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Confirmed: ‘Batman’ Shooter James Holmes Was On Psychotropic Drugs

Yet another mass killer on violence-causing anti-depressants

Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com | April 5, 2013

Newly released court documents confirm that ‘Batman’ shooter James Holmes was taking the anti-depressant drug Zoloft before he conducted his massacre in an Aurora theater last July, underscoring yet again the prevalent yet underreported connection between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings.

While it was known that prescription medication was seized during the search of Holmes’ property, the precise identity of the drug has remained unknown for nearly 9 months – until now.
During their execution of the search warrant on Holmes’ apartment, police, “found prescription medication for sertraline, a generic version of Zoloft used to treat depression, panic disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder; and Clonazepam, usually prescribed to treat anxiety and panic attacks,” reports the L.A. Times.

Zoloft is the same psychotropic drug that Columbine killer Eric Harris was taking before his rampage.
Clonazepam, also known under its brand name Klonopin, has been labeled “the world’s deadliest pill,” in that it “dramatically affects the functioning of the brain” and is highly addictive. Long term use of the drug has been linked with “violence and aggression”.

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Who forces the perfectly healthy returning vets to take drugs?

That is the real conspiracy. All these soldiers returned from the battle zone completly mentally healthy, with no post tramatic stress, yet someone forced open their mouths and shoved in medication even though they didn't have any mental issues which required it.
If my sarcasm is obvious, let me explain. Just like nearly every person taking pyschotropic medication, there is an underlying mental condition which was the reason they were on the drugs in the first place. You ignore shell shock and blame medication as if the soldiers were taking the medication for no logical reason. How many of these soldiers were on medicaiton before they were deployed?
As usual, you guys see connections where you want to see them, but you ignore the facts and logic.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Fishyculture is very pissed off at Pharma and mainstream med

She is very well-read in alternative medicine propaganda, but when you really challenge her on pharmacology and other biomedical science, it becomes obvious that she is just mad at her own battles with depression and her experiences with doctors. She is trying to push alternative medicine and prove her conspiracy theories.

Fishy relentlessly attacks serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but a few months ago she confessed that she ingested Ayahuasca and that it did wonders for her mental health. The main active chemicals in Ayahuasca are serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

I've been calling her out on her hypocrisy, but she refuses to respond to me.

My Bump

Refers to your first paragraph.
I'd down vote the rest.

Guilt

Guilt, how long to you have to be in the world and get a girl friend that you learn to love, until you get people calling you a hero,
doesn't change the fact that, who you killed shouldn't have been.
and if you don't shut down totally you spot that the war crime's are sometime less that what you and your friends did.

If you want to read something Google this
Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam

that what I remember

I mean we elect them to congress like it's a badge to follow.
Me being in the military is not a reason to listen to anything I say.

Hero's think about it and if you got drafted it still doesn't help.
Not knowing any better helps but drugs are just a stop gap.

I ran across this guy here on the Ron Paul site and he nails it

Jacob G. Hornberger
http://fff.org/blog/

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

to follow up on the gun part

With out a doubt I wish no one had to use a weapon.
But that just not the world we live in.
The hypocrisy of the leaders who have guards they personally check out.

I my self grew up in a place that was 85% armed and I can't remember anyone getting hurt in anger... It was kind of like being real stupid to touch our guns if drunk or angry and if we did we would have hell to pay/live down.. but if someone trying to rob rape or steal they didn't get to far and in 20yr's I can only think of one person.
No I remember two others.

And if you don't get what gun control is about look a Mexico.
OLD GUY

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

The military CURED PTSD in the past

http://www.dailypaul.com/268744/how-the-army-treated-ptsd-af...

They used something that looks a little like "love."

"Depression" is a normal PHASE of life, people suffered "bouts" of depression all along, and friends and family used to do things like go visit, take flowers... and it worked, given time. Only after they started marketing pills did it become an "illness" requiring pills.
So, how much money do you make on Pharma? You a doctor, drug rep, have your whole income staked on this? You sure are passionate about defending an industry that is pretty solidly "anti-liberty."

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I think its already been established....

...I don't work for big Pharma. I'm a government agent planted here to be a troll.

Joking aside, I'm not passionate about defending that industry, or the 9/11 "official story" or the Sandy Hook hoax, or whatever. I just enjoy debating logic. And even if many of these claims people here make were true, they continue to use massive amounts of fallacies to try to prove them. I just like pointing that out.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

PTSD cannot be cured, but it

PTSD cannot be cured, but it can be managed and, as veteran suicides indicate, spoonfeeding our returning vets pharmaceuticals does not help.

The anti-depressant list of many patients; Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac, Lexapro, etc it goes on through the whole list of about 12. The FDA (Food & Drug Administration) reported that antidepressant dangers caused a whole bunch of very bad adverse side effects including anxiety, depression, addiction, severe withdrawal, homicidal rage and suicide. These PTSD Veterans don’t need these adverse effects on top of PTSD.

There is a serious conflict of interest here. Not only does the profitable Pharma Industry have pocket politicans, it now has pocket physicians. Psychological distress is part of a normal human response to overwhelming experiences. Only when symptoms are severe, or last too long, is the response considered pathological. In the majority of people, symptoms progressively resolve over the first few months. Not all people who experience trauma require treatment. Severe traumatic events rarely leave the individual unaffected, but the majority of survivors adapt without developing enduring symptoms. It's as if we have medicalized human nature, for the proffitable gain of the Industry.

Feeling depressed? fatigued? dazed? stressed? fat? Here's a pill, don't worry about the side effects. See you next month for your refill.

No surprise here

I agree with the assessment of klonopin. It's in the same family as xanax. Highly addictive. I was on them for years but have given up everything other than bioidentical HRT and an occasional tylenol/ibuprofen, and vitamins, of course. It wasn't easy to do after being on antidepressants for 10+ years, but I'm glad I did now. :)

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

You were on antidepressants for 10 years?

How many people did you kill during that time? I realize it would be a hasty generalization to assume you are a murderer simply because you took psychotropic drugs, but it seems that's all we do anymore on this site is speak in fallacy.
I mean, I know statistically taking those antidepressants increases your chance of being a murderer by less than .01%, but on this site, those statistics don't matter. If we find a couple murderers who were on medication, we can assume that the medication will have the same affect on everyone who takes it right?
So let me ask again, how many people did you kill in the 10 years you were on those drugs?

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Off and on

For 10 years. They were always changing the drug/doseage to find what was "right" for me and I never actually felt "right" despite that. My problem was actually hormonal due to severe endometriosis.

You really need to look into the studies that have been done showing where as much as 10% of the population isn't able to metabolize these meds correctly due to genetic abnormalities causing them to have large amounts of the drug build up in their system. These drugs alter the chemicals in you brain which can affect different people different ways. It's like Russian roulette.

I do believe that it's not likely that any drug (legal or not) will turn someone into a killer unless they were prone to violence anyway, but I know from experience that some do lower inhibitions even in adults. Why would you think they wouldn't have an even more powerful effect on the brain of a teenager whose brain is already overloaded with hormones?

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

I agree...

...with your take on the drugs in that many people don't metabolize them efficiently, and that they aren't really a good answer for many problems they are prescribed for. I'm certainly not a proponent of these medications. I just don't think we can blame them for mass murders anymore than we blame the weight loss industry as a whole for people who die during gastric bypass surgeries.
I apologize for my snarkyness in my earlier comment.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

20% of adults are not committing mass murders...

....yet according to the American Psychological Association, 20% of adults use some form of psychotropic medication. To try to pin this on the drugs alone, or even in part, is nothing short of completely irresponsible. 1 in 5 adults are not committing mass murders.
There are many fallacies at play here but the most obvious is "post hoc ergo propter hoc" in which a cause is assumed to be the result of an action that precieded it. However, the argument completely ignores a previous cause which is likely similar in most cases among the 20% who take the medication, and that cause is that these people had some form of psychological condition. Isn't it only logical to see that people with pschological conditions are also taking psychotropic drugs? If the murders were committed (and mind you, we aren't talking about a large number here when compared to the 20% of adults taking the drugs)by people with no prior psychological issues, but they were for some reason taking the drugs, then there woudl be cause for concern about the drugs having an overly active part in turning regular people into murders.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I know that its not

I know that its not explicitly implied in the title thread, but a connection between the drug and shooting is clearly made.

Isn't it more likely that a closer correlation can be found with his underlying mental illness?

No, it is not.

The drug says right on the label that it may cause suicidal and homicidal behavior. To take a sad person, put them on this drug and have them become a mass murderer, then BLAME THE SAD PERSON is exactly what Pharma and "mental health professionals" are counting on.
It is not "a percentage" of these shooters, it is all of them. How many NON-medicated "mentally ill" people go on murder rampages? (I will guess none, since I have never seen any news story about it, and they would be on it like stink on $#it if they had such a story.)
This is what makes me so sad for people who REALLY want help with depression. If they seek "professional" help, there is a very real chance they will wind up committing suicide and everyone will blame them, even if they had never had a suicidal thought before the drugs, and even though the drug says right on the label that it might make them kill someone.
Why do you tolerate your neighbors being given drugs that might make them homicidal? I want to ask everyone in this country who wants to take guns from the mentally ill that question. You take their guns, they will find another weapon. Get them off the mind warping drugs and our communities will be safer.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Well if you haven't seen a news story about it....

....then that is scientifically verifiable evidence that it never happened.
Furthermore,you ask how many mentally ill people who aren't taking drugs go on murdering rampages, yet you completely ignore the overwhelming majority of mentally ill people on pyschotropic drugs who DON'T go on murderous rampages.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Dude we're talking over each

Dude we're talking over each other =P

Maybe we should tackle different parts of the forums.
Tell the CIA, my pay check hasn't arrived this month. If I don't get it by Monday I'm TELLING!

My mistake.

I thought you were genuinely seeking truth, or I would not have wasted so much time tracking down all those links. Please, do go lick your Master's boots and stop pretending you are open minded.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I'll let them know...

...but it won't be until next week. I have Illuminati meetings all weekend.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

You are ignoring COMMON SENSE

A PERCENTAGE of the people given this drug WILL HAVE the reaction. Would they give a hypertensive patient a drug that gave 5% of the people a stroke? Of course not. Would they give diabetics a new insulin that caused 5% of them to lapse into a diabetic coma? Absurd! It is only "mental health" where such an OBVIOUS possible harm to the patient is tolerated as "the standard of care."

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Here is what you are telling me....

....2 million people out of 40 million who take these drugs, have committed murder because of the medication they take? You are really stretching, by a couple million actually.
You may have read the story yesterday about the man who died after getting his wistom teeth out. Or how about the countless people who die because the cancer treatment kills them before the cancer? How about the small, extremely small percentage of people who have fatal complications during numerous other routine procedures. Do we stop pulling wisdom teeth, treating cancer, doing hip replacements, etc. because an extremely small percentage of unique people had uncommon reactions to those otherwise helpful medical procedures?
Now I'm not even saying I support the use of most of those drugs and antidepressants, but the math simply doesn't add up in your favor in this argument. You guys are using a very high profile case to put guilt on a broad range of products. What you are doing is nothing different than the gun control folks who take these incidents and blame the murders on the guns rather than the people. They want to ban the guns, you want to ban the drugs.
Both of you want to take the rights away from the millions of other people who those drugs and guns help, becaue you assume the drugs are the cause, just like they assume the guns are the case.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Can you show me a picture of

Can you show me a picture of the said label? Or a link?

I cannot comment as I don't know the statistics for that, but as you're making a positive claim, you must provide the relevant statistics.

As another poster has pointed out, 1/5 of Americans are on these drugs so the odds of a shooter being on drugs is 20% without even factoring in the symptoms that led doctors to prescribe the said drugs.

I have no opinion either way but these are very hasty conclusions to draw.

I like your posts so please don't consider this condescending or insulting. I'm just looking for positive proof or the lack of it.

Thanks for asking.

Here is one I found by googling "black box warning paxil." I'm adding it for instruction, will link labels below.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6254504/ns/health-childrens_health...
See if you can spot the 1. Medical negligence (It is NOT permitted for MEDICAL doctors to knowingly give drugs that will make a patient's condition worse.) and 2. The cognitive dissonance, the way the patient is blamed for anything that MIGHT go wrong before they are ever put on the drug.
OK, here's a hint on that last one:
“We continue to believe, however, that these drugs provide significant benefits for pediatric patients when used appropriately,” he told reporters."
So, if the kid uses it APPROPRIATELY, the doctors can guarantee no ill effects, right? No, not right. The people who succumb to these devastating side effects are usually taking the drug as prescribed. When they complain of symptoms, the doctors try several different drugs rather than stop the drug, because stopping the drugs.... wait for it.... may cause psychosis. (I'll get you that link too.)
Here the NIMH admits the people at risk are NOT those taking it improperly, but rather "for unknown reasons, they may trigger agitation and abnormal behavior in certain individuals."
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-m...
Here is one more thing: You will hear people say "only in kids" but that is NOT TRUE.
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/ssri_birth_def...

OK - here is the actual Paxil package insert:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_paxilcr.pdf
You will find the risk of "psychosis" listed under the nervous system. along with "withdrawal syndrome."
This article describes how "withdrawal syndrome" can include psychosis:
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2006/0801/p449.html Really, These "doctors" think giving depressed people something that might make them psychotic if they take it AND if they stop - that is OK.

Here is the history of these killer cures:
http://www.cchr.org/sites/default/files/International_Warnin...

And if you have not ever been to www.ssristories.com, please go.

THANK YOU for taking a moment to look down this bunny hole. It may save someone's life some day.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

It mentions only suicidal

It mentions only suicidal thoughts and actions NOT 'homicidal'. I'll put that down to spell check.

The article goes on to say that suicides in youths have decreased 25% in the last decade while their anti depressant prescriptions have soared.

My opinion? It is simply to protect themselves from countless litigations.

I meant no disrespect in the CIA post fishy. Come on, it was a joke...=)

One of the links showed"homicidal" behavior developed in trials

and it used to be on the labels, too. Maybe it is on some labels, maybe Pharma got the FDA to let them remove that. I did not go through every anti-depressant, as I said, I thought you were actually looking for answers and figured I gave you plenty of leads, if I did not answer every question.
Never mind, after about 20 people you care about take these, one of them will have their life ruined. Maybe then you will get curious.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Your last sentence is in very

Your last sentence is in very poor taste.

Anyway, trials may show several things, but when the final statistics are done, a lot of things are discovered to be statistically insignificant ( in the technical sense).

What do you have to say about the decrease in suicide rates in youth?

That is what they are counting on?

Really? Because they are doing a very poor job. 20% of adults take these compared to how many mass murders? Or even regular murders? You are talking about nearly 40 million adults in America taking these drugs compared to how many murders and suicides? To claim that the companies want this to happen is ludicrous.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).