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Dear Heavenly father, we entreat you to guide our paths in righteousness and truth. Give us discernment that we may recognize clever wordings that amount to misrepresentation and that would lead us astray and harm us. Keep our minds sharp against the wiles of our enemy.
Remind our leaders that We-The-People are the government, and that they are only the representatives of that government, namely, We-The-People. Remind them that We directed them to follow the Constitution of the United States of America and of Ohio and they agreed to do that when they took their oath of office. Humble our leaders by instilling in them the concept that they have no power except that power which We-The-People give them. Forgive those leaders who have gone astray by assuming the position of being our task masters and lead them back to their rightful position of being our representatives and to work for us in harmony and in the spirit of cooperation so together we can rebuild our great country.
In Jesus’ name we entreat you.

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Did you just call someone else your secular leader?

Stop failing at life, or else you will be in for a big surprise afterward.

their power is..."from above"...

We The People need Christ, the leaders need to FEAR God...

John 18:37 "... Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice..."
non-believers DO NOT hear Him, thankfully many seekers as of recent are BEGINNING to...your prayer goes there...

More importantly; "how did we get here?" God has allowed it...as Christ told Pilate in John 19 verse 11...

John 19:10-11 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? [11] Jesus answered, "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."

And let it also be recognized again...just as the Jews who committed the greater sin in handing their Messiah(they rejected because of their hard-heartedness) over to the Roman authorities, so will the professing hard-hearted Christians of the Scribe, Pharisee, Sadducee arrogant and educated variety hand the TRUE believers over to today's authorities, at the manipulation and urging of Zionists, and their unwitting hirelings!

And so we say, "the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants"; so it has also been written " "the blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church,"" which means the righteous will be killed for their righteousness, because [John 3:19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Like the OP's plea here, we WARN all Americans how evil these days are for our once envied Republic where freedom & prosperity flourished unhindered; DON'T trust man's intellect to spare or deliver this nation from such a truth-hating, unrepentant, and compromised government that is pressing forward recklessly and without restraint!

This battle is truly spiritual!

Excellent Invocation

Thanks, that is very well done, in my opinion, a work of art.

If I may ask, can you elaborate on your choice of the following words:

"Remind them that We directed them to follow the Constitution of the United States of America and of Ohio and they agreed to do that when they took their oath of office."

The reason I ask has to do with an assumption on my part concerning the concept of a Democratic Federated Republican design of Voluntary Competitive Free Market Government.

I wish to explain (to anyone who may listen):

The Federal Constitution is a product of State Constitutions, not the other way around, and that design feature maintains Liberty, and it maintains Liberty by the Check and Balance of POWER given up by the productive people who CONSTITUTE We The People.

This is serious stuff, this is The States Rights versus the Omnipotent Idolatry of a Monolithic, Monopoly, Dictatorial, Nation State Regime of Absolute Abject Obedience to Falsehood Without Question, and it is a battle that has been raging since 1787 in this Country.

Not a Revolution that is Televised on Major Media Stations, but a Revolution none-the-less.

It was Revolutionary, or thought to be Revolutionary at the time, when States had the God Given Right (not the "thing" called a State but We The People in that State, which is a list of names, and it is not a "thing unto itself, a State Idol THING, not that, "it", a "State", is, in fact We The People in that State), it was thought to be Revolutionary, at the time, to have a State having the RIGHT, to secede, or not pay Taxes to, a Federal Government POWER that goes bad, where a State has a RIGHT to stop paying extortion fees to a Criminal Government.

That is clearly understood as a RIGHT in much of the early Revolutionary writings, such as The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, the Ratification Hearings, the so called "Anti-Federalist" writings, etc.

The American history is full of examples of States (the people) exerting their rights against a Federal government (the people in the Federal government) overstepping their clearly enumerated boundaries.

Well, one of the criticisms of "The Constitution" was that it was anything but clear in enumerating boundaries, rightly so, and that is why The Bill of Rights was "reluctantly" attached to The Federal Constitution, so as to thereby clearly enumerate those boundaries.

So, I'm asking, why those words are chosen, by the Topic Starter?

These words:

"Remind them that We directed them to follow the Constitution of the United States of America and of Ohio and they agreed to do that when they took their oath of office."

Clearly there are many people in many States working to exert their States Rights in a competitive, peaceful, voluntary, just, equitable, kind, but DEFENSIVE manner, as those criminals in those false federal offices are clearly overstepping their boundaries of good conduct.



To be sure, the wording I used could have been written more explicitly. I confess to using wording that is more accepted by the people who do not understand the difference between the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights (BOR) or even understand exactly what leaders are agreeing to when they take their Oath Of Office (OOO).
In actuality, there are many “clever wordings” that obstruct the truth. The Bill of Rights is the secular document that ultimately protects We-The-People. There is a void in our leaders taking an Oath of Office to adhere by and to the BOR. “They” have attempted to treat the BOR as amendments to the Constitution and thereby “they” proffer that when the leaders take their OOO to the Constitution, the leaders are also agreeing to adhere to the BOR. This is questionable.

Many OOO’s use the word “support” in the wording. A quick check in the Law dictionaries reveals a trend towards a run around. In Black’s law dictionary 6th Ed. states that, “Support, v. [Please note that this is the verbal definition.] Furnishing funds or means for maintenance; to maintain; to provide for; to enable to continue; to carry on. To provide a means of livelihood. To vindicate, to maintain, to defend, to uphold with aid of countenance.”
Please note that the context is financial.

In Black’s Law Dictionary 7th Ed, it doesn’t directly give the verbal definition of “support” except as it relates to supporting the ground under your feet from caving in. It starts you on the rabbit trail to see “MAINTENANCE (5). And when you go to the Maintenance 5 definition, you first find that you’re getting the definition listed as a noun but then it sounds like a verb and then you read, ”5. Financial support given by one person to another; esp., ALIMONY.”

There is glimmer of hope under the word “Maintain” in the 7th, “To assert (a position or opinion); to uphold (a position or opinion) in argument.”
So we have rabbit trails clouding the issue and to me it all begs the issue. Are our leaders going to protect us? The answer is NO. Why? Because if they took any oath in which they were pinned down to act, as in a promise to protect us, they would be legally liable for our demise. That’s why cops do not have a duty to protect us as individuals. Cops only protect people “at large” so that suing them is somehow nullified. If we wanted to really nail the leaders down, the OOO would state something like “we promise to protect the individuals from government abuse and oppression stated in the BOR. (Something like that.) They’ll never agree to that.

So it appears to me that the only protection we individuals have will be coming from our self. And with the gun laws, we are hindered from even doing that. Something is wrong here.

Anyway, I got off into a rabbit trail myself. But I think you get the picture of the difficulty in trying to be too exact. I will pray in the Spirit and let the Holy Spirit pick the words and methods and figure out exactly what to do and how to do it. I’m only a sinner saved by grace.

State Constitutions

Very interesting that the State Constitution is mentioned. I wonder, did we need the Bill of Rights if State Constitutions were followed? I don't know much about that, but in that Law Link I gave you for Mike from Linda Thompson, Linda says that the Bill of Rights were NOT AMENDMENTS, but were a Part of the Original Constitution. I always thought the Bill of Rights were added later. But from what Linda said they were apart of the original passage of the constitution, maybe in the sense of passage contingent on the bill of rights being added? I am a poor historian.


The Constitution was ratified on the condition

that there would be a Bill of Rights. Remember, both NY and Virginia were opposed to its ratification and Virginia especially only agreed if there was a BoR added. George Mason actually wrote the BoR and Madison tweeked it - Madison didn't want a BoR thinking the Constitution was clear enough. He was very, very wrong. There were originally 12 Amendments proposed but Congress ditched the first two.


It's a pretty good website if you have time to wander through it.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Thank you!

am checking it out now. Appreciate your time and the link :)

Hi, bear

If you are a "poor historian" when it comes to American history, you are not alone. I'm thinking I should maybe take the American history course offered within Ron Paul's home-schooling curriculum.

P.S. Your sister's family remains in my thoughts and prayers.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

What a neat idea!

I had thought about taking Tom Wood's classes, but have never gotten around to it. I didn't know Ron Paul had his own home-schooling curriculum. Did I understand correctly?

Thank you for remember my sister's family. We appreciate it.

The program is brand new.


Although they are accepting enrollment, there isn't much information yet. I wanted to check out the K-5 program. But there was only one link, to an article titled Basic Kindergarten Skills. And that led to a one sentence intro with a link to continue reading that led to nowhere, at least to nothing that I was able to access. Well, I guess they had to start somewhere. Addendum: I see that there is now another link, K-5 Timetable, that explains that the curriculum will be presented in stages beginning September. As for other grades, I think it would be appropriate for them to at least provide an outline, but it seems that you need to join to get information. But it's noted that the site is a work in progress and that people need to periodically check back, which I'll do.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir


Thanks for the links! Did you read this: http://www.ronpaulcurriculum.com/public/126.cfm

and this tells about when the lessons will be available:
It is strange, I have considered home schooling today. You see, I wanted my boys to go to school so they could be around lots of people with good personalities as opposed to their mother who is abit shy and timid and does not enjoy groups of people at a time...

We live 20 miles from the private school. They do not have any close friends, and as a matter of fact, they are abit on the outside. I don't like it. It seem that what I was trying to avoid is actually what they have run into and I think it is still because of my anti-social personality because if I was buds with all the moms they would naturally fit in with the kids. Spilling my guts here. It was a hard afternoond as my youngest was the 3rd wheel and actually left out of some fun...on purpose...and it was not so much that he was left out. He was actually locked out, literally, as the other 2 boys watched a movie in the van when they could have all been playing together. He is only in 3rd grade. I expect that kind of treatment in 6th grade. Not 3rd. It makes me feel sick for him.

When I picked up the boys the 5th grader's teacher told me that my son had confided in her that some people seem to be popular, but they are not very nice. She said it seems to be bothering him. We didn't get to finish the conversation because the boys arrived at the car ready to climb aboard.

They are getting a good education. Both are going to the regional spelling b's this spring. Both have straight A's. But I don't know how important that is when they don't have a secure peer-friendly environment. That kind of stuff is why I started taking drugs in 6th grade...

Thanks mdefarge. I needed to get that out.


Thanks, bear.

No, I hadn't read what you linked. Man, them's fightin' words! It was great to see them taking such a strong stand, i.e., about not working with state agencies. But I'd think that every state would have different standards, anyway. So I guess parents have to either fight, take flight, or supplement the RP curriculum to meet their state's minimum requirements. As "essays" were brought up as part of their argument, I guess they're talking about middle grades and up. (I recall them saying somewhere else that essays would be part of the curriculum as of 5th Grade.) Well, by mid-May there will be something more for interested parents to go on.

As to what else you mentioned, it made me sad. I'm sorry, bear. I do know what it's like from both perspectives. I was miserable when overcrowding caused a small number of students in my town to be bused to the next town (as of my grade, with my street the dividing line). I didn't attend the same high school as my siblings, my friends on my street a year older than me, nor my group of friends from junior high who ALL went to our town's high school. I lost interest in school. Yeah, I made new friends, the ones I cut classes with all the time.

Then as a parent, after I moved, we were 13 miles from their private school (either all streets, with over 13 lights en route, or by the highway, where you could get stuck in traffic - so you had to figure a half hour there and a half hour back). It drove me crazy driving all over to accommodate playdates so they'd have a social life. Plus there was ZERO spontaneity, with everything having to be planned in advance. There also came a time I was no longer comfortable with sleepovers; some parents have rather lax standards. When one of my children transferred to the local public school, he was so much happier. He could bike to friends' homes. And for those just a little further, he *could* come and ask me to drive him, and I'd be home in ten minutes and later take ten minutes to pick him up. It was so different from previously, when he'd already be home from school and connect with friends (who lived near the private school) who were getting together for the afternoon and would invite him. When two round-trips would take two hours, it just didn't happen. It's just my personal opinion, and there are a lot of things to be weighed into the equation, but... everything being equal (unfortunately rarely the case!), I think children are better off when they're closer to home.

What helped a little (since that was not the case for a few years), was that, although the private school was some distance away, my children got involved with Little League. It provided a means to meet some local peers. Some went to public school, some also like them went to one or another private school. But they were all in the area. There were only a few they became friends with, i.e., to sometimes socialize with outside of LL. Still, when they did eventually transfer to public school, at least in the beginning there were some familiar faces in classes and someone's table to join at lunch until they made some new friends. Maybe your children are similarly involved, or in any event they do have your church that must provide them with a sense of security, something of an extended family. But I know. It's a tough one bear.:( Really, my heart went out to your younger son. And, sadly, how right on your older son's comment was!

I was really curious about RP's K-5 program. Not without mixed emotions, but I guess (if children have a good grounding beforehand) I'm okay with public school at the high school level. Not thrilled, but okay with it. In my children's case, it really could have been more challenging, and yes, Social Studies and English classes are biased. Now I'm sure home-schooling parents would disagree with me, but I liked my children having different opportunities I'd never have been able to provide (nor the small private school they went to). And some of their teachers were really terrific - especially their older teachers - who generally set higher standards and who were also *trained* differently. And by then my children were astute enough to see through teachers' biases.

I do NOT feel the same about public elementary school. I'd home school before sending my children to public school before 6th or 7th Grade if I didn't have a good private school to send them to. As I'm sure you know, I am extreeeeeeeeeemly partial to Waldorf education for elementary school, which a philosophy about education that I wholeheartedly agree with and SUCH a rich curriculum. (For one, it's an interdisciplinary curriculum - with academics and also the arts integrated as appropriate.) But also, they let children be children!... WHILE, at the same time, helping them to develop skills and capacities that will serve them WELL once they reach upper grades/ adolescence. It not only made junior high (public school) work seem easy, but what is developed are really lifetime skills and appreciations. In public school, it's all about grades and getting students to pass standardized tests. They couldn't care less if children developed AN APPRECIATION for any of the subjects!

By the way, there are many, many people who homeschool according to the Waldorf curriculum. Should you decide to go that route, it's maybe something to check out - as a curriculum guide, to supplement some other guide, or just to know about to help evaluate what else you might find. I forget if I've mentioned this elsewhere, but while it's Christian in orientation, it's not a parochial school. It's spiritually oriented. Some call it "new age" - a term I know to be anathema to some conservative Christians, although Waldorf education is highly complex and often misunderstood. I once heard John Hagee refer to these "pagan schools" that promoted earth worship and celebrated pagan holidays such as Michaelmas. I knew he was talking about Waldorf education, and I laughed out loud. (While it's better in Europe, I'd never heard of it until my children were in a Waldorf school.) Michaelmas is celebrated in the Fall... on the Feast Day of St. Michael - Micha-el who hurled Lucifer out of heaven as per THE BIBLE. (Children usually hear the corresponding story of St. George & The Dragon. It's a wonderful story of good triumphing over evil.) You'll find the Michaelmas Daisy (which blooms at that time) in the pagan handbook called the Burpee Seed Catalogue! (Actually, alas, I think Burpee went out of business.)

And Waldorf schools do NOT proselytize about the environment; it's terrible how they do in public schools!!! So much about pollution and dying endangered species and how bad people are! In Waldorf ed (as with everything else at the elementary level), it's all about inspiring an appreciation for all that's GOOD and BEAUTIFUL in the world! That includes in the mineral kingdom, plant kingdom, and animal kingdom. And what is VIRTUOUS among mankind. Everything taught at the elementary school level is from a positive perspective. It's one of the nicest things about Waldorf education!

The founder of Waldorf ed did feel that children should have religious instruction, if Waldorf schools aren't meant to provide that. (Ours here offered Christian religious instruction after school for those parents who wanted it. At least they did. Possibly today's politically-correct younger parents have managed to do away with that! Just like in some classes they've gotten rid of any birthday treats being brought in if they contain sugar. On a birthday, c'mon! And who knows, already back when my children were little, there were always complaints that the old-fashioned fairy tales they learned were sexist. Fairy tales reflect far more than most people realize, but that's a different story.)

The schools have always taught about all cultures and religions, and that's okay by me. As also the fact that all faiths are represented in the student body. (Except atheists... while schools don't have religious instruction, per se, there IS acknowledgment of our Creator.) Anyway, I am a believer in Jesus Christ and take the New Testament as GOSPEL. It's not "a" priority in my life, but the priority. And I've never felt that my beliefs were compromised in any way. And if you're homeschooling, none of what I said would matter anyway! Homeschool parents can use any hs curriculum as a guide and teach, or not, whatever they wish!

Well, I don't know much about the Waldorf-inspired home school movement, but if you're interested to see what it's about, I just looked at what came up on line. There is a lot, but this looked like a good place for someone to start. http://www.christopherushomeschool.org/learning-more/article...

bear, know that if you ever want to pick my brain about Waldorf ed or just talk about things outside of this venue, you can always contact me. Really, I felt so badly to read what you wrote. When your children feel like they're "out of the loop" for some reason, well, it doesn't count among the joys of parenting, that's for sure. All I can say is, "This too shall pass." And then there will be some other issue! :)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Just wanted to let you know that I read your reply last night

and I so appreciated your words to me.

It is such an emotional topic I haven't yet written a reply. You know, it is hard to go there. But I do still want to talk to you.

I am on my way out the door now so that I can pick the boys up and then sit in town till 4:30 so the oldest can be a part of the track team. I really need to get wifi, or what ever it is called :) Sometimes I park at McDonalds or on the town square. Not sure what today will hold. LOL

They are our

"leaders?" If so, they are "leading" us right off the cliff. Representatives maybe, but they sure don't represent much/


“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James