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Everyone sees what they want to see

In response to: Truthers continue to see what they want to see.

Everyone sees what they want to see:

  • The truthers and the antitruthers;
  • The believers and the non-believers;
  • The Paul supporters and the Paul haters;
  • The statists and the anarchists;
  • The gold bugs and the paper pushers;
  • The carnivores and the vegans;
  • The Keyensianists and the Austrianists;
  • The IP defenders and the trashers;
  • The Republicans, the Democrats.

Isn't that clear enough by now? Doesn't all the data here on the DP point in that direction? There is no way we can have unity, nor is there reason to. People believe what they believe until they change their mind. Or rather, until their minds are mystically, magically changed.

Don't take it personally, and don't hold it against anyone.

People see what they want to see. Everyone does it.

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I lost faith in the DP after

I lost faith in the DP after it started to endlessly promote imaginary money on its front page. Just when I thought Glenn Beck and his Goldline scam was shameful, the DP one ups him. At least Beck's victims were left with something. Goodbye.

and some can see the unseen!

Hebrews 11:1 KJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the great cop-out

...the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.

Basing your life on something that isn't real creates the exact same illusion that empowers the State. They want you to believe whatever they tell you regardless of how impossible or rediculous it may be.

Oh go,

Faith brings forward good things in me!

James 2:18 KJV
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

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Well my Feisty Friend,

I'd like to know how to embed a picture...let me see if I can do it... http://jesuschristblog.blog.com/files/2011/10/jesus-holding-...

nope, this is all I know how to do so far...so you will have to click the link I suppose. I am the lamb...I'm not so sure Jesus looks like that, but He holds me like that...especially when I am out of options :)

I have never seen the picture you sent me. Do you know who is kissing whose feet or why? In our church our pastor dresses just like us. As a matter of fact, his clothes come out of the same closet as mine do. I happen to be married to him. He kisses my feet, but no one elses :)

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Even I went through a dark

Even I went through a dark time when I had to make up an imaginary girlfriend. She looked a bit like Angelina Jolie and a bit like my ex. You're a stronger person than I because I could never have borne the thought of sharing her with billions of other people. =D

Did I offend you with my reply?

There is a mark down and I am thinking maybe I said the wrong thing. You see, I thought you were making fun of me and saying I was making up my husband. Now I am reading thinking, well if he wasn't making fun of my, then my words about 29 years and imaginary husband may have made him feel like I was making fun of him.

Oh gee, I have had an emotional day. I should probably log off of this forum before I spill to many more of my insides in front of billions of people...said with a smile, but seriously because it has been trying emotionally for me this afternoon.

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No I didn't. I didn't even

No I didn't. I didn't even get what you meant. I though by husband you meant relationship with Jesus or something?! =D

You know like nuns say, they are married to Jesus etc. Congratulations anyway.

That is funny :)

I never even considered that you meant that! Thanks for getting back with me so I don't have to worry about having said the wrong thing. :)

I couldn't help replying, the

I couldn't help replying, the dog in your pic is just tooooo cute =P

Thanks

Her name was Pookie Bear, or Precious - formal name, may she rest in peace. She was our first "child." My ID is taken from her name "bear" a fasst way to log on!

Well, me and my imaginary husband just shared our 29th Anniversa

ry yesterday, 4/7. We have been thru thick and thin. I am used to sharing him with a church full of people. However, the most difficult thing I have had to learn is to share him with our children. You see, we were married for almost 20 years before the boys came along and I had him all to myself at home, and now I can't get a word in edgewise! Thus my need to share with a billion people lol :)

Wouldn't trade the 29 years or the boys for anything though. Just a new phase of life to get used to...the laundry and the meals are a challenge. Cooking used to last 3 meals of left overs because Jeff didn't mind abit eating them. Now I can barely scrape an extra lunch out of a dinner :)

I have been doing laundry all day because I refuse to do it on the weekend and I am still not caught up.

I did get a pedicure for spring this evening at 5:45 when I should have been feeding them and he didn't say a word. I really didn't realize what I had done until I was trying to plan the day between school, sports, and my appointment. Then all the sudden I remembered dinner for my men. They went out for BBQ. He is very patient! I am not the perfect wife :)

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(((((((((((((bear)))))))))))

Happy Anniversary and many many more filled with blessings and LOVE.

(((((((((((((Thanks Granger!))))))))))))))))

It was fun to see (((((((((((((bear))))))))))))))))) on the side and click on it!!! Just like opening an Anniversary Card :)

Bear, you are so gentle with

Bear, you are so gentle with us roughnecks. It's good to have you around here!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Thank you Ira,

it is nice to be here. I especially love you roughnecks...for some strange reason! Thanks for letting me hang out with you :)

my thoughts

Firstly, I agree with this post.
Secondly, I think it could be expanded.

I notice that there are a lot of replies that make statements about critical thinking, and only using facts to base your opinions on etc etc. The thing is, everyone IS doing this ! They are making their best analysis of reality based on their experiences and perspective.

Facts are subjective depending on your field of view and choices about what is going on. IMO nothing is unchangeable. What the discerning individual will do is observe the FACT that there are as many different opinions about what is real as their are people in the world, therefor theirs is not THE "right one". It is quite a humbling consideration.

Freedom is a byproduct of acceptance - judge not.

The problem is the downvoting

... and ridicule from the small cliques of supporters who bury skeptical posts or responses. The problem is that these people hold the fallacious belief that if only their skeptical opponents just "opened their minds enough" they would come around to their "correct" conclusion. The problem is that those who disagree with these people and voice valid criticisms get shouted down or labeled as closed-minded shills instead of having their views considered and respected.

I consider myself a skeptic of several near-and-dear beliefs which frequently appear in upvoted threads on the DP. I used to voice my opinion in these threads, but these days I just downvote and move on rather than respond. There's just no point to wading into these minefields anymore. I'll just get shouted down, because all the other skeptics who'd agree with me also avoid these threads.

But a lot of that's probably because we don't yet have a presidential election to talk about. Once the 2016 election gets into full swing, those types of posts won't be as numerous. I hope.

indeed

I think that a someone who is interested in finding truth would embrace a debate rather than attack an alternative. Truth is revealed through investigation, not domination.

Freedom is a byproduct of acceptance - judge not.

Great post Michael

Logged in just to rate it + 1.

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More like, everyone sees what

More like, everyone sees what you post to the front page. How about more posts with a little skepticism and less paranoid posts that are constantly jumping to conclusions.

The purpose of decentralized government

The concept of states rights being superior to the power of the federal government is because of exactly this problem. No one will ever agree on the best way to govern, ever! Rather than try to force everyone under the same system (other than one that protects the most basic of rights), you allow people the freedom to live in any state they like (or can afford) and make the best of it.

And for those saying that all you have to do is look closely at the evidence, or the facts to come to a knowledge of the truth don't appreciate the complexity of the world. Most things are not physics. You can't isolate variables and observe repeatable results in a lab in politics. Nothing has only one cause or one effect. History is always suspect, regardless of which ideology your favorite narrative seems to support. And even when you have a wide exposure to a lot of information, from a variety of sources, it is still subject to interpretation.

The true libertarian is not someone that looks down on those who don't see things the same way. Rather, a true libertarian wants nothing more than to be left alone, free to interact with others on a voluntary basis. Securing that right demands a critical mass of libertarian thinking, so it's understandable that many get impatient and frustrated with others not 'seeing the light'. Those doing their best to spread the word would do well to focus on technique rather than 'facts' imho. The facts are already out there, most people either see them differently than you, or just give more weight to other facts for whatever reason. Understanding the reasons why they think the way they do instead of showing them why they are wrong will generally yield much better results.

"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him?" -Thomas Jefferson

Education

I think that some people have less mental horsepower at their disposal than others and even those with brains, if they have never been taught how to reason, how to discern and how to apply logic, they too will improperly process the stimulus that their senses provides their brains.

A case in point is the middle school teacher who is pretending to be a scientist or engineer or architect and is putting forth is "opinion" regarding subjects WAY WAY WAY outside of his realm of ability. He may be a swell fellow, a great dad a wonderful husband and exemplary son, however he has never been taught how to think and therefore goes off on things about which he knows nothing and criticizes those who have been taught how to properly process information. He may have the brainpower to properly process information but if he has never been educated, he is more likely than not to make errors with his thoughts.

As others have noted, it is all about the evidence. Intelligent, mature adults reject superstitions. They are able to ignore the superfluous nonsense and apply the known laws of physics etc. to situations they are trying to understand. It takes effort and is not something for the lazy-minded people.

Sometimes there are flaws in process too

The middle school teacher understand some things about logic and process. Sometimes the smartest people, with a lot of facts at their disposal screw up the process. Many in the 911 truth movement do this - first clue is the dramatic, propaganda music they use in their videos.

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Sometimes these things are PREFERENCES too

If someone prefers chocolate over vanilla, it's pretty much impossible to explain away their preference, no matter good your arguments are.

Much of what is debated is wholly individual preference, even when there are facts and outcomes and everything else attached.

Currently consuming: Harry Browne, Free Domain Radio; JT Gatto and Holt; Wii U

Look into the

EVIDENCE. The truth will set you free.

I completely agree!

However, I never really felt 'awake' so to speak in regards to liberty or politics and what I now consider the truth until I was exposed to RP in 2007. Will this feeling continue to happen over again as my beliefs evolve? Do dems/reps have this same feeling of excitement for the truth and hunger for wisdom because I would guess that they don't...

Just a thought.

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Even when confronted with

Even when confronted with irrefutable facts that contradict their views, people are incapable of changing their minds. When Madeline Albright was asked if the deaths of half a million children was worth the price of our sanctions against Iraq, I heard her, I saw the interview, but it didn't REGISTER. I forgot all about it until after I saw that Ron Paul bumpersticker that changed my life. Only when we have an open mind can we accept reality. Only when something finally clicks. People see what they want to see. They make their own reality.

PattyFromTexas

Mystery…………!!!

People take their beliefs and ways of seeing the world way too seriously. Everybody should once in the while take a vacation from their beliefs. Believe for while something else or don't believe anything for a while; is that possible.

Then it is important to understand that there are some things that are impossible to avoid. There are certain facts of life, but no fact has any meaning in-itself. The contexts, horizons, and atmospheres give every fact meaning and if one changes the context from one to another the meaning of the facts changes. Play with your contexts and horizons of life and understanding. These contexts and atmospheres are religious (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist), scientific (natural or human), cultural (Western [American, Italian], Eastern, African [Egyptian, Somalian, Nigerian]), historical, etc. Jump from one atmosphere to another and free yourself from what has become a habitual for you.

Then one can also try to put all traditions aside, that is, truly try to free oneself, that is, become free of all possible traditions by trying to get to the root, origin or beginning of all these traditions. Then one could try to become a beginner. How is possible to see the world in some many ways? How are these different ways of seeing the world rooted? What makes it possible that same thing can be seen scientifically, religiously, psychologically, etc.? Is there something more original or primordial than all these different ways of seeing and believing?

Is there a possibility to just see? Not to see scientifically, religiously, culturally, etc.? Just to see without any ready-made conceptual systems, without any ready-made belief systems? To see freely; is it possible? Would that be true freedom? What does it mean to see? Or what does it mean to hear, to smell, to walk, to speak, to dance, to move, to breathe? What are these mysterious ways of existing that are given to us or what we find ourselves with? How do we relate to these mysteries which life has given to us as embodied beings? How do they open us to the mysteries of the world, how do they give us every moment access to things, other people around us? Can we free ourselves to these questions without trying to answer them with some ready-made learned answers, explanations or theories? Can we become more and more astonished about all of this? I am, the world is, others are, things exist around us and all of these are related to each other manifold ways and we will never know for sure what this all means, or how are all of these so called things related to each other.

Forget for awhile Christianity, New Age, Science, Buddhism, Taoism, Ron Paul, US Constitution, Nationality, Race, all spiritual leaders, etc. Start to trust your first opening to the world which is your experience before you learned or believed anything. The biggest mystery is we have hands, feet, mouths, noses, ears, eyes and they give us access perpetually to world. Our openness to the world is the biggest mystery there is. This openness is always before anything else, before different ways of seeing and believing.

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--