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Anonymous vs Israel - it is on

http://rt.com/news/opisrael-anonymous-final-warning-448/

Israel claims it is merely a minor inconvenience, but Anonymous made good on their threat. I wish them the best, the Israeli government needs STOPPED in their murderous tracks.



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There would be flags of various countries sold and waved.

I can't speak for the rest of the country. I can only speak for what I saw my entire life in NYC - the world's melting pot. Of course, if we're talking the Southern border area that border's Mexico, than the odds are, there will be a large number of Mexican flags in contrast to that of other nations. Same can be said of Florida with the large Cuban and other Caribbean countries. But again, strictly in NYC, there would be flags, not only from south of the border, but Italian and Irish as well.

More recently, there have been several other "Cultural Festivals" celebrated throughout the city. I'll give you one example; A big park in Queens, NY (where the World's Fair was held back in the sixties) hosts several of these. One of these is the Colombian Day Festival where people celebrate "their country's" independence day. There are many other flags from different countries sold and waved at that particular festival in solidarity. Yet there are always those that "choose" to take offense at their presence.

See how that can be viewed from different perspectives?

I'll add something else that I'm sure most here don't know about. There are many "Benevolent Associations" divided in to cultures for various government agencies. While cultural pride is great, it creates/promotes division and stalls progress of moving forward. Here are a couple of examples:
http://www.dsnycolumbia.org/index.html

http://www.dsnyemeraldsociety.com/about_us.html

http://www.nypdcolumbia.org/

http://columbiaassnusc.org/

"Memberships" in these "clubs" are restricted to that particular race/culture. Don't believe me? Go ahead and check out the last names of each of the board members in the links I've provided. These "clubs/associations/etc, also have had stands at certain festivals and/or events promoting their "group", where they sold traditional food, and yes, flags. As stated before, I'm cool with it, just not their hypocrisy when another group does it. It borders on racism.

Are you talking

about selling flags in general, or selling them on US independence day?

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Both

I've seen people wave both at once as well. And again, I personally don't choose to see it as disrespectful. Wouldn't it be wise to assume that is you didn't like the country the festivities are representing, that you wouldn't even bother going to the festivities in the first place?

I don't have a

problem with others waving both at once, or celebrating their countries independence / what ever cultural holiday they celebrate. It just pisses me off when they sell their flags on the side of the street, at intersections etc on July 4th.

Kind of like a Jehovah trying to sell their Bible to a Christian on Christmas, it's just ignorant. Sure, if I didn't care for cinco de mayo I wouldn't have to go to the parade, but it is different when you are driving through your city on July 4th far from any parade and people are selling other countries flags. It is just disrespectful.

Would it be fine if somebody in Mexico went on the streets trying to sell American flags on May 5th? I think those who tried might get hurt. Same goes if somebody tried selling an American flag in Italy on the 2nd of June.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

No, I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is try changing

your "perception" of it from the glass being half empty to the glass being half full. There are people that take offense at flying the the U.S. flag upside down, but I happen to agree with them. Same goes for a list of countless things people will let themselves get offended at. Believe me, I do see your point, but if you look deep in to it, I mean how far are we going to take this? It's all about attitude.

I have personally worn my red, white, and blues shirts to a few of these festivals and have never had any problems. I think it has to do with attitude above all else. Everyone's usually in a festive mood, NOT a fighting mood. However, I wouldn't wear it in Tijuana or Juarez Mexico at night.

"I think those who tried might get hurt. Same goes if somebody tried selling an American flag in Italy on the 2nd of June."

I think fear is letting you blind you a little, but that's just my opinion.

BTW here are a few Cinco de Mayo pics:

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2012/05/06/lorain-hosts-i...

http://www.cincodemayosaintpaul.com/parade.html

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=fire...

http://www.sjgif.org/events.html

http://www.photohouston.com/Mexican-folk-dance/ballet-folklo...

http://www.360mainstreet.com/article/274/fundraising-for-cin...

Notice the American flags?

BAHAHAH...!!

You mean, like how the Irish run around on St. Patty's Day drinking green beer? Or the Italian Mardi Gras Parade in New Orleans? Take the blinders off.

Excuse me but, all the proud Irish and Italian people I know

(and I do know a lot of them very well) don't go around waving the flags of their ethnic origins on AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE DAY (i.e. July 4th).

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I thought of that too

but I think the key word here is 4th of July. I think FIA's point is that it is on the 4th vs let's say Cinco de Mayo. Not that I give a damn. If someone is trying to insult my pride they will fail miserably cuz I have none. I'm kind of an @$$h0l3 like that.... just ask my wife.

EDIT: Isn't Mardi Gras a French thing?

Interesting how there are always different ways to

look at things and most will veer toward the negative. Is it possible that one waives a flag "SIMPLY" for representation of their culture and where they are from, and not to take anything away from the day's festivities? Look at the crowds in many concerts or even some sporting events. The flag waving is done, even when the band playing has absolutely nothing at all to do with that particular flag/country, but so the flag waiver can state that he/she represents that country and SUPPORTS the band, or event.

The nature of people is always to jump to conclusions because they already have some negative seeds sown in. How about asking someone next time the purpose of the flag waive? You might be surprised at the answer.

BTW - not directed at you personally, but merely to add a different point.

Mardi Gras is the French way of saying "Fat Tuesday",

the day before Lent, when Catholics are supposed to fast and do penance. It is a Catholic thing and is not limited to any one ethnic background, just different ways of pigging out before the Lenten Season begins.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

OK

so it is really more of a Catholic thing than it is a French thing. Some of the Polish guys at work get these donuts sent to them from home called Punchki (I think that is how it is spelled).I guess that is the Polish way of using up all of the lard and butter and other stuff up before Lent

I was in Chicago

Waukegan/North Chicago that is. Big Hispanic population up there.

Your post reminds me of this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nONjlZ8YMkA

I tend to agree that the Hispanic community as a whole appears to revere a country that they left in favor of a country that they forsake... I guess just because there is an economic benefit to doing so. However I think we have to remember that the "Hispanic Community" is a collectivist idea and does not speak to the individual. I have interacted with many Hispanic immigrants that strike me as being more "American" than some of the natives I know.

I detest

collectivism as well, and only speak of the people I have seen. I actually have a neighbor who first came here illegally for a period of time who realized the benefits of being a citizen. He went back to his family in Mexico and waited to come back legally. He got his citizenship, has a good paying job and cares for his new country more than most natural born Americans.

Also, I worked with a Taiwanese lady who naturalized here 25 years ago who has a deeper regard for our country than a lot of natural born Americans, and she put it bluntly, "I left my country because it was corrupt, and ignorant voters are setting this country up for socialism and with that comes more corruption."

I have respect for immigrants, who come here legally.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

The key word is "legally"

The laws on immigration are so convoluted and restrictive that legal immigration is nearly an oxymoron. Change the law, allow productive people to live here with all legal protections, and you will see the 'illegal' problem disappear.

Of course, you will have to amend the welfare state at the same time.

Couldn't agree more

It's almost as if they keep the legal immigration process screwed up on purpose just to keep "illegals" here. Maybe keeping them illegal gives politicians more political leverage so that we are thinking about immigration rather than the Fed/fractional reserve banking where all of the real theft happens. Where's my tinfoil???

+1

I work with a guy who is a legal immigrant of Peru. His wife got her citizenship and he got over here with her. They have two daughters, she works a job and he works two jobs... all three meager salaries I'm sure. He is big time pro-second amendment and we talk about firearms CCW all the time. He works his @$$ off and the quality of his work is as good or better than most. IMO... that's f**k'n American

not seeing the difference

the violence of the state continues to allow both to perpetuate.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

I'm confused

Are you saying that the violence of the US state towards Mexicans causes Mexicans to come over here?

Are saying that violence from the Mexican state towards Mexicans causes Mexicans to come over here?

Are you saying that violence from the US state towards Americans causes Mexicans to come over here?

I just need clarification.

i am saying the violence of the state

prevents enforcement of federal law.
i am saying violence of the state continues to fund this by stealing my wages. i truly believe immigration would solve itself if it were not for the generous "safety net" productive people are forced to pay for.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

Ok OK

we're on the same page now. You are saying that the force of the US government stealing your wages to subsidize illegal immigration contributes to the immigration issue. I agree with that to an extent. I think if the subsidies stop a certain amount of the immigration would stop and probably reverse but certainly not all. But what would be left in the US I just don't think anyone would care if it wasn't subsidized. Actually an unsubsidized immigrant workforce would be an economic plus in my mind. Just my $.02 though.

we are exactly

on the same page. sink or swim, all are welcome.
no one is going to raise a family of five on $8.50/hr.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

Unless,

you have seven kids, share a house with your wife's sister and her brother while receiving tax credits for each child.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

YUP!

Or the guy who makes $25/hr, has 2 kids, but uses a fake address(with a cousin or something) so the state won't know he lives with the kids mother.

Now mom can get sec.8, welfare, heating assistance, an ebt card, and they still get the EIC.
The guy lives almost for free, while everyone else pays all his bills.

I understand your sentiment

but it is far from being the same thing. Palestinians live in shambles in very crowded communities in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The domiciles generally have electricity but may or may not having running water. Needless to say that they are probably no more than three room domiciles.... very meager. That is not what they are complaining about. When the Israeli government decides that it is going to expand and start building settlements it will annex parts of what Palestinians currently occupy, block it off, bulldoze it and build lavish domiciles (by Palestinian standards) to be occupied by Israelis. The Palestinians are at that point displaced from their homes and are never allowed to return to the place where there home once was because the Israelis control Palestinian movement in and out of Israel. Please do not miss understand me. I am not a Palestinian apologist. This is a very complex situation and I don't think that anybody's hands are clean. These kinds of situations do not fit the description of the immigration issue we face here thank god but these thing do happen all over the world and there is not much that any single or multiple government can necessarily do about it. But there is one thing that I do know... I don't want my tax dollars going oversees to subsidize it. Here is a video in six parts if you would like to watch... a little light weekend watching. I would say that it has a Palestinian slant but no more than the Israeli slant that is fed to us by the MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUDCrBxQL4U&list=UUidK7AQ1Lz...

They are Jewish ONLY

They are Jewish ONLY colonies, not settlements.

You do good work.

:)

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

As do you

:)

anonymous isn't supposed to be a cohesive group

it might just be one or two or a few involved in whatever operation. I don't agree with everything anon puts out. I think some have drank the UN/NWO koolaid re: AGW and 'peak' oil. Besides, who really knows what they are?

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Good morning fishy

I'm watching them on their IRC feed right now.

https://webchat2.anonops.com/?nick=opisrael....&channels=opi...

If anyone goes there be careful and DO NOT CLICK ANY LINKS that might pop up in the feed unless you know what you are doing.

G'mornin'!

Thanks for the link, and the tip. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I do know when I don't know what I'm doing... lol! No clicky for me!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.