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NC Republican state legislators propose State religion. Using our Constitution to fulfill their biblical agenda.

Told you so. Republican party and fanatical Christians are dangerous to your freedom. Period.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-reli...

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A truly "Fanatical Christian"

who believed in the primacy of free will would never propose any law imposing any religious belief on anybody. Please be careful about your definitions.

It is possible for a "True Christian" (which I define as "someone who is going to Heaven if Jesus Christ turns out to be God") to support oppressive laws which deny religious freedom, because of human imperfection. However this trait is not confined to Christians, it is possible for an adherent of any faith, or for an outright atheist, to support such laws. One poster on this site, for instance, who was explicitly atheist, proposed a law banning clergy from holding public office. Now, THAT is unconstitutional ("no religious test for public office"), as well as clearly being an establishment of religion.

Try to understand that all humans are imperfect, and that while they may claim to be acting in God's name, it ain't always so!

I am a christian myself, but

I am a christian myself, but be assured, constitutionally they(faux christians) cant do that...even if it was the intent because of the seperation of church and state. THAT is what seperation of church and state means...not keeping prayer out of public schools or state assemblies(which in fact goes against the freedom of religion, though I certainly dont believe people should be forced to participate or to start a meeting that way, but if they want to they shouldnt be prevented either), it means that there can be no state sponsored religion and that the church(s) maintain no actual political power(any large organization of course has some political influence of course with our corrupt officials, but they have no direct political power such as a senate vote reserved for the church)

Your assessment is also inaccurate.

As far as I can tell, the intent of the bill is to allow commissioners to open with prayer, a tradition that's being attacked by a lawsuit.

Cry me a freakin' river, nobody's forcing anyone to convert.

That is not their intent

and these freaks will not use our Constitution to spread their chosen myth and they will not use the Liberty Movement to spread their biblical agenda. Eyes open real Liberty activists. They are just getting started.

Be carefrul what you define as "Christian".

If you know anything about TRUE Christianity and the Word of God you will understand that much of what is represented as Christian in this country is counterfeit.

I don't even like to use the word Christian any more because of the bad connotation it represents.

I have been reading the book of Acts...the Way is a much more apt description of that faith which involves belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

I'll affiliate with that name instead.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I thought the 'state'

I thought the 'state' religion was submission to 'government authority'?

Southern Agrarian

Maryland had a state religion

it is gone now. But the constitution does not prevent a state from doing this. The constitution only prohibits Congress from making an official religion.

Time to wake up.

Yeah, poor oppressed Christians. How could we not allow this ban?

"The North Carolina state constitution disqualifies those who do not believe in God from public office. The provision has been unenforceable since the 1961 Supreme Court decision in Torcaso v. Watkins, which prohibited such bans."

It's Brilliant!!!!!

Freedom ids popular!!! Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.

The religion bill comes as some Republican-led states seek to separate themselves from the federal government, primarily on the issues of guns and Obamacare. This includes a proposal in Mississippi to establish a state board with the power to nullify federal laws.

No it's not.

Wake up REAL Liberty activists. We have a growing Christian fanatic problem in this country and in the Liberty Movement. They are not poor oppressed lovers of Jesus. They have a political agenda and they want to force their faith on non-believers because it's the "truth". The Constitution is simply a tool they are using to reach their biblical agenda. How much more obvious does it have to be?

NO! They Don't!!

This is not to say that there are those who are not for the agenda you propose, but it is to say this:

When I attended the CA GOP convention, and by the help from DP community, I was able to attend events sich as the Prayer Breakfast, they are NOT a majority, nor do they have they power in the GOP (they are a side attraction).

Where I live, we have women's and men's Christian Association, and I enjoy attending the events because I get to meet and be with friends from all over the county, and I get to attend their Churches and see their programs.. and no one of trying to FORCE me to join their Church. Yes, they would be happy if I did. And maybe people do change Churches; However, the point I'm making to you is that Americans appreciate the diversity, it is up to God, the GRACE of God is what will bring people into a Chruch, NOT politics. That is NOT what Rand is doing or porposing. He is getting the Federal Government OUT of Chirch by empowering the states.

I think it's brilliant.

A big difference between you

A big difference between you and us is you try to persuade a mob to get what you want - basically seeking permission from a group of people for anything and everything, and we just ask God. It must not be good to be you.

Oh yes, and prayer. Whatever is the world coming to??

A large % of our founders who signed the Declaration of Independence were governors of the States at one time or another. And yes, they issued proclamations calling for prayer.

You're an American right? And already knew this?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Are you a Christian extremist?

Who is this "us" you are referring to? I'm a Christian. I think Christian religious fanatics are ruining my faith and I know for a FACT they have NO interest in securing Liberty for ALL Americans. They have a biblical agenda and it has now become OBVIOUS.

You don't know our history,

You don't know our history, you act like some paid (and dumb) infiltrator with all these posts.

Go back and tell them you aren't worth the pay.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Alittle history alot of people

Don't know.

On the Baptist influence on our Constitution: http://www.pbministries.org/History/John%20T.%20Christian/vo...

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Our history

of Deists? Our history of religious extremism that murdered millions of Native Americans? The Christian actions during the Witch Trials? The Crusade? Which history? Poor oppressed Christians.

Not accurate.

The comment consists of sweeping generalizations and guilt by association, along with inaccurate characterization of the origins of certain actions.

First: Deist? The Founders were overwhelmingly Protestant Christian: http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

Second: "Religious extremism that murdered millions of Native Americans?" What on Earth are you trying to say? The destruction of the Native Americans was due, initially, to accidental introduction of disease, followed by active extermination by government in the 19th century - neither of which had anything to do with religion. If you're referring to the Spaniards in South America, sure, but even that was really motivated by treasure more than anything else.

Third: Ah, the witch trials, the single most exaggerated action in the history of attacking Christians. Yes, they happened in the Americas a couple of times, but were not by any means the epidemic they're often portrayed as. In Europe, yes, usually with the blessing of the corrupt (at the time) Catholic Church, which operated... wait for it... as a government itself.

Fourth: The Crusades were fought for the same freaking reason as any other war. Land (that is, power) and political capital (that is, power).

In short, the problem is not and never has been "religious extremism," but rather the State getting its hands on a convenient excuse. The Soviets used an atheist ideology - Marxism - as their excuse.

The problem is the State, brother, not religion.