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Everyone sees what they want to see

In response to: Truthers continue to see what they want to see.

Everyone sees what they want to see:

  • The truthers and the antitruthers;
  • The believers and the non-believers;
  • The Rah-Rah-Randers and the Rand-Can-Do-No-Gooders;
  • The statists and the anarchists;
  • The gold bugs and the paper pushers;
  • The carnivores and the vegans;
  • The Keyensianists and the Austrianists;
  • The IP defenders and the trashers;
  • The Republicans, the Democrats.

Isn't that clear enough by now? Doesn't all the data here on the DP point in that direction? There is no way we can have unity, nor is there reason to. People believe what they believe until they change their mind. Or rather, until their minds are mystically, magically changed.

Don't take it personally, and don't hold it against anyone.

People see what they want to see. Everyone does it.

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I disagree Micheal

those of us in the Oak Roots Club are proving you wrong on this point.

Just got to remember that not

Just got to remember that not aggression principle, and we're all good.

What about if everyone agrees to disagree?

That would make a huge difference in how people get along.

We all have our own ideas, prejudices, biases and beliefs. Guess we need to give each other a break.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Putting the idea in a

Putting the idea in a song.

Han Solo - Have a Nice Day (Bon Jovi)


And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Maybe we can

find out what we do agree on by reducing topics to singular fundamental "truths that we can agree on. I am attempted to do just that here:


Can we found out what we do agree on? Let find out...

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

The way I organize reality is

that I recognize there are infinite possibilities, and all are equally available to all observers. Whatever belief I formulate I can look out onto the infinite information and find evidence that supports my belief. The same is true for every other observer. This is why we have so many individuals with differing beliefs. Unfortunately, many tend to think their way is the "right" way and want others to view reality as they do in order to feel justified. This is a fruitless exercise, to me. I try to keep an open mind because I understand that I do not have all of the information nor does any other human being. We are each subject to the mystery.

It doesn't get me down to see some of the arguing taking place here. Perhaps many of us enjoy a good debate and feel like this is a worthy group of individuals to interact with in such a fashion. It's healthy, I believe, to exercise and strengthen our arguments and I hope that beyond this we realize that we are all in this together, as a family, and each of us has the others backs, despite our differences. I hope that everyone else can identify with this as well.

I'm looking forward to more passionate discussions. Let's keep them coming.

"Keep Conscience clear, then Never Fear."

'tener cojones'
We need some Balls here on the DP

Do you think our Founding Fathers were war-hungry ego maniacs looking for a fight?? No, they were just good and logical people that had been pushed just far enough...

Tener Cojones, por favor
Speak the Truth!

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

"People see what they want to see."

Well, I want to see the truth. Not some projection of the truth influenced by my beliefs, but the actual absolute truth. Please show it to me...

"The world is a dynamic mess of jiggling things, if you look at it right." - Richard Feynman

"That's not debatable" -

"That's not debatable" - Alex Jones


Truth as a final value

Quoting a DPer who agreed to its use:

"If my need to be Right is greater than my desire for Truth, I will not recognize it when it arrives." - LibertyBelle

"To the morally inverted, war appears as a quick, clear path to the top." -- Preston Parker

Where is LibertyBelle,

Where is LibertyBelle, haven't seen her around here in a while?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

In order to see,

the eyes and mind must both be open.


Is there anything that people in power would NOT do to stay in power?

Would they steal, rape and murder to hide their crimes?

So, Why do we fight about the details of their evil instead of trying to
"Light this Darkness"

Natural Order

Facts Are Not Subjective

Facts are not subjective. By their very definition, they are objective. There is objective reality so to say "everyone sees what they want to see" should really say "people who see what they want to see are not objective." Remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but no one is entitled to their own facts.

This was obviously posted because of all the religious whackadoodle posts that have dominated this place lately driving people away.

I couldn't care less what you believe. You believe in zombies that rise from the dead after 3 days, star children, and sky fairies? Fine by me. In fact, I'll fight to the death to defend your right to believe those things.

But the moment you want to use gov to force people to conform to your beliefs, you are no longer part of the liberty movement. You are just another statist, no better than any of the rest of them. You become an enemy of liberty.

You don't get to pick and choose what is liberty. If there is no victim, there is no need for government to get involved. You are not a victim if two people of the same sex get married, or 5 people of the same sex get married, that's their business. If you had any real interest in liberty at all, you should argue government has no business in marriage PERIOD! It has no business conferring special rights on people who are married. So when you want government to be involved here, you are just another hypocrite who doesn't want to give up your freebies.

This will get voted down here, but that just proves why this place has become a laughing stock in the liberty movement. So you guys have fun talking about 9/11 Truth, Chemtrails, yada yada yada while the rest of use continue to do the heavy lifting while having to walk through the muck you make confusing the issues.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

"There is objective reality"

How do you know this for certain? Do you accept this on faith?

Sadly, zombie Jesus is more real to most Americans than:

And those other little clues that point to the truth.

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I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

You introduced a fallacy by

You introduced a fallacy by the third sentence, and by the second paragraph you're resorting to ad hominem attacks and leading the mob.

It's a pity, because for the first two sentences you almost seemed like you were saying something.

Everyone sees what they want to see has nothing to do with declaiming objective reality. People look at what they look at, stand where they want to stand, and examine what they want to examine. They are not omniscient. It's called having a point of view - very necessary when the world isn't one dimensional.

FYI - http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/mozart.html

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

So far, you're wrong on your

So far, you're wrong on your prediction about being downvoted (not a bad thing, indeed!). However, I do have clarifying questions on a particular statement you make, above all others:

"If there is no victim, there is no need for government to get involved."

This would seem to imply that government exists only to remedy the instances in which actual victims exist.

But this begs two questions (to begin with): namely, (1) How does one (or, more specifically, government) determine that there has been a victim, and therefore, that "there is (a) need for government to get involved"?

And (2) Even if there has been a victim, why does that necessitate government involvement, de facto?


I can't believe you are even

I can't believe you are even asking that question on a liberty forum. A victim, by defintion, is someone who has their rights violated by force or fraud. That is the very basis of all liberty. If you don't understand that you need to go back to square one and start over.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

I lost faith in the DP after

I lost faith in the DP after it started to endlessly promote imaginary money on its front page. Just when I thought Glenn Beck and his Goldline scam was shameful, the DP one ups him. At least Beck's victims were left with something. Goodbye.

and some can see the unseen!

Hebrews 11:1 KJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the great cop-out

...the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.

Basing your life on something that isn't real creates the exact same illusion that empowers the State. They want you to believe whatever they tell you regardless of how impossible or rediculous it may be.

Oh go,

Faith brings forward good things in me!

James 2:18 KJV
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


Well my Feisty Friend,

I'd like to know how to embed a picture...let me see if I can do it... http://jesuschristblog.blog.com/files/2011/10/jesus-holding-...

nope, this is all I know how to do so far...so you will have to click the link I suppose. I am the lamb...I'm not so sure Jesus looks like that, but He holds me like that...especially when I am out of options :)

I have never seen the picture you sent me. Do you know who is kissing whose feet or why? In our church our pastor dresses just like us. As a matter of fact, his clothes come out of the same closet as mine do. I happen to be married to him. He kisses my feet, but no one elses :)


Even I went through a dark

Even I went through a dark time when I had to make up an imaginary girlfriend. She looked a bit like Angelina Jolie and a bit like my ex. You're a stronger person than I because I could never have borne the thought of sharing her with billions of other people. =D

Did I offend you with my reply?

There is a mark down and I am thinking maybe I said the wrong thing. You see, I thought you were making fun of me and saying I was making up my husband. Now I am reading thinking, well if he wasn't making fun of my, then my words about 29 years and imaginary husband may have made him feel like I was making fun of him.

Oh gee, I have had an emotional day. I should probably log off of this forum before I spill to many more of my insides in front of billions of people...said with a smile, but seriously because it has been trying emotionally for me this afternoon.


No I didn't. I didn't even

No I didn't. I didn't even get what you meant. I though by husband you meant relationship with Jesus or something?! =D

You know like nuns say, they are married to Jesus etc. Congratulations anyway.

That is funny :)

I never even considered that you meant that! Thanks for getting back with me so I don't have to worry about having said the wrong thing. :)