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The Liberty Movement is Dead

It's gone. It died when Ron Paul left.

I guess we are going to scatter into an abyss of conspiracy theory and heresay.

This site has lost its way.

Obama, Monsanto and the Banks are winning.

Something big needs to happen.

Where the hell is Ron Paul?

That is all...

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Liberty Movement's child will be the next president!!! -- take that war loving neo-cons!

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Ron Paul is just 1 man. I

Ron Paul is just 1 man. I understand he prob. introduced you to liberty but he's just 1 person involved in this movement.

Huh? WTH?

It is growing by leaps, bounds. Pretty soon, only totally clueless nitwits and brainwashed boomers will favor statism. The future looks bright.




"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

Liberty Movement is alive and well

you pushed me to compose a new poem.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Only hope?

That's not quite all

Voting equals discarding liberty, everyone, so now what?

Had Romney Won the Liberty Movement Might have Died

Romney would have made evil seem more palatable and many in the Liberty movement might have slacked off and said "Whew! we at least got rid of Obama". Never mind that the wars would continue and accelerate and Obamacare would have been "repealed and replaced", and on and on. With Obama in (the more obvious evil) I see the liberty movement galvanized. Look at the activism against gun control. Sure Ron Paul isn't in the limelight as often but don't believe for a moment that "nothing" is happening. Something's going to give and hopefully in our favor in the long term.


SteveMT's picture

Why give up after just 9 official months here?

Think long term. When victory happens it will be, like bankruptcy, fast.

“How did you go bankrupt?"
Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”
― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

Ok Ok

I was a little depressed last night. Lets get back to work!

Thanks for the down votes.

+1 That's the spirit!

Now you're talking. Never give up, never, never, never give up!

“Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanguishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you—
Ye are many—they are few.” Percy Bysshe Shelley

How Ron Paul is winning

“Ron Paul Won” are the words of Robin Koerner from his August 29, 2012 DP post. He states, “To my liberty and peace-loving friends, I urge that our responsibility in November is to put the mainstream on notice that the Independent, post-partisan middle is now liberty-dominated and large enough to turn elections…If the mainstream knows this, they will be forced – out of shear self-interest and love of power - to give civil rights, peace and real markets more than lip-service. Remember, in a two-party system, the candidate who wins over the median swing voter wins the election. Controlling the “politics of the middle” therefore offers disproportionate political influence.”

Koerner’s posit about the “median swing voter” ties in with the “Grand Shi Strategy of Ron Paul,” the Forbes Op/Ed by Mark Spitznagel, written a month earlier on July 29, 2012. Spitznagel uses the Chinese board game weiqi (pronounced “way-chee”) to point out that the better strategy is to aim for the middle of the board with a purposeful long term strategy vs. grabbing the outer edges which short-term strategy was used by the Romney campaign and the GOP establishment.

After Romney’s election loss we heard numerous opinions from the media that it was the Libertarian wing of the GOP that would most influence the direction of the GOP. Rand Paul is now polling right after Rubio as the favored GOP frontrunner for 2016. While the more purist DP Libertarians would question Rand being the best person to represent Libertarians, nonetheless he is now the leading voice in the GOP (polling right behind Rubio as the favored GOP 2016 POTUS candidate) calling for smaller, limited government. I see this as part of Ron Paul’s strategy in laying the groundwork so that Constitutional Conservatives and Libertarians would have a strong voice in 2016.
Let’s not forget that Ron Paul’s support among the young will count going forward. The potential in them (which Spitznagel compare to “stones” on the Chinese board) cannot be underestimated as it provides an advantage over the old establishment guard in the long run.
Spitznagel: ”Black, employing the indirect and circuitous shi strategy, seeks future opportunistic potential, rather than applying direct force like the chess player bent on annihilation. Although white has scored at least 13 points out of the gate, and black has scored nothing, black is well-positioned for an eventual, but patient victory. Thus, the future-oriented shi meets the present-oriented li—and wins. “

i won't down vote

-47 is a good enough spanking I guess.

I am not as articulate online as I am in person, I am literally
A walking talking billboard for liberty. I manage to fit it into
Almost every conversation.

Keep your chin up. Find something constructive and stick to it.

Liberty based on a website?

Hey buddy don't be a quitter. I would guess you have not been a member for a long time. This happens in between elections. With that said what are doing locally? Are you not getting involved in your local politics? Are you not speaking at city council meetings? The Liberty movement is alive and well in my county and state. As we choose not to blast out info on a web page does not mean it is dead. Trust me LibertyisRising! Get involved start a group. The Liberty movement is a movement of leaders not followers! Good luck!

Please Don't be a "Sunshine" Patriot

Perhaps reading some Mr. Paine, will give you a proper perspective to wit is the Value of Liberty:

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

- Thomas Paine
The Crisis
December 23rd, 1776

Don't be Retarded

You can't kill an idea whose time has come. Haven't you learned anything from Ron Paul? There is a reason Ron Paul is an optimistic fellow. He has seen remarkable growth and changes within the American Public since he took office. Liberty is alive and well in the hearts of people across this country and more are awakening everyday. Can't you see that?

If you can't then what are your options? One option is to take your Debby Downer depression and go distract yourself with sports or sitcoms or some entertainment news where you can flat-line your brain and ease into the grey mindless twilight that most Americans live their Disney holographic lives. Either that, or you are going to have to learn some more productive coping skills and some philosophical patience and perseverance.

A truly free man will demand his rights regardless of the dangers and regardless if anyone actually stands with him.

To the contrary

If you haven't yet heard. All and I mean all the talk radio "conservatives" are now referring to themselves as "Libratarian Conservatives". They are supporting the Cruz, Lee, Rand Paul, Scott and Amash and others team. "Team Liberty"
That means it's alive and well and growing as I see it....As Charlie Sheen say's "winning"..
Now granted they haven't yet given Dr Paul his dues or our movement any credit. But who cares. We are changing hearts and minds and Revolutions are not a "game" in which score is kept. No we change the "game"... and trust me....We Are!

sharkhearted's picture

Don't be a Chicken Little Drama Queen

Get your panties out of a bunch and hop back aboard. Don't scatter like a sheep at the slightest sign of a defeat.

YOU ARE WRONG. There IS no defeat. The Liberty Movement is stronger than ever...it has just moved somewhat underground.

Once people have a liberty awakening...like SO many people I am talking to...they don't metastasize.

EVERYBODY is talking about drones, Sandy Hook, and the fact that "they" are trying to shut this country down.

Your forum here is DULY DOWNVOTED. Are you a glutton for punishment?

STOP WHINING. And climb back aboard the liberty train.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Michael Nystrom's picture

One question for you sir

What did you learn from Ron Paul?

I would appreciate it if you would take a few hours, maybe a day, to think about that. All the things you learned since you became a Ron Paul supporter. Not only from him, but from fellow supporters. Not only from them, but on your observations viewed through the lens of your newfound knowledge.

Think about all of that and then please - this is my request - make a new thread:

"What I learned from my involvement with the Ron Paul campaign."

That's all I ask of you.

Many times, we know more than we think we do. And when we acknowledge that, new worlds of possibility open up to us.

Thank you.

His name is Rand Paul. He is the Republican Party's only hope.

No one else, not Jeb, not Rubio, Not Daniels, Not Christie... none of them except Rand Paul have a broad enough base of supporters to defeat the Clintons in 2016.

Stand with Rand.

You are right user 56582, this site does not currently stand with Rand.



jrd3820's picture

Maybe the republican party's only hope

But not liberty's only hope. Liberty will not be delivered by a politician. Liberty and the desire for liberty has existed well before Ron Paul entered the scene and will continue well after Ron Paul/Rand Paul, because liberty is not dependent on one person.

I clicked your link about the DP censoring Rand Paul news. It seems like every time I log in there are at least 3 or 4 articles/videos of Rand going on in active topics, so I am not sure if that is censoring.

Judge Nap!

Much more liberty-oriented than Rand, and, therefore, someone who could attract Democratic and Independent voter support and win the general election. Rand Paul getting the nomination would be the end of the liberty movement.

jrd3820's picture

As much as I agree with you....

On Nap over Rand, the liberty movement will not die if Rand is nominated.

As long as there is a desire for liberty there will be a liberty movement. No politician has the power to kill the desire for liberty.


The republican party needs to die before anything constructive happens within this country.

The fact that you just listed a bunch of Neocons as if they were even conservative makes me wonder if you have been paying attention to this whole situation.

Personally I cannot wait to watch the Republican party explode, so maybe people can finally break away from the Red versus Blue lie.

Not dead....but no hope

The "liberty" movement in your country is not really defined except in terms of some libertarian ideas which have no real defendable substance to them. The idea of "doing whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone" or "victimless crimes" is false.

For example;

- abortion is murder.

- Prostitution is morally wrong.

- Using drugs to alter your mental state to a significant degree is morally wrong.

- homosexuality and homosexual "marriage" is immoral.

No amount of laws passed or scientists or studies can make those things moral. They are simply wrong.

Likewise, any movement without a positive moral element will not succeed. No movement without one has ever succeeded and never will.

So while the US is hell-bent on destroying itself like the Romans did can you as a movement expect any better?

Liberty has long left your country and is looking for a better place to live.

Most of you haven't lived under an authoritarian government which is brutal. But I will tell you that living in a society with no moral compass is worse.

The big problem is that the moral change that must occur has to be within the human heart.

Convienient how you define morality

Then presume to arrogantly define it for everybody else.

There are many, MANY people who look on your list and only find one thing they might even remotely agree with:

Abortion is the use of force to terminate life.

Everything else is personal choice that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (caps emphasized). In fact, some of them are actually laughable (personal use of drugs to alter perception is "morally wrong"?! Wow)

And the fact that you are willing (strongly implied in your post) to use force against these personal choices is what is morally wrong.

Sounds like you're on the wrong website.


what makes using drugs ( Alcohol IS a drug, Nicotine IS a drug and much more pernicious than weed) immoral ?

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

It may have taken a long winter's nap

But it's certainly not DEAD, as long as LIBERTY breathes!

I encourage you to breathe LIBERTY lovers.

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