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This website is NOT Libertarian

I am going to quit attending this website, because it fails to represent what they say they stand for. I have seen much intolerance, ignorance, and hypocracy on here, that this website has lost much credibilty. Now I can understand why the general public sees Ron Paul supporters as nuts. I can't blame them, because Ron Paul, who is very smart educated person himself, has very ignorant followers (for the most part). The college educated ones are the only exception. So I am going to resign from this website and join a real libertarian website.

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This is an old post

from April, and ryno.t1985 is still on board here. His latest post declares that he has become an anarchist, and received 46 upvotes. Good for him: he stuck it out, and learned something.

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For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Wait what?

I'm sorry, when did Michael Nystrom never declare this a Libertarian website. Sure, most on here share these ideals, but what "Libertarian" website are you going to run to? Also, although I am college educated,I am afraid the college educated members on this site may be the source of your frustration. If it wasn't from my own studies throughout my college career, I would have been a brainwashed zombie.

It's "hypocrisy."

Get it.

We should all be more ideologically pure and devout Libertarians. Oh wait, didn't people quit the Libertarians to support the Republican Ron Paul? Apostates!

The Alliance

The liberty movement appears to be a combination of libertarian, populist, and conservative.

Draw a triangle with those three points: libertarian, conservative, populist. We're all dots at different places in the triangle... but we're all inside the triangle. Progressives, for example, are completely outside the triangle.

As a result, these three perspectives have all intermixed with each other to create a new thing which has elements of all three roots.

Some people lean more libertarian, others lean more populist, and others still lean more conservative.

We all mostly care about the same things and we mostly agree on how to take action on them.

Despite whatever flaws it may have, its the best and most stable combination in the past three decades. All previous attempts to join these factions together failed (ie Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, etc).

Pick an 'area' of the liberty movement to concentrate on, and it will reveal which of the three points you lean most towards.

Blah blah blah

If I had a nickel for every cry baby that posted a "I'm taking my toys and going home", I would be rich. Yet, they never leave. I have an idea for you, grow up!

To be fair...

This site was never intended to be explicitly Libertarian. Libertarian was a label Ron Paul got stuck with, and the media used it as a pejorative. I will say though, I have been somewhat surprised by the recent support of drones I've seen here. As well as the lack of support for responsible gun ownership. I thought for sure I'd see at least a few other folks criticize George Zimmerman's actions as irresponsible.

I think what's happened here is that as time passes, neoconservatives are jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon, knowing that his campaigning days are over. All of a sudden Republicans who despised him in 2008, are name dropping him alongside rinos like Marco Rubio. I guess this is what having a "big tent" is all about. But I can't help but miss the old Daily Paul where I knew for a fact when I logged in I'd find people who ached for real freedom the same way I do.

This is an old thread. Ryno

This is an old thread. Ryno has made many posts since. Now Ryno claims to be an anarchist.

all true and yet....

...maybe, just maybe, he had a point.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Can we just make a rule that

Can we just make a rule that locks these type of threads. I mean, talk about kicking a dead horse.

I imagine that this person is either: a)getting off on reading the responses; b) has already left never to return.
I imagine that this person has also written at least one of these goodbye cruel world screeds before - the username sounds familiar.
Attention whores deserve no attention.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

It's "hypocrisy"

not "hypocracy"

you are correct as long as

you are correct as long as you are here ryno.t1985 !!!!! http://www.dailypaul.com/287969/marijuana-should-not-be-lega...

ps bye bye and good riddance!!

a libertarian that doesn't want marijuana legal, lmfao.

Ron Paul 2016


"The college educated ones are the only exception."

Hahahah. I know many people with college degrees who are by NO means 'educated'. What a joke. A piece of paper doesn't make you smart. I have a college degree by the way. What a douche.

proverbs 20:15
There is gold, and an abundance of jewels;
But the lips of knowledge are a more precious thing.

Exactly what I was thinking

It really gets under my skin when someone insinuates that having a degree somehow qualifies you as intelligent.

Whenever someone makes such an assertion, I pretty much assume they themselves are probably a few fries short of a happy-meal.

Most of the dumbest knuckleheads I know went to college; and their intellect is still tenuous at best.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

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Thank God!

I don't take too kindly to being "labeled".

If someone told me I was strictly a "libertarian" I would argue the point.

I am not any certain anything. I also no longer vote for the man.

I look at the big picture.

If you are mad because this site doesn't strictly adhere to "libertarian" principles then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

However, if you keep an open mind, please, do stay.

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9/11 Truth.

I don't have time at the moment to read the comments, but...

...I will post this.


That doesn't state it is a purely "Libertarian" website. Where is the claim?

However, Ron Paul, and the Founding Fathers, fall squarely in the Libertarian camp. They may be 98% Libertarian, let's say.

It sounds like your "pet issue" is not being covered enough, or you don't see "enough" posters like yourself.

Lastly, I will say you lose a TON OF credibility when you say Ron Paul supporters are ignorant, and that they are intolerant? The basis of the non-aggression principle is TOLERANCE. Sure, people in the heat of debate may get impatient, but give me a break. Ignorant? Everyone knows that Ron Paul is attractive to EDUCATED and ENLIGHTENED and SMART people. Because like attracts like, and Dr. Paul is educated, enlightened and smart. He speaks the truth, and those interested in truth find that attractive, like oppositely charged magnets attract each other. That "magnetic" attraction is really spiritual. So if you are repelled by something here, you might re-examine your foundation beliefs, because the foundations taught here are truth-based.

Sounds like you have a bone to pick with somebody/ some people. Whatever. I'd say don't shy away from debate. But if you don't like it here, move on. No hard feelings. See ya and best wishes.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

You're not one either maybe?

I don't see this site as being libertarian either and neither am I. But it seems your earlier post about not legalizing THC is contrary to libertarianism also. Do you really know where you stand?

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

Just a very low-tech bot,

Just a very low-tech bot, nothing to see here.

Ventura 2012

way to misinterpret

I don't remember Ron ever saying he's fully aligned with the libertarian party's ideals. More like how the republican party originally was. I've been to plenty of libertarian forums and I have to say that they're not all the sharpest tools in the shed either.

There are a few people on and off that give Ron Paul supporters a bad rep but honestly this is in my opinion the best forum around. I've learned quite a bit from the people who frequent here since ever before I was a member.

Bottom line is, you'll be back to the daily paulinator.

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I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

DP is not libertarian? that must mean...

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

On your way out, please take the other big "L" lovers

With you. Slowly but surely the Libertarians started hijacking this site and while most all here certainly enjoy debating positions, the big "L" crowd are as bad as the Liberals. The "our way or the highway" crowd is easy to spot, and they all stick together to stroke each others ideals and drown out debate, many of which have ruined the Libertarian party. To my knowledge the dailypaul.com has never been a purely Libertarian site, as we are a hodgepodge of ideologies, and past party affiliations, yet no where on this site does it declare it to be a Libertarian, open border, anarchist site as many would have new comers believe.

So please leave with care, best of luck to you, and when you are prepared to be truly educated, to be truly humble, and most importantly to drop any and all party affiliation, then and only then might you feel comfortable at the dailypaul, where principles and values far exceed political ideologies.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

I never thought so either.

"To my knowledge the dailypaul.com has never been a purely Libertarian site, as we are a hodgepodge of ideologies, and past party affiliations"

You're right and I agree with that statement.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

Thats a pretty chitty attitude..

although I will say, the DP has changed a bit. The Zimmerman trial and reaction here really surprised me. Seems nobody gave a shit a young kid died and the reaction was very cold. Regardless if the kid attacked Zimmerman, its a shame that he died. Nobody knows what exactly happened and the kid can't defend himself because he is dead. It was poor judgement on both sides that ended up in the kids death. I don't have a horse in the race and honestly could give a shit less. The reaction on DP was really shocking to me. Anyone who broke rank and dissented was attacked so I see where the poster is coming from. Certainly not a compassionate look to say the least.

I gotta agree with the poster on that issue. Take a sample from the right wing and the language on display here was lock in step with TheBlaze or any number of neo-con responses to the verdict.

You dont have to like what I write, but its the truth.

Personally, I can't wait for the mid-terms to heat up. Seems we all sit around festering for the next election. A lot of folks leave and the direction always seems aggresive and angry after an election.

This is my favorite site on the internet. Some people piss me off over AJ and conspiracy but overall its the best place to get quality debate and news.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Where do you get that from?

You seem to toss up positions I don't see in the post. Such as,

"Anyone who broke rank and dissented was attacked so I see where the poster is coming from. Certainly not a compassionate look to say the least."

"I gotta agree with the poster on that issue. Take a sample from the right wing and the language on display here was lock in step with TheBlaze or any number of neo-con responses to the verdict."

Right wing examples? You mean samples of supporting a man found "not-guilty" and being persecuted by this administration?

Maybe you posted amiss?

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.


and if you can't see what I mean... then take a look at a few of the threads about the Zimmerman trial. Some of the comments are downright vicious.

Ironic.. you make my case.

But.. like I give a fucking shit about this stupid ass, moronic fucking trial that has only divided us. Whooptie fucking doo.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

It maybe in how you read it...

...if you read with a negative attitude I suppose you'll probably get defensive. Reading a post in a bad vs good light gives responses such as yours containing no doubt.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

what is your point?

I guess Im defensive...? Hell I dont know. Im just being honest about my observations. I will be a member for 6 years in a couple weeks. I lurked before that and feel I have a good bit of history to compare it too.

I apologize for coming off rude. Just saying the guy has a point.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

this sums it all up left

this sums it all up left right middle and DP!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2GwROJTZbg

Ron Paul 2016


Whoooo are youuuu?

Too funny.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.