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This fully engulfed 40 story skyscraper should collapse into its own footprint any minute now...right?


http://youtu.be/izNDNHK3_N8

GROZNY, Russia (TheBlaze/AP) — Fire has engulfed an unoccupied 40-story apartment building currently under construction in Chechnya, a once war-torn republic in southern Russia.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/03/stunning-photos-l...




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Just watched a Documentary on Tall Buildings

It seems impossible for the steel tube designed buildings to collapse under their own weight.

Worse case scenario if you had structural failure that resulted in all or most of the supports cut somewhere at the top is that floor would collapse, or the top of the building would fall off if shear at an angle. If cut at the bottom, the building would smash those floors and remain upright, or tip over.

I bet that you could build a scale model of the twin towers with an under-scaled steel support system and you still couldn't get the tower to collapse under its own weight in the manner which it fell. You may get a few floors to pancake, with damage to several floors near those that pancaked, but not very many.

Apartment tower in China burned for 40 mins

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1494030/fire-dalian-b...

Not very long, not very hot, but it still burned and didn't collapse.

Southern Agrarian

It collapsed.

No, not the skyscraper in Chechnya. A 16-story residential building in Dar Es Salaam.
But unlike the case for WTC Building 7, which allegedly collapsed of its own volition and, according to reports, caused no loss of life, eleven people were held responsible for the 36 deaths in Dar Es Salaam.

I can't think of Bldg 7 without recalling Barry Jennings, the Deputy Director of Emergency Services Department for the New York City Housing Authority - who survived the multiple explosions before the building's collapse, stepping over dead bodies in the blown-to-bits lobby as he fled the building after his rescue - who then died two days before the final NIST Report on WTC7 was released. May his soul rest in peace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tr0TZa3WeI

Tanzania: Eleven Charged in Dar es Salaam Building Collapse
~ http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/raw-deadly-building-collapse-...
~ http://allafrica.com/stories/201304050100.html

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Bump for Barry.

Bump for Barry.

Just open the box and see

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Indeed, Barry Jennings knew too much...

...and he was talking.

There is a youtube video out that chronicles the multiple uber-mysterious "accidental" deaths of 9-11 key witnesses and whistleblowers. It is tragic. And angering. Music is not that good, but worth your watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

JenningsMystery.com

Thank you, sharkhearted. I'd seen that clip, a couple times, but I watched it again. As it says at that website - in a letter to the New York Times calling for an investigation into Barry Jennings' death - he lives on through videos that are posted. Actually, I think that music loop is on the mark: kind of haunting. May all their souls rest in peace.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

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More footage of this fully engulfed skyscraper the size of WTC7

...and that salient pertinent fact that it...DOES NOT COLLAPSE.

http://beforeitsnews.com/9-11-and-ground-zero/2013/04/chechn...

And here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XAsX...

CRAZINESS.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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Can't believe some STILL got their heads up their ass about WTC7

I wrote: "Yet he [Eric Hoffer] ignores the fact that WTC7 descended at free fall acceleration for the first 10 floors (meaning that some where in the floors below, suddenly 10 entire footprints gave way at once)."

Eric Hoffer wrote back: "No it didn't. You can clearly see a tilt and lean in the fall and it falls in some areas before others. Nice try."

I responded this way:

"You can clearly see a tilt...in the fall and it falls in some areas before others." ??? LOL

Is that the best you can do??

Oh...you are talking about the core areas?? Yeah, dude that is called classic CONTROLLED DEMOLITION where the core of the building goes first, pulling the four perimeter walls inward.

Yeah I see those elevator and mechanical penthouses at the top of the building disappearing first, just like they are supposed to!

But the FASCIA of the building, on all sides which would include the perimeter columns and the perimeter walls and the windows, the first 10 floors or so of such...DID INDEED descend at the speed of gravity.

It took a high school physics teacher to confront NIST with the calculations and the clear videographic evidence, and NIST finally had to admit it into the record.

Now, the only way 10 floors can "collapse" at free fall acceleration, is for 10 floors somewhere below to suddenly cease to exist.

Where did those floors below go? Did they magically slip into a parallel universe? Or were they BLOWN TO BITS???

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

"mechanical penthouses" that one made me smile.

of all the things I have called them somehow I missed that one!

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Yeah I guess "mechanical rooms" is probably more generic

But the term is used to describe it. See letter c. below.

Free Dictionary definitions here:

pent·house (pnthous)
n.
1.
a. An apartment or dwelling situated on the roof of a building.
b. A residence, often with a terrace, on the top floor or floors of a building.
c. A structure housing machinery on the roof of a building.

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Does seem like an oxymoron though, because the term "penthouse" connotes a top floor luxury unit...where "mechanical" connotes the grease and grime of elevator cables and whirring HVAC machines.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

if it is on the roof, I call it the Doghouse.

if it is in the basement I call it the dungeon. the reason that I call the water distribution tubes on a cooling tower "spiders" is not because they look like one.
the reason is to stop girls from taking my job!

even with my level of knowledge and understanding, I abandoned talking with most folks about 9/11.
I have found over the years that most folks cannot even identify what type of equipment they have.

I have also found that most men want to think they know about this stuff, but what they are actually doing is to seek knowledge. they will milk you for info but not join the cause.
today about the only people I will talk with about it is those that are aware of what red steel is....
you have a good understanding of the subjects involved.
I support your efforts. I did not look into these events un till 2006.
much to my chagrin
peace..

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Coming from you, man, that is a great compliment

You are a smart, smart dude. You talk on a very deep level. Almost like you have subterfuge attending along with your surface words. (Compliment) I encourage you to please continue talk about these critical issues regarding 9/11 because you are very convincing and you can awaken people one by one from the mass brainwashing event that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001.

I appreciate your efforts as well. And I did not look into these events until six years after you, when my brainwashing wore off (literally) in 2012.

Ever since...it has been BALLS TO THE WALL.

Peace to you as well.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Apparently, you can still fool some of the people

all of the time.....

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Alright, any second now...any...second..

Just waiting.............................................................................I hear some debris falling...nope, still up....................still waiting.................*sigh*.......................

I fu**ing hate this topic. I really do because the people that were actually behind it are still free.

FUCK.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

A week later...

and I never did hear how many hours it took for this steel structure to collapse at free-fall speed into its own footprint in a pile of dust from furniture and carpeting on fire. How many hours was it?..or is it still there?

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

This Is One Of The Most Convincing Videos

I have ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2CVAnRByfg

skippy

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Thanks Skippy

Checking it out now...

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

building 7 had no where near

building 7 had no where near that much damage and collapsed... lmao. It wasn't even burning.

You're kidding me

You're actually saying WTC7 wasn't burning or was barely burning?

If I prove this false with pictures/video, will you agree to never make this statement again?

Eric Hoffer

I love how the 9/11 topic

exposes GovCorp Inc tools like yourself.

Anyone who responds to you with logic is clueless to the fact that you're not paid to be logical.

LOL

I just want to make this clear:

If I show you video and photos of it burning to a huge degree, will you or will you not continue making the claim it was barely burning?

Like, all of the obvious ad hominems you throw at me aside, can we get some agreement on this? If I show photos and video of it burning intensely, will you stop making this obviously false statement?

Eric Hoffer

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Response VIII to Eric Hoffer

Mr. Hoffer said:

"So until you educate yourself regarding theories that have been proven obviously false, you're going to just keep spewing crap and patting yourselves on the back, being ignored while you howl about free fall speeds and magic thermite outside the window of the scientific community.
Sorry man, but that's the truth."

Eric Hoffer

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This is probably the best example of disinformation out there. On the one hand he talks about "being outside the window of scientific community" (Even though Dr. Harrit and Dr. Jones are NOT outside that community.)

Yet he ignores the fact that WTC7 descended at free fall acceleration for the first 10 floors (meaning that some where in the floors below, suddenly 10 entire footprints gave way at once).

ERIC: YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN (or at least try to explain) THE ANOMALIES.

Sorry man. That is the truth.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

OMFGLOLROFL

Did you just try and say Steven Jones and Neils Harrit aren't outside the scientific community? Have you even seen the beating their paper got when it was anything other than summarily dismissed?

Harrit is an associate professor in Copenhagen. He's not a leader of anything other than then 9/11 movement. Jones hasn't been relevant since cold fusion fizzled out. Publishing papers on how Jesus visited America generally puts you on, "It's Aliens" territory with scientists.

Yet he ignores the fact that WTC7 descended at free fall acceleration for the first 10 floors (meaning that some where in the floors below, suddenly 10 entire footprints gave way at once).

No it didn't. You can clearly see a tilt and lean in the fall and it falls in some areas before others. Nice try.

ERIC: YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN (or at least try to explain) THE ANOMALIES.

SHARKHEARTED: YOU HAVE TO STOP MAKING STUFF UP

Sorry man. That is the truth.

At least you didn't pat yourself on the back hard enough to use the capital T this time.

Eric Hoffer

VIII !!!!!I really REALLY

VIII !!!!!

I really REALLY admire your patience! I love the way he builds up truther scientists as demigods, breathing rarified air, on the very frontiers of their fields.

I hate his capitalization with a PASSION. So freaking INFANTILE!!

He's a government troll

why are you feeding him? Nobody who actually thinks for themselves believes a word he says. IMHO I think he does a great job of making our case by showing how impossible it is to defend the "official story" which by the way was discounted by half of the people who actually WROTE IT.

Of course Eric will not respond to this specific fact and will only attempt to change the subject... if he would even respond at all. I've challenged him to debate me multiple times but this disinformation crap doesn't work if you're not able to take your time and think about your replies to logical questions.

Logical questions denote logical answers. Eric Hoffer is devoid of logic... but please don't anyone make the mistake of thinking he's stupid. He's got some vested interest in the war on terror - quite obviously. That's a large list of people who would be defending the "official story" because it's padding their war profiteering bank accounts.

LOl

Ok, looks like it's time for more line by line.

Nobody who actually thinks for themselves believes a word he says.

Yes, because obviously everyone who thinks for themselves agrees with you, right? That's what thinking for yourself means after all.

IMHO I think he does a great job of making our case by showing how impossible it is to defend the "official story" which by the way was discounted by half of the people who actually WROTE IT.

Yes, because pointing out your factual inaccuracies and scientific inconsistencies while you fumble around bouncing from point to point is doing a really great job of making your case for you.

Of course Eric will not respond to this specific fact and will only attempt to change the subject... if he would even respond at all. I've challenged him to debate me multiple times but this disinformation crap doesn't work if you're not able to take your time and think about your replies to logical questions.

LOL oh please, which "specific" fact are you talking about? There have been how many floating around in these threads? Feel free to be specific and I'll be sure to bust you publicly. What was your point again?

Multiple times?! To debate? Using logic? I would seriously LOVE to do so. We could document each point, actually use real sources, fallacious points could be struck from the record... I'm getting excited just thinking about it. I'd certainly be down, though this is the first I'm hearing of such an offer. Maybe I missed these "multiple" offers in the past.

Logical questions denote logical answers. Eric Hoffer is devoid of logic... but please don't anyone make the mistake of thinking he's stupid.

Um... I don't think you're using the word denote correctly. Maybe you mean deserve? Or require? It would make more sense. How can you actually read this thread and say I'm "devoid" of logic. Please please please show me the logical inconsistencies that I have engaged in, quoted, and I would gladly clear up any misunderstanding you may have.

He's got some vested interest in the war on terror - quite obviously.

Yes, all of us small business owners who work with industrial equipment have a vested interest in the war on terror. In fact, for every innocent civilian we drone bomb in Pakistan, I make an extra $1,000! /sarcasm.

I'm pretty open about who I am and what I do. Heck, if you're out in the Livonia, MI area, you're welcome to come by shop and work with gas detection equipment with me.

That's a large list of people who would be defending the "official story" because it's padding their war profiteering bank accounts.

This still is inconsistent with my stated position on 9/11, being that it is possible that our government, or some actors or agencies within our government (it wouldn't require everyone), either purposely motivated, arranged for the attacks to happen, or allowed them to happen. I will say possible, but I don't think it as likely as it is that our bloated bureaucracy got in the way of obvious threat management and that our actions in the Middle East caused blowback. I'd say it IS highly likely that in the aftermath of the reports, people who should have known better covered their asses, lied, and falsified documentation to keep themselves from getting fired. That I can see for sure.

Controlled demolition however, is a completely different story and is completely implausible, given the situation and requirements logistically.

Eric Hoffer

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Those are called roman numerals....

...in case you did not know what they were.

It is common practice to capitalize roman numerals.

You hate capitalization? I see you are doing your own share of capitalization yourself. Don't be a hypocrite.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I was referring to your

I was referring to your incessant,annoying CAPITALISATIONS in other posts, but don't worry your ITTY BITTY mind over it. In the grand scheme of things it ranks pretty low on the list of things you DON'T GET.

Look up 'irony' and how it is used as a humorous device. But again, don't bother, there are a LOT of other things you must learn that are more important.

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CAPITALISATIONS? WE SPELL IT DIFFERENTLY IN THIS COUNTRY

I SEE YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS SITE ARE QUITE MINIMAL AND, MANY TIMES...ADVERSARIAL.

IN OUR COUNTRY, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

SO IF I WANT TO CAPITALIZE ALL I WANT...THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

COMPLAIN. WHINE. HURL INSULTS ALL YOU WANT.

WONT CHANGE MY CAPITALIZATION. MIGHT JUST INCREASE IT TO PISS YOU OFF.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Exactly what a 4 year old

Exactly what a 4 year old would say =)

You truther nut jobs do get to me, I'll admit, but the occasional laugh I get is sometimes worth it.