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This fully engulfed 40 story skyscraper should collapse into its own footprint any minute now...right?


http://youtu.be/izNDNHK3_N8

GROZNY, Russia (TheBlaze/AP) — Fire has engulfed an unoccupied 40-story apartment building currently under construction in Chechnya, a once war-torn republic in southern Russia.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/03/stunning-photos-l...

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WCT7 was a very strong building.

Strong enough to have a fortified bunker on the 23rd floor.

"The final design for 7 World Trade Center was for a much larger building than originally planned when the substation was built.[8] The structural design of 7 World Trade Center therefore included a system of gravity column transfer trusses and girders, located between floors 5 and 7, to transfer loads to the smaller foundation.[9] Existing caissons installed in 1967 were used, along with new ones, to accommodate the building. The 5th floor functioned as a structural diaphragm, providing lateral stability and distribution of loads between the new and old caissons. Above the 7th floor, the building's structure was a typical tube-frame design, with columns in the core and on the perimeter, and lateral loads resisted by perimeter moment frames."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
"In 1999, NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani constructed a $13 million emergency command retreat on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7—an armored, self-contained facility designed to provide a safe haven for leadership in the event of a natural disaster or terrorist attack."
http://bushstole04.com/911/wtc7_empty.htm

WTC7

served as electric substation for lower Manhattan.

To accommodate huge transformers, inner columns did not have their own foundations but sat on two huge steel trusses. When support of the truss yielded because of the fire, one column line then all inner columns went down pulling the whole building along.

Funny how conspiracy theorists and their "engineers" never talk about the MOST important facts.

A building can not enter freefall..

...unless all resistance has been forcibly removed. ALL resistance. End of discussion; there is no point in waisting time on your red herrings.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

False.

Wtc7's rate of acceleration was the same as gravity itself; and it did enter freefall. NIST themselves even admitted this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm--tgw&feature=youtube_...

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Watch this

lol did you actually look at the numbers in his video. He has 124 meters in the computer where he claims the actual height is 283 meters. This is when he refers to the height of the building.

Grasping at straws..

Watched it twice and there is NO mention of the building height.
Regardless, you're trying to build a straw-man that is totally irreverent.
The stated amounts on the screen are relative to to pixel calibration of the picture, and have nothing to do with a relation to the total height of the building.
But, if you can look at that video and still think that it was all caused be an office fire......then I'm pretty sure you're pretty much in denial, and no amount of facts will convince you otherwise.

I see by your comment history you are mostly just a 9/11 troll; so I refuse to waste any more time on you.
If you wish to be counted among the naive and ignorant, by all means, continue in your denial.

The facts are clear, you simply wish to discard them.
The building DID attain freefall. This IS IMPOSSIBLE in any circumstance other than a controlled demolition.
You can take this info and learn, become wiser, attain some enlightenment; or take it and bury it in the sand right next to your head.... the choice is yours.

Here is a clearer updated version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I

and while your at it this ones good for you too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJA1R8YIHk

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

LOL dude... if you watched it

LOL dude... if you watched it twice and didn't hear any mention of the building height, then you're deaf.

More LOL because the 'pixel calibrations' were supposedly calibrated to the width and height of the building.... but you somehow missed that part, twice.

And you see by my comment history that I'm a 9/11 troll because I've been posting on the two 9/11 threads for the last couple days? Seriously... take less drugs man... or more.

And then google 'straw man argument' and find out what it means so you use it right next time. :)

Wow......LOL indeed.

Someone here needs less drugs, that's for sure...

He NEVER used the height of the building for ANYTHING. Configuration was done exclusively via width. You really don't understand how this works.
Please link the exact time in which he states the height of the building is 283 meters.

Definition of STRAW MAN
1: a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted.

Your argument is a deflection, a straw-man, and a red herring. It's not even an argument really, as it's based on nothing, and states no conclusions.

You can not offer any counter debate to the stated facts of what I posted.
The building DID attain freefall, and you wish to ignore this and dance around it; like a child who puts a finger in each ear while uttering "nah nah nah nah"
This is you, (but it doesn't have to be): http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OA_kdeGc4e0/Tzc4bVBtDpI/AAAAAAAADC...

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

funny

you cant even do this calculation without mentioning height.

where's the link bub?

And.... wrong once again.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

a=m/s^2 m=height :) It's your

a=m/s^2
m=height

:)

It's your link

Oh and wow.....you need a do-over in math

A=m/s^2 is "meter's per second squared". M=meter's i.e; distance, not "height"....idiot.
By obtaining proper per-pixel scale via the known width of the building, the program is then able to determine rate of acceleration. "height" is irrelevant.

gravity: g = 9.8 m/s/s, downward

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/1DKin/U1L5b.cfm

http://www.utc.edu/Faculty/Harold-Climer/pfencelab.pdf

Now I'm still waiting on the link if him stating 283m height... Doesn't exist does it?

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

The height is in meters

The height in meters is the total distance traveled, rocket scientist.

It's the SAME f'n link you posted super rocket scientist.

And back to math for me rocket scientist? You have m/s/s, which reduces to meters. Acceleration is m/s^2 (m/s*s)

Height is irrelevant...

Why can't you get this through your skull. DISTANCE!!!! is all that is needed.

m/s/s is the same as m/s^2 genius, that was pulled directly from that physics page link.

Stop with the red herrings and address my facts!!! You can't, and you won't!

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

hehe so you're paying

hehe so you're paying attention. Was curious if you had any clue. At least your book does.

At any rate, the height matters. If you were to run this as a parametric equation, your distance at T=0 would be the height of the building minus the height of the building.

"just seeing if you're paying attention"

This common phrase most accurately translates to: "I was caught talking out my
a$$ but won't admit it, so I'll say it was intentional."

Drop your "height" crap, it's meaningless. RED HERRING! The examples you're giving are what you do to obtain the correct "distance". You don't need to know the "height" of anything, if "distance" can be obtained by another parameter; i.e. WIDTH.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Listen... you need to know

Listen... you need to know the height to know the distance of the fall. How the fuck are you trying to tell me that you don't need the know the unit distance of an object under acceleration when you're trying to find the acceleration. WTF, are you a plumber or something?

Good grief....

Did you even really read what I said? You are saying that the height is the only way to obtain the "unit distance"..... You are clueless if you truly can't grasp how the process works.
You obtain the "unit distance" with the proper calibration of per-pixel scale in the picture, which is achieved by using the known, and visible distance of the width; the program then has the proper scale to calculate your "unit distance"
"height" is only ONE way of finding your "unit distance" not the ONLY way, and NOT THE WAY THAT WAS USED HERE!
If you can't grasp this, then I am sorry but you are truly a hopeless case who can't fathom high-school physics.
I WILL NOT EXPLAIN THIS AGAIN.

Still waiting for you to clear your muddied name with that link too...but it won't come.

You still are evading the facts of freefall, which even NIST admitted to. You will not address this, because you can't. Because it challenges your perceived reality. Even though your reality is false, you can not let go of it no matter what.

Good day, and good luck.
"...Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Ok Plumber, it doesn't matter

Ok Plumber, it doesn't matter how many ways you can get to height. The height IS the distance because the building fell DOWN from it's height. If you don't know the height, you're nowhere. If you don't care what the height is, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you think this guy did this calculation without the height, you doubly have no fucking clue. Which means, you're view is meaningless. Which means, anyone reading this who does know what the fuck you're talking about will know that you're clueless and so thus, I am done. :)

still waiting for my link

You lying POS.

Anyone reading this realized half a dozen posts ago, that you are a lying 9/11 shill/troll; who's "view" is "meaningless", and has been proven wrong. It's evident, in your inability to counter the fact of freefall. Because you can't.

You also continue to lie lie lie lie lie, and bring up red herrings that have no bearing on the facts.

You are either just so stubborn you will never admit to it; or a paid shill, or just plan retarded. Not sure which.

The descent is tracked per frame, giving the "unit distance". If you are really this fuking stupid then I pity you, and I'm sorry you had to suffer through public school.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

also, the 'unit distance'

also, the 'unit distance' refers to the unit that distance is measured in... not the measured distance. Just felt like popping back in real fast to school you again. :)

Figure out how to watch youtube videos yet? lol

Just thought I'd pop back in to tell you...

.... you've shown yourself a complete imbecile who can't grasp physics; and still refuses to link the time. Why? because you ARE A LIAR and it doesn't exist.

You have been proven wrong wrong, and wrong again.

Farewell master of denial.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

show me where he says it

Link it, or you have admitted lying.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Its the same link that you

Its the same link that you posted for me to watch. omg. I have to link you to your link? are you ok?

LOL "link it or you have admitted lying, in the name of pokemon!"

ps - hint... he talks about it in feet. I converted to meters since that's what his calculations are in. He probably does this so you rocket scientists don't catch on.

link me the time

I'm well aware which link. I want you to link me the time where he states the building is 283 meters tall. Because that's what you said.

You can't find it can you? Why? because he didn't, and you posted falsely and then accused me of being deaf for not hearing it.... link it. Link the time now or you are a lier.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

I have no idea how to link to

I have no idea how to link to a certain spot in a video. If that's possible, you'll have to let me know how. Otherwise, stop bugging me about it. Its in your video in the first 1/3rd I think. Again, he talks about it in feet. I converted to meters.

Look what 5 seconds of google searching can do for you:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/link-to-youtube-minute-second

"Hey look, info. So that's what it feels like to actually put effort into researching something......."

Now that you know, you can link the exact location where he states the building is 283m tall.
Because this is what you said: "he claims the actual height is 283 meters."
Now please provide that link, so I can verify you're full of it.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

I told you how to find it...

I told you how to find it... don't care anymore. I actually forgot about this thread.

BAHAHAHAHAH

So is the liar going to admit he was wrong??? No, probably not.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison