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Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again!

A warm welcome to all! May the love of Christ inform what we say, and how we say it.

Please feel free to comment on the various articles that I have posted. I will attempt to answer your questions, and am always looking to incorporate your feedback as I seek to grow in my own understanding.

As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another. - Proverbs 27:17 NIV

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A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Readings for the Fifth Sunday of Easter (April 28, 2013)

Collect - Almighty God, whom truly to know is everlasting life: Grant us so perfectly to know your Son Jesus Christ to be the way, the truth, and the life, that we may steadfastly follow his steps in the way that leads to eternal life; through Jesus Christ your Son our Lord, who lives and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.


First Lesson - Acts 11:1-18 (NIV)

The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

“I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

“Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’

“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”


Responsive Reading - Psalm 148 (KJV)

1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise ye the Lord from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.

6 He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

7 Praise the Lord from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:

8 Fire, and hail; snow, and vapours; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

9 Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars:

10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:

11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:

12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:

13 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.

14 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the Lord.


Second Lesson - Revelation 21:1-6 (NIV)

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.


Gospel - John 13:31-35 (NIV)

When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once. My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come. A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

We interrupt your regularly scheduled religious programming...

... to bring you a small bit of good news on the political front.

I am a Republican Precinct Committeeman in Volusia County, Florida, and therefore a voting member on the Republican Executive Committee, the leadership for the Volusia County Republican Party. This past Tuesday, April 23, at the monthly REC meeting, I introduced a resolution supporting last month's "drone strike" filibuster by Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. There were approximately 75-100 REC members present; while the resolution is only symbolic, I am pleased to report that it passed unanimously. The text of the resolution is below (Note: Ron DeSantis is my Congressman)...



WHEREAS, on March 6, 2013, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky took a bold stand when seeking an answer to his question concerning Executive authority and American drone policy; and

WHEREAS, Senator Paul led a nearly 13-hour filibuster on the floor of the United States Senate, striking a chord with Americans across the political spectrum who were impressed with his sincere, honorable, and steadfast position; and

WHEREAS, Senator Paul took a passionate and determined, yet gracious and statesmanlike, stance in support of the United States Constitution and against unchecked Executive power; and

WHEREAS, Senator Paul was supported in this important endeavor by Senator Marco Rubio and Congressman Ron DeSantis; and

WHEREAS, God-given rights, limited government, separation of powers, and the rule of law are foundational American, and Republican, principles; and

WHEREAS, the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution declares that "no person shall be... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

WHEREAS, on March 7, 2013, Attorney General Eric Holder capitulated to Senator Rand Paul’s request by conceding that President Obama does not have the authority to order drone strikes against non-combatant American citizens on American soil; therefore, be it

RESOLVED, that the Volusia County Republican Executive Committee affirms that the Constitution of the United States forbids the Federal Government from carrying out a drone strike on American soil that targets an American citizen, unless that citizen is engaged in conduct which poses an immediate and deadly threat to the United States; and

FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Volusia County Republican Executive Committee applauds Senator Rand Paul for his courageous leadership and commends the support provided by Senator Marco Rubio and Congressman Ron DeSantis; and

FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Volusia County Republican Executive Committee calls on all Volusia County Federal, State, and local Republican officials to "Stand with Rand" by continuing to fight for the principles of God-given rights, limited government, separation of powers, and the rule of law.

Approved and adopted this day April 23, 2013, in Daytona Beach, Volusia County, Florida.

I, the undersigned, hereby certify that the foregoing Resolution was unanimously adopted by the Volusia County Republican Executive Committee.

E. Tony Ledbetter, Chairman


While I cannot be sure, I doubt that such a resolution would have passed unanimously prior to this year (indeed, it might have failed to pass at all). From my vantage point, the GOP, both nationally and locally, is beginning the process of correction after the disastrous "wrong turn" it took in nominating George W. Bush in 2000, and in supporting his Neoconservative agenda when he became President (not that the GOP was a paragon of Liberty prior to 2000). Rand Paul is now considered a credible contender for the Presidential nomination in 2016, and I, for one, think that this is a very hopeful sign.

Those of us who are Christians must put our trust in God, rather than in men. However, God often works through the hearts of men, whether small or great:

The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes. - Proverbs 21:1 NASB

While it is true that America is in a time of crisis, it is also true that God is in control of all events...

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. - Ephesians 1:11-12 NIV

... and will use all events for the spiritual benefit of those he calls to faith:

And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. - Romans 8:28-30 NIV

I think that there is cause for optimism in the current political situation; consecutive defeats in Presidential elections are causing the GOP to reassess its ideology, and therein lies an opportunity for the Liberty Movement. Regardless, "God is our refuge" (Psalm 46:1), and he is in complete control of our current situation, no matter who is arrayed against us:

Love the Lord, all his faithful people! The Lord preserves those who are true to him, but the proud he pays back in full. Be strong and take heart, all you who hope in the Lord. - Psalm 31:23-24 NIV

Psalm 46 (referenced briefly above) has served as the inspiration for multiple songs over the years; I will conclude with this contemporary adaptation:


Questions or observations, Liberty patriots? Thank you and God bless.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

I thank you, Andrew.

You have that great combination of integrity, intelligence, and guts, to actually make a difference in the nasty political arena. Kudos to you, my friend. You will continue to be in my prayers for all your wonderful work. May the Lord continue to bless you in all you do.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Thank you for your kind words, Nonna!

Please feel free to respond with observations or questions to my other articles in this thread.

P.S.: If you and bear have not yet reconciled, please make an attempt to do so. I consider bear a friend, know that she feels wounded by recent events, and know that she desires to reconcile with you. Thank you and God bless, lady patriot.

EDIT: If you have not already done so, you may want to read what bear posted here. God bless.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand


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Readings for the Fourth Sunday of Easter (April 21, 2013)

Collect - O God, whose Son Jesus is the good shepherd of your people: Grant that when we hear his voice we may know him who calls us each by name, and follow where he leads; who, with you and the Holy Spirit, lives and reigns, one God, for ever and ever. Amen


First Lesson - Acts 9:36-43 (NIV)

In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (in Greek her name is Dorcas); she was always doing good and helping the poor. About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, “Please come at once!”

Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them.

Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, “Tabitha, get up.” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called for the believers, especially the widows, and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord. Peter stayed in Joppa for some time with a tanner named Simon.


Responsive Reading - Psalm 23 (KJV)

1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.


Second Lesson - Revelation 7:9-17 (NIV)

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying:

“Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”

Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes -- who are they, and where did they come from?”

I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


Gospel - John 10:22-30 (NIV)

Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Rabindranath Tagore, Indian poet

That You come to save me--
this is not my prayer;
I ask for strength to overcome.
You need not comfort me by lightening my load;
I ask for strength to carry my burden.


With everything going on and wanted to share.This song helps sooo much!
Praise You In This Storm w/ Lyrics!!


Andrew and bear Thank You so much!God bless both of you!

Thank you, GBAmerica...

... for the video and the kind words.

Please feel free to comment or ask questions concerning the various articles I have posted in this forum. God bless.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand


Picture this scene: A Christian has fallen into a pattern of sin, and is now grieving over what she has done. Satan is whispering into her ear, “What you did is unforgivable. You turned your back on Jesus, and now he has turned his back on you. You are not good enough for Jesus!”

What to say to this heartbroken Christian? For me, it might be something like the following (all hotlinks are to Scripture verses):

Dear sister, God chose you, before the creation of the world, to be his possession. His purpose for choosing you will be fulfilled, because he has planned out everything already, and his purpose always prevails. Christ died to redeem you, not with silver or gold, but with his own precious blood; you belong to him now, for you were bought with a price.

Remember, dear sister, that God grants repentance; if you are grieved by your sin, it is a sign that he still loves you. God works out everything for your good, and he will use this struggle against temptation to make you a stronger Christian. Now, go confess your sin, and God will bring forgiveness and cleansing, because Jesus always stands before the Father, interceding for you. Then, come and receive Christ's body and blood, and know that you are one with him.

Your faith in Christ is a gift from God, and it shows that he has predestined you for heaven. Your destiny is certain, for God works out everything in accordance with his will. Even now, God is shaping you into a special vessel, prepared to be filled with his glory. The day will soon come when you will be given a beautiful wedding gown, and will be brought to Christ our husband. You will see him face to face, and, for all eternity, will experience his love in all its fullness. This is your destiny, dear sister; persevere!

Comments or questions, Liberty patriots? God bless.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Amen, Beautiful !

If He asks of us to forgive 70 times 7, even within a day, how much more will He do, knowing that it is His Son who chose to die for you of His own volition?

Romans 8

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Thank you for the kind words, lady patriot!

I note that, in addition to Reconciliation, the other posts of mine that you have expressed appreciation for (What I Believe, Confess, and Hope For and A Letter to Christ) each rely on a particular theological position of mine: That Christ expresses eros (sexual love) toward us as his wife, and that our blessed destiny is to experience this live-giving, transforming eros, and to respond with eros for him in return. This viewpoint is developed in my Sexuality: Divine and Human series of posts; I invite you to respond with any observations or questions that you may have. God bless, dear sister.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Draw Me Close to You

I think that the praise team of Open Door Presbyterian Church in Virginia has captured the "feel" of this song very well (click on the icon in the lower right corner of the video to go "full screen":

At the risk of sounding sexist, I will say that nothing on Earth is more beautiful than women expressing a heartfelt and passionate longing for Christ.

The lyrics, as sung in the video:

Draw me close to you
Never let me go
I lay it all down again
To hear you say that I'm your friend
You are my desire
No one else will do
Cause nothing else can take your place
To feel the warmth of your embrace
Help me find the way
Bring me back to you

You're all I want
You're all I've ever needed
You're all I want
Help me know you are near

In an attempt to make the song more explicitly focused on Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper), I have composed an additional stanza:

Draw us close to you
Never let us go
Our longing is for nothing less
To taste the blood of righteousness
You are our desire
Keep us pure and true
Cause no one else can take your place
To feel you in our inner space
Draw us in the way
Raise us up to you

You're all we want
You're all we've ever needed
You're all we want
Let us know you are near

God bless, Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

A Letter to Christ

This post is a reproduction a letter that I wrote about 6 months ago as a "homework assignment" for a Wednesday night church group. The assignment was to write a personal letter to Christ, and what I wrote is an elaboration of the general sort of personal prayer I tend to say as I am preparing to receive Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) at church. While it is a little rough, as I wrote it rather hurriedly, I have elected to leave it as initially composed, except for minor corrections...


A Letter to Christ by Andrew Jetton, 09/19/12

Dear Lord Jesus,

You are the Son of God through whom all things were made, the King who is inheriting everything from the Father. You are infinite in power and majesty, perfect in splendor and holiness. You could have had any that you set your desire upon, yet you were willing to accept us as the bride the Father has chosen for you.

In your infinite love you created us for yourself, and, in the fullness of time, took on our nature, to redeem us from sin, death, and judgment. You defeated sin by your sinless life, and conquered death by death. You, who knew no sin, became sin for us, so that we would be made righteous; by your stripes we are healed. In your resurrection and ascension, you paved the way for us to join you in heaven. Even now, you intercede before the Father, securing his forgiveness through your own precious blood.

As I ponder all the great and magnificent things that you have done for us, I know that we, sinful and unworthy, can never repay you. No, we can only accept, with humility and wonder, that you would purchase us, not with silver or gold, but with your own life, to be your bride and queen. Still, I ask that tomorrow, and Sunday, and everywhere and always when your people gather to commune with you, that you would accept our offering of ourselves to you. Please accept this small thing from us, for we want to please and honor you.

As we receive your love, dear Jesus, please purify and transform us. Impart your nature to us and fill us with your fullness, so that we can become the wife you are worthy of, the one you will be pleased to spend eternity with. Set your love in our hearts so that there is no room for anything, or anyone, to take your place. Set our eyes upon you, dear Lord, and upon the soon approaching day when you will call us up to be with you, when we will see you face to face. For now, we believe by faith, but hasten the day when we will know you as we are known. We thank you, we praise you, and we love you, dear Husband.


As always, I welcome thoughtful questions and observations. God bless, Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

I have moved this Agape' Forum to the new Religion section...

... of the Daily Paul site. Thank you, Michael!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

The Boston Tragedy - A Prayer

Holy Lord Jesus,

You have defeated death, ascended into heaven, and stand before the very throne of God as our High Priest, interceding for us with your own shed blood. We pray, in this time of tragedy and suffering in Boston, that you present our petitions before the Father:

- For the Church in heaven, that she will welcome, with open arms, her members that have suddenly left their earthly existence behind;

- For the Church on Earth, that she will, with renewed determination, preach the Gospel of salvation, remembering always that the days grow short and the time is near;

- For President Obama, Governor Patrick, and Mayor Menino, and the governments they head, that they will wield the sword in righteousness and truth, with justice and not vengeance, punishing the guilty, yet sparing the innocent;

- For the suffering, the grieving, and all those who are physically, emotionally, or spiritually wounded, and for those who care for them, for you are the Great Physician, merciful and compassionate, able to bring healing and redemption even in the aftermath of this horrific act of violence;

- And, most especially, for those who have died in faith, that you would enfold them in your loving arms and fill them with your grace forevermore. Amen.


A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Psalm 46 - Comfort in the Midst of Disaster!

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that rightearly.
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.


A timely passage of Scripture, dear sister

Thank you.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand


Thank you for this somber, yet beautiful, song and video. May Christ fill you with his love, joy, and peace during your time of grief, dear sister.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

-- And grant us the blessing

of living quiet and peaceable lives now and in the midst of the coming turmoil. Amen.

A nifty video...

... that I saw on bear's The Will of God in Christ Jesus Concerning You! thread:


God bless, Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Love that


My dear Christian sister bear...

... has posted her reflections concerning 1 Thessalonians 5 on another thread.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Thanks Andrew!

Appreciate the link up. I have lots to read here!

Much of it is old, recycled stuff from the other thread...

... but the embedded songs are new, and so are the weekly Scripture readings. I hope to have a new theological post up within the next week or so. As always, please feel free to comment, dear chosen lady.

P.S.: If you have not yet read my Sexuality: Divine and Human series of posts, please do; I value your perspective and would like to know what you think. Please do not let the title scare you away; I hope that you will find them Biblically oriented and edifying. God bless.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Alleluia! Sing to Jesus

We sang this hymn in Church today. While I do not entirely agree with the expressed theology (as I believe that we partake of Christ in heaven, rather than in him coming to earth to be present within the Communion elements), I think this is a pleasant tune with worshipful lyrics:


God bless, Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Thank you, Granger!

That is a nice hymn!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand