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This fully engulfed 40 story skyscraper should collapse into its own footprint any minute now...right?


http://youtu.be/izNDNHK3_N8

GROZNY, Russia (TheBlaze/AP) — Fire has engulfed an unoccupied 40-story apartment building currently under construction in Chechnya, a once war-torn republic in southern Russia.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/03/stunning-photos-l...




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hmmm

May want to check that.

Ad hominem is a personal attack. "Your argument is worthless because you're a total jerk" sort of thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Eric Hoffer

According to Michael Nystrom

9/11 truthers just want to see things their way, and 9/11 debunkers just want to see things their way.

I totally disagree.

9/11 debunkers are all PHONY trolls planted by whoever 'did' 9/11.

I have studied this issue far more than most and I can say without any reasonable doubt that the twin towers didn't collapse, they exploded.

Proof is this. If the buildings collapsed, then there would be mountains of debris and bodies, body parts, computers, office furniture and concrete/other building material where the 'collapse' occurred.

If on the other hand the WTC exploded floor by floor from the top down, there would be nothing left except tiny fragments.

Re-watch the towers video again, clearly the towers exploded floor by floor from the top down. Examine the evidence again, if you must, the fact is though most of the remains of the WTC are tiny fragments.

Almost all of the remains of the many thousands dead are just tiny fragments, and many of the dead, more than 1000 never had ANY of their remains recovered.

When the highway collapsed in the bay area during the big quake of '89, the freeway 'pancaked' on top of the other freeway, but when they got the wreckage cleared away, the FULL REMAINS of the dead were recovered.

Those that argue 9/11 is a conspiracy theory, lie.

The noose is tightening around the necks of those who did 9/11 and those who have been part of the cover-up, and the liberty movement is the noose.

That is why we are demonized by the political status Quo as 'terrorists'.

"Dustified" is the word.

Like magic! Plus, huge support beams ejected 80-100 ft, too.

A most remarkable "collapse" indeed.

*POOF*!

What would the Founders do?

Dustified

Since there are only tiny 'frag'ments of the WTC left, I like the military term 'fragged' as a perfect descriptor of the way the buildings, office equipment, and bodies just disintegrated.

But Dustified is really good too.

Every floor of the WTC was more fortified than the floor above preventing the 'pancake effect' that the trusters/trolls arguments hinge on.

Just destroy the pancake argument and the entire house of cards comes down, where you at Erik Hoffer?

Come back and try to worm your way out of this one...

Uhhh

Since there are only tiny 'frag'ments of the WTC left, I like the military term 'fragged' as a perfect descriptor of the way the buildings, office equipment, and bodies just disintegrated.

I'm sorry, how are you defining tiny? Because from the current usage, you obviously have no idea what the word means.

Dustified is specifically a term used by the woman who is claiming that energy weapons were used on the towers, if I remember right. Anyone to further explain this? Do you agree that focused energy weapons were used? If so, is this a more valid explanation than thermite? Do you believe thermite was used or energy weapons?

Every floor of the WTC was more fortified than the floor above preventing the 'pancake effect' that the trusters/trolls arguments hinge on.

Really? I'd love to see the evidence for this. I love the word fortified used here btw, because it goes with your theme of using absolutely ridiculous verbs, adjectives, and adverbs. How much more fortified was each layer from the others exactly? How was this enough to prevent pancaking. Is your argument that pancaking would've occurred without this extra "fortification" that you've described?

Come back and try to worm your way out of this one...

Honestly, things like this are my favorite. "Oh look, I've shifted the burden of proof to you for a thing that actually happened!" This is the equivalent of saying, "Airplanes are WAY heavier than air, so obviously they must be kept aloft using magical alien levitation technology." The planes hit the towers, they came down due to the damage from the strike and the subsequent fires. The burden of "proof" is still on you to provide for a valid theory as to why they fell. Saying, "It could be anything except the planes!" is absurd if you're expecting to be taken seriously.

Eric Hoffer

FRAGmented... how sadly appropriate!

I *borrowed* "dustified" from Dr. Judy Wood, who has a slightly different take on the whole thing. (Not sure what to think of it, but it's totally worth looking into.)

http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/the-judy-woo...

What would the Founders do?

Sigh

Proof is this. If the buildings collapsed, then there would be mountains of debris and bodies, body parts, computers, office furniture and concrete/other building material where the 'collapse' occurred.

Uh... there was. Huge piles of crap, and plenty of evidence of that point. If I go and dredge up pictures of this, will you agree to stop claiming the whole thing was reduced to "tiny fragments?"

You're not a terrorist, you're just being willfully ignorant in my eyes.

And trying to claim that everyone that disagrees with you (most Americans) is a paid shill or is receiving some sort of government funding is just an extremely absurd argument.

Though let me put this out there: If there is some government body that pays cash out for busting up "truther" theories, then I'm owed some serious back pay for the last 5 years.

Eric Hoffer

no piles of crap except those from your mouth

ok I will play, show me the pics of the bodies, the office equipment and the massive chunks of building...

If those buildings just FELL DOWN then EVERYTHING, the building, the planes, the bodies and the office equipment would still be intact, just bent and mangled.

On the other hand if the buildings exploded from the top down, floor by floor, there would be a giant concrete dust cloud and not much else left, which of course is the case with the WTC.

Most Americans do agree with me, you can't be serious.

Come on big mouth, put up or shut your shill ass up.

LOL

Dead body (btw, you're pretty sick for requiring this of me just to make a point): http://cryptome.org/eyeball/911/911-kill.htm

Check.

Office Equipment: http://11even.net/wp-content/uploads/Workers-use-a-crane-to-...

Though I'm not really certain what the office equipment proves. Do you really expect a bunch of wooden desks to survive an event like this?

Massive chunks of building: http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/wtc-6.jpg

Check!

http://www.thomasefranklin.com/data/photos/133_1nine_eleven_...

Double Check!

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/05/15500...

Triple Check!

I think sometimes people lose perspective on just how huge the wreckage left over was.

If those buildings just FELL DOWN then EVERYTHING, the building, the planes, the bodies and the office equipment would still be intact, just bent and mangled.

Yes, because falling buildings obviously don't even enough force to beat up some file cabinets and wooden desks.

Most Americans do agree with me, you can't be serious.

Sooo... how's that crow? http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf

And he quotes 911truth.org for additional points! Eating crow begins for you on page 5.

Eric Hoffer

That's your big evidence? That's the BEST you could do...?

LOL Anybody who looks at YOUR evidence sees MY conclusion!
Now I know for sure, 100% you are a troll/ paid shill for whoever did 9/11.

Go away slimeboy I don't want none of your 'funk' to get on me.

Anybody reading this PLEASE go to the websites he sourced and tell me where the other 2,998 bodies are, where the rest of the building is and what ever happened to the Airplanes and all of the office equipment that would ABSOLUTELY still be intact but mangled if those TWO MIGHTY SKYSCRAPERS had merely collapsed.

Also look at these pics of the WTC being built, where did ALL of that material go? How could a fire have made them evaporate?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com...

Wow

So... I provide exactly the type of evidence you're asking for, and your response is, "But that doesn't count!!!1"

Sorry man, but at this point I don't think you're a fair judge of quality. I don't think I'd trust you to serve hamburgers to order given this conversation.

Sorry man, I don't think anyone created a blog of every single dead body from 9/11. Feel free to indulge your sick interests on your own time.

Also look at these pics of the WTC being built, where did ALL of that material go? How could a fire have made them evaporate?

Have you not actually ever looked at the huge piles of debris? I'm really trying to understand how your head works here man. There are pictures of this all over the place, but as soon as you see them you stick your head in the sand and go "la la la la" and pretend it's not there.

Eric Hoffer

I already put you down for

I already put you down for the count boy, and won't waste another keystroke addressing you on this topic, so piss off.

LOL

You mean if you just keep repeating yourself, the facts will go away?

You asked for some photos, I posted photos of exactly what you asked for, and then you claimed that I'm "down for the count."

I suspect you don't know what the term means.

Eric Hoffer

sharkhearted's picture

Yes I agree with you

This individual's government actor disinformation psyop troll colors...are definitely showing through.

Unfortunately it seems like the Daily Paul is being swarmed by them right now.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Before I was a Truther,

I was a Truster.

Not a Troll.

Trusters vs debunkers

After 12 years, ALL of the former trusters, myself included, have become truthers...

Which only leaves TROLLS to 'debunk' truthers.

sharkhearted's picture

Well put!

~

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I couldn't resist. I apologize in advance.

But if you listen closely, you can actually hear the building singing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7ifClpT4g

This article contains the Most AMAZING Live footage of that Fire

Get a load of this (watch the impressive video):

http://www.infowars.com/skyscraper-engulfed-by-fire-does-not...

You'd think that if there ever was a fire that could bring down a skyscraper this one would. But it didn't. So yea, supposedly, a few small office fires brought down building 7. So who are we kidding here? So is Chechnya better at building skyscrapers than the U.S.? Or how about China with their 44-Story skyscraper that burned up in 2009. It didn't collapse either. I linked to that one in my article I posted 2 days ago. Read that here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/280404/its-time-to-put-this-9-11-co...

-Bloatedtoad

What a shark hearted snakepit full of 22 trolls who distract

Yes WTC 7 is weird. Scary. blah blah blah. The truth is.. We can argue all day long. Continue to be distracted or take the distraction bait from trolls arguing with trolls. OR we can set this curiosity aside and be patient. If JFK is still a mystery what makes you think we will figure out WTC 7 on our own? They distract us and fill us with fear until we are so consumed with fighting each other we accomplish nothing.

The only way we will truly know is when we have a white house occupied by a Ron Paul, supported by a cabinet of Ron Paul's who want us to know the whole truth. Possible within our generation? Possible but unlikely. This will take a long time because this is a NON VIOLENT R3VOLUTION.

Take the bait little fishy and let everything get to you OR:
http://www.dailypaul.com/279368/your-fear-is-the-enemys-only...

Truth is treason in an empire of lies

The WTC7 "distraction" is a big part of what attracted me to

the Liberty movement. And I know I'm not alone.

"They distract us and fill us with fear until we are so consumed with fighting each other we accomplish nothing."

I'm not filled with fear. And why are YOU fighting?

How many decisions do you make a day without having absolute certainty. I would guess most. There's nothing wrong this saying, "probably." They *likely* murdered 3000 Americans, 1 million+ innocents overseas, thousands of soldiers indirectly, and you're calling the discussion of it a "distraction?"

SteveMT's picture

Where have you been? JFK is no longer a conspiracy theory.

Done deal. Just an FYI.

"The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established in 1976 to investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. and the shooting of Alabama Governor George Wallace. The Committee investigated until 1978 and issued its final report, and concluded that Kennedy was very likely assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Com...

Yes, I am the troll

Yes, I am the troll under the bridge gnashing his teeth at the little goats as they bleat on over the bridge.... Currently choking on irony. Hold please...

Okay. Let me be VERY CLEAR. I was awake before 9/11. I used to live 30 min from Bohemian Grove. I don't buy all of the 9/11 theories but there are many compelling theories. I was yelling from the roof top on top of my soap box standing on my tippy toes not long after #7 fell into it's footprint. I first heard of Ron Paul from Alex Jones in 2006. I personally met the good Dr. in Phoenix (birthplace of the R3VOLUTION BTW..) June of 2007. I marched with the original R3VOLUTION meetup group down central ave in Phoenix and possibly helped inspire the first "flyerbomb" in 2007 on the R3VOLUTION meetup threads. And for some reason I am "tooting" my own horn for the first time in response to your reply of my reply. Why?

Because I was there. Angry at everyone who challenged what I had to say because I knew I was right. I was always pissed off because nobody wanted to hear what I had to say. I gave up for a short time. What I finally figured out was when I was mad about this stuff nobody listened. When I planted seeds, stepped away, watered and cared for the information I "planted" into others they came around and started asking questions. It has been waaaaaay more effective.

Now, 5-6 years later people listen to me. People will ask me questions because they know I will not blow their inner circuits with an overload of new "crazy" "impossible" information.

I saw an argument on the thread and decided to throw a wrench into it... That's my job. It only hurts our movement when we argue over this stuff. It takes 15-20 years for a generation to be deprogrammed. You CANNOT force it to happen quicker than that. History shows that the human race is stubborn and very very VERY slow to admit they are wrong. I am not saying what you posted was wrong at all... I did title my reply wrong and I did not think it through. That is the only thing I will apologize for. I was living in the moment...

Just remember. And I say this sincerely, I am not being a di*k, I promise.. Nobody cares how much fruit you have produced on this site when you announce it. When you announce that you have been complimented so much on your works on this site the only thing people see is your ego. It's an intellectual turn off.

You seem very smart and just by being a part of this movement shows that. Just remember when you are out in the world talking to others about the movement you become an ambassador and a symbol of the movement. If you take the bait when others challenge you because they are scared and suck you into an argument then they can turn around and tell 5 other people of how nutty the people of the movement are if its true or not.

Truce?

Truth is treason in an empire of lies

sharkhearted's picture

Then why do you attack your own?

True...I am a newcomer and ex-neocon. But my opinion I would hope is important, too.

And I thought that libertarians were under the non-agression principle...which you HAVE NOT exhibited...not only by throwing me and snake pit under the bus but by calling yourself a troll "knashing his teeth as the goats bleat on over the bridge."

How to win friends and lose enemies. How to spread your sphere of influence.

DEFINITELY NOT THROUGH YOUR BITTERNESS AND YOUR ANGER.

Got news for you:

CLassical Liberalism is NOT at ALL about anger...but about love, respect, live and let live, and a repudiation of external force.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Edited

Edited.

Eric Hoffer

sharkhearted's picture

OH REALLY???

Examine my prolific posts. All documented.

I am not going to play on your cowardly low-road level...I will just laugh at your accusation.

Nystrom himself has personally thanked me on my contributions on here. Yeah sometimes I go over the top and have to even apologize some.

But the last thing I am, is a troll. As much as I love blogs like this I hate them as well because the impersonal nature and format of people being able to hide behind their computer screens and take mean-spritited pot shots from under the bridge, like a troll.

And by the way, Snakepit is NOT a troll. He and I might vehemently disagree about 9-11 but at least he makes his opinion known.

So, work really hard, dude, to not be drawn under that bridge. Play above board, and things will be better for you.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

robot999's picture

I guess that makes

you a Troll right? Truth is truth, and lies are lies - accept that or keep you head in the sand, but don't call people who seek truth names.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

sharkhearted's picture

Well said, and thank you!

~

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

So everybody is a troll

just because they're engaged in this particular debate that you find useless? And who said anything about being afraid? I'm certainly not fearful. I don't need an entire government of Ron Pauls, as you put it, to know that they were lying about 9-11 and covered it up. I don't have to know the whole story, just knowing they lied about it is enough for me to know who I can't trust. 9-11 turned out to be the event that woke me up, and waking up may have been scary at first, but now my soul feels more free than it ever was before because I know the truth. The PTB can do whatever they like to my physical body, but they can't crush my soul. So no, fear does not control me.

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

sharkhearted's picture

WOW!

Excellent, articulate, profound words.

Thank you for sharing!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.