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The 9/11 Pentagon Challenge

This is an open challenge to anyone who believes that American Airlines flt 77 was not flown into the Pentagon in a kamikaze attack by hijackers. This challenge has nothing to do with any other theories concerning 9/11, only the theory that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

Provide ANY real evidence to support that claim. Opinions of what flight path is possible or not, or opinions of what a kamikaze attack scene "should" look like, are not real evidence. Sorry to those who that may seem a little condescending to, but there are people on this site that not only think opinions are real evidence, some call a persons opinion "irrefutable evidence".

For example, this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o
I know some people love it, but there is not one piece of evidence in this whole documentary that is not an opinion. And it attempts to build a case that a plane did not hit the Pentagon from eyewitness testimonies that SAW THE PLANE. And they intentionally do not interview any of the many people who saw the plane hit then Pentagon, because that doesn't fit there story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cT8WWt61eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue6PniAv0r8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbhbXMfh6eQ

Real evidence would include but not necessarily be limited to:
Eyewitness accounts of something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon.
Photo or credible documentation of any piece or part of a missile or anything else, other than the American Airlines plane found in the wreckage of Pentagon.
Any eyewitness account to the scene afterwards during the cleanup or investigation that either say they saw no plane wreckage, or they saw plane wreckage being planted.
Real video of something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon.

Comments that are solely insults and/or personal attacks and that have no links to evidence, will be assumed to be because YOU COULD NOT PROVIDE ANY REAL EVIDENCE. I understand some of you are frustrated by that inability and will personally attack me anyway, that's fine, expose your inability to produce anything to defend your argument. That's why I challenge you to do it.

For evidence that American Airlines did indeed hit the Pentagon on 9/11, see these links:
http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77ev...
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/pentagonattackpage2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqLTpnyBd0

That is a good summary of my real evidence. You can look through this thread and compare the evidence for the differing theories and make your own decision.
UPDATE:I am done answering repetitious comments asking questions or showing evidence I have already addressed. So if you don't get a reply, it's probably because I have already addressed what you state/show and you can find my answer in this thread already. Anything new I will eventually reply to.




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fireant's picture

I wish we could move beyond this.

There IS evidence of a real conspiracy surrounding 911, but it garners so little attention due to all the "not AA77" nonsense (along with controlled demolition, for which there is no evidence).
Meanwhile, the fact the Bush administration clearly, with documented evidence, obstructed investigation into the planning and financing gets a pass.
If we truly are seeking truth, we would be demanding, in unison, to know the contents of all the redacted FBI files. Phillip Marshall was on the trail, and fell victim to "suicide": http://www.infowars.com/cia-killed-phillip-marshall-for-leak...

Undo what Wilson did

Many People Reportedly Witnessed a Plane Hit the Pentagon

September 11, 2001 was a Tuesday, a normal workday. At 9:40am one of the exterior faces of the Pentagon building in Arlington, Virginia collapsed due to what is believed to have been caused by an impact of an object moving through the air at high speed. It was reported the object was American Airline flight 77.

This area around Arlington, Virginia is commercially dense with commuter vehicle traffic and tens of thousands of people sightseeing, traveling to and from Reagan International Airport and generally going about their daily business. The Pentagon building itself is less than 1500 feet from South Washington Boulevard and Jefferson Davis Highway (see: http://maps.google.com/ ---> type in "Pentagon").

On a clear sunny day over 100 people said they saw a plane hit the Pentagon. This has been documented here on a 9/11 research site (see: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart... ).

So what is the rational that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon when there were so many eyewitness accounts on that fateful day?

They are all on the govt.s

They are all on the govt.s payroll!! /sarc

No.7's picture

bump. +1

Thank you for pursuing truth.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

no one . who isn't on the gov payroll,

Agrees with you. Please concede defeat, again, and get off the stage.

Dimensions & heat

Questions of intensity of fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0

Prior to roof collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcWT2lQszEE

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Please

Look through the thread a little, and then post if you have something new. So far you haven't, the second video you posted I just replied to a couple of comments below.

first video
measurements of damage precollapse near bottom
http://911review.com/articles/stjarna/eximpactdamage.html

second video
read what he was answering to and what he said before that
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.35.html

Flight 77 Evidence Summary

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77ev...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Hey

That's one of my links. So you agree with me now that AA flt 77 did hit the Pentagon, that's good. It's pretty clear if you really look into it and are a reasonably intelligent person that is not irrational.

To any outsider...

You're desperately groping in the dark to hold on to your comforting illusions. Be brave, brother, the truth will set you free. We're not called the "truth movement" for nothing. Peace.

Inconsistencies

I believe there are a lot of inconsistencies with what happened that day and you have to look at all the information available before you can form a view.

I don't know if 77 hit the Pentagon. But the records look like a lot of people saw it that way. I read that first responders did find human remains and that they accounted for 184 passengers at Dover AFB. But the topic seems to be shrouded in mystery.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Pentagon Employee

Pentagon Employee Says Plane Did Not Crash into Building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXC1aTZhxhM

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

You are

probably like the 4th or 5th person to bring up April Gallop. So if you want my reply, just look through the thread a little.

sharkhearted's picture

You can't ignore the untouched lawn

...outside the pentagon.

And you cant ignore the Pentagon Police studs (why would they have a motivation to lie?) who will "bet their life on it" that the plane was to the NORTH of the Citgo...which DIAMETRICALLY contradicts the official NTSB "official" track.

You can't ignore these items.

You can't ignore the legion testimonies of internal explosions from Pentagon employees...but please DO ignore the govt paid actors who make up MOST of the discredited government "witnesses" who saw a 757 hit that day.

The DISINFORMATION is BREATHTAKING.

At some point...the truth is going to win out. Not even Illuminati pay-no-attention-to the man behind the screen- DECEPTION will work for our generation.

Fool me once.....

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

only ONE camera was working that day.

and it was in the fricking parking lot. what does that alone say?

to accept the official conspiracy theory at face value makes incompetent fools of everyone who was on duty at that hour. it is not like it happened on a weekend or a holiday.

what this guy is effectively doing is holding up the lack of evidence like it was some sort of banner of truth.

this guy could not explain atmospheric pressure to me if I gave him a week to do it.

It says that as a tax payer

you must demand that the very organization that was "keeping you safe" was being negligent. Sue the bastards! It's your money!

The Pentagon is not a daycare center.

gross incompetence was on CLEAR display. that is NOT the same as negligence Dear.
they were made or shown to be the incompetent fools that they are or were on that day.
can it seriously be argued that on that day they showed due diligence? methinks.... NOT!

So are you saying that

flight 77 was flown into the pentagon by coerced hi-jackers?

No

No I don't believe they were coerced. Infiltrated. They weren't doing it against their will, they just were being led and helped to do it by confidential informants or undercover intelligence.
Timothy McVeigh didn't bomb the OKC building against his own will, he wanted to do it, but he was helped by agents and confidential informants to get the stuff he needed. They helped him rob banks if I recall correctly. He thought they were down for the cause, and they were, but for other reasons than his.

Thank you mrbengal.

Now I know where you are coming from. I don't necessarily agree with you, as personally I don't think there were any actual, flying hi-jackers in the 1st place...but we will leave that argument for another day.
Until then,
Cheers.

CNN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcWT2lQszEE

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Yeah that got me too. Oh I

Yeah that got me too. Oh I was a no planer for quite a few years because I believed stuff like these edited clips. Read this transcript of the whole interview.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.35.html
http://www.911myths.com/McIntyre.mp3

You And Snakepit

Really need to get new jobs. You both suck at arguing this subject. Go troll America's got talent or something. THOSE people might buy your crap.

skippy

sharkhearted's picture

Agreed 100% Skippy d

Must be nice to be a government (taxpayer) funded confusion agent.

Not sure how bengal sleeps with himself at night without getting creeped out from a dirty corrupt conscience.

But then again, Skippy d, neither you or me are sociopaths...or even dumb mind-controlled sheep bureaucrats...so WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THEM IF WE TRIED LOL.

I pity them. I really do.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Thanks And I Totally Agree With You

I told Snakepit what for too. He/she constantly jumps into any 9/11 thread with a bunch of useless garbage that only accomplishes making him/her look bad. It's pathetic really. It wouldn't be so pathetic if these people weren't SO obvious!

skippy

Yeah the funny thing is that

Yeah the funny thing is that your worthless comment added as much real evidence to this thread that no plane hit the Pentagon as anybody else's did.

He doesn't have provide evidence, only the lack of evidence

Were you born yesterday? Real evidence? Rather lack of evidence!

lack of evidence: no skid marks
lack of evidence: no fuel burn-off, no grass burned

lack of evidence: that the entire plane fit inside that little bitty hole
Where's the plane?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o

edit "no plane paint on the wall", a little far-fetched one might think, technically speakin' its not, but just looks silly in an overall look of things? O.k. removed. Engine indentations are much better.

These two men wouldn't lie to you would they?

Donald Rumsfeld using the word missile. (yes I know it was explained away as a transcript error, and I know that I would get missile and airplane mixed up too, they are so alike as words) .http://911falseflagarchive.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/secretary-of-defense-donald-rumsfeld.html
And here, one of the trusted 9/11 commissioners.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRFvavH_vk

Jill, you must understand

Jill, you must understand that the planes were USED as missiles (even an arrow is a missile), so its very easy to see why 'plane' and 'missile' could be used interchangeably.

As for the 'shot down' probably slip of the tongue while saying 'brought down'.