are projections coming out from within your mind but you mistakenly think it is contained within the author's statement while it clearly is not. This further demonstrates that each of us only sees what we choose to see or select the evidence that supports the beliefs which we hold within our minds.

This is the reality we face. It's part of the human experience. Let's do our best to recognize it and then perhaps develop improved communications with each other.

Well said.

Well said.

Obviously not everyone is going to agree on everything...

but the problem is that certain groups can't handle opposing views on here and gang up, bully, and downvote those who disagree with them. There seems to be a mob/clique mentality here and it's largely driven me away from this site. It's a shame, because the DP used to be my top source for news and liberty discussions. Now it seems to be a congregation of conspiracy theorists with everyone else shut out.

I don't play, I commission the league.

It is too bad. But every

It is too bad. But every unmoderated forum on the internet eventually devolves into cliques running the show, especially if there's a way for people to downvote or "neg" each other's posts.

Another feature of large internet forums is they're a honeypot for some of the weirdest people on the planet who are obsessed with certain topics. The more popular the forum, you don't get normal people talking casually and rationally about a subject, you get the most extreme ones. I was thinking for a while that it's like they're in a competition for who can come up with the wackiest new conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to think they believe them and it's just a matter of the site attracting some of the .0001% or whatever of people worldwide who are like that.

Alex Jones contributes some good info, but at times he seems to leap to conclusions, and I think a lot of people on here try to imitate him. Sometimes things come about not because of a great elaborate plan to do so but just because things came together and nobody really had an interest in stopping the weird path the various interests collectively pushed events down.

Personally I'm mostly interested in Austrian economics. I tried starting economic threads, to no avail. So although there are a number of brilliant people on this site who do make great posts, I'm losing interest in wading through the rest, and I plan on spending that time reading more economics books instead.

I am in exact tune with your

I am in exact tune with your first and third paragraphs. Thanks for saving me the time and risk of blogging-while-working.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

Trouble Is

Some of the people here DEMAND that we ALL see things their way or no way. I got enough of that from a Baptist preacher father-in-law to last a life time! Makes me nuts.


I don't see...

the activism.

Specifically, at the moment, I don't see people taking
the golden opportunity to confront the hypocrisy on the
issue of:

Prohibited Persons

(and yes, I want to)

The gun grabbers, at present, are framing the whole issue in terms of "gun safety"
and "keeping guns out of the hands of criminals" - how could anyone be against that?

When the issue of "prohibited persons" - the forty or however many million Americans who are prohibited - on pain of ten years in federal prison - from their 2nd Amendment rights altogether.

You're an elderly disabled person wanting to protect your couple of medical marijuana plants from marauding thugs with a single shot shotgun? Makes no difference at all - you're a felon - Eric Holder and Diane Feinstein say so, and so does 18 USC § 922(g) & (n)

So does this sound defensible? Of course not, but does DiFI have to worry about this? Of course not, because we are letting the control freaks define the debate and not making the slightest attempt to call them on this blatant hypocrisy.

Thousands of people asking the simple question, "Do you support the existing definitions of "prohibited persons" barred from the exercise of 2nd Amendment rights to the possession of firearms?" of their representatives would be a huge step toward redefining the whole debate.

If they agree that marijuana consumers are felons if they exercise their RKBA well, let them defend *that *. And if they answer otherwise, then ask them what they are doing to fix the system and decriminalize freedom.

Yeah, I would *love* to see this, but I don't...




Yes! +1 a thousand times.I

Yes! +1 a thousand times.

I just responded in a similar vein to a Forbes article that is getting positive vibes around here: http://www.dailypaul.com/280863#comment-3027527

Hegelian dialectic at work, and nobody's the wiser. The parameters of the debate have been defined, and, in the words of Tom Woods, if it's not on the "3x5 index card of establishment approved thoughts" then it is not allowed to be discussed, and most will never consider anything not on the card.

This is bar none the biggest obstacle to the paradigm shift most of us seek.

I disagree Micheal

those of us in the Oak Roots Club are proving you wrong on this point.

Just got to remember that not

Just got to remember that not aggression principle, and we're all good.

What about if everyone agrees to disagree?

That would make a huge difference in how people get along.

We all have our own ideas, prejudices, biases and beliefs. Guess we need to give each other a break.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Putting the idea in a

Putting the idea in a song.

Han Solo - Have a Nice Day (Bon Jovi)


And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Maybe we can

find out what we do agree on by reducing topics to singular fundamental "truths that we can agree on. I am attempted to do just that here:


Can we found out what we do agree on? Let find out...

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

The way I organize reality is

that I recognize there are infinite possibilities, and all are equally available to all observers. Whatever belief I formulate I can look out onto the infinite information and find evidence that supports my belief. The same is true for every other observer. This is why we have so many individuals with differing beliefs. Unfortunately, many tend to think their way is the "right" way and want others to view reality as they do in order to feel justified. This is a fruitless exercise, to me. I try to keep an open mind because I understand that I do not have all of the information nor does any other human being. We are each subject to the mystery.

It doesn't get me down to see some of the arguing taking place here. Perhaps many of us enjoy a good debate and feel like this is a worthy group of individuals to interact with in such a fashion. It's healthy, I believe, to exercise and strengthen our arguments and I hope that beyond this we realize that we are all in this together, as a family, and each of us has the others backs, despite our differences. I hope that everyone else can identify with this as well.

I'm looking forward to more passionate discussions. Let's keep them coming.

"Keep Conscience clear, then Never Fear."

'tener cojones'
We need some Balls here on the DP

Do you think our Founding Fathers were war-hungry ego maniacs looking for a fight?? No, they were just good and logical people that had been pushed just far enough...

Tener Cojones, por favor
Speak the Truth!

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

"People see what they want to see."

Well, I want to see the truth. Not some projection of the truth influenced by my beliefs, but the actual absolute truth. Please show it to me...

"The world is a dynamic mess of jiggling things, if you look at it right." - Richard Feynman

"That's not debatable" -

"That's not debatable" - Alex Jones


Truth as a final value

Quoting a DPer who agreed to its use:

"If my need to be Right is greater than my desire for Truth, I will not recognize it when it arrives." - LibertyBelle

"To the morally inverted, war appears as a quick, clear path to the top." -- Preston Parker

Where is LibertyBelle,

Where is LibertyBelle, haven't seen her around here in a while?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown