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"The 'Libertarian' Taliban Writing Ron Paul's Curriculum"

With the newsletter controversy finally easing into obscurity, has Ron Paul once again licensed his good name to someone he shouldn't? Apparently, Gary North, who's writing the Ron Paul home school curriculum, has, in previous writings, called for America to become a Christian theocracy that constructs "a Bible-based social, political, and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God."

As for maintaining order in the home school classroom, let's hope he doesn't restate an earlier assertion that, "When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime (Ex. 21:17). The son or daughter is under the lawful jurisdiction of the family. The integrity of the family must be maintained by the threat of death."

Even considering that Paul and Woods would presumably veto that kind of talk in this curriculum, have they done themselves a huge disfavor by associating so closely with him?

Read all about it at:
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/04/08/gary-north-t...



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Debbie's picture

I would think the Doctor would vet all the curriculums.

It has his name associated with it.

Debbie

Gary North evidently is no libertarian...

...but I would assume these theocratic views of his aren't going into the curriculum, in which case this is non-news. But if such views are going into the curriculum, well then Ron has made a mistake in associating himself with it, as those are certainly not his own views nor the views of his supporters.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It is a mistake regardless

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

If he has any say, the

If he has any say, the biology curriculum will be whack.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

"the biology curriculum will be whack"

That's extremely unfortunate, I was hoping it would be too legit to quit. Let's hope the English curriculum at least is dope and/or phat.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I LOLed out loud

I LOLed out loud on that one!

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

Judging by an email exchange I had

with Gary North regarding an article he wrote on Darwin and evolution I would imagine this could very well be the case.

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

The beauty

Of homeschooling is that if you don't agree with part of your curriculum, you don't have to use it.

I do not believe that the writer of this article would have used Dr. Paul's curriculum anyway, but that's just my opinion.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Phxarcher87's picture

Well Ron Paul is Never Wrong so

im pretty sure hes got it under control like a boss.

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

Yup Ron Paul is pretty much God

So he's got it under control - just like those newsletters.

Turn off your mind, relax and just follow along.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

Newsletters?

Which newsletters?

Phxarcher87's picture

You got it man

Just along for the ride.

Seeings how he denounced those letters and they never had anything to do with him.

What other issues have you found him to be wrong on?

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

Debbie's picture

Yes, and they were a long time ago.

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Debbie

Of course Paul had nothing to

Of course Paul had nothing to do w/ the newsletters, but that doesn't mean they weren't a knock against him when trying to win over supporters. Besides having faith in whoever was in charge w/ the newsletters, it seems like every Paul supporter and his brother thinks he was very wrong for having faith in Jesse Benton running his campaign.

Cheap shot

"(I notice that for all the grousing about “worthless FRNs,” he still expects to be paid in dollars.)"

As if anyone can expect to ask for anything else and get away with it.

As for the rest, I look forward to reading North's response. I don't think I've read any of North's religious stuff, only vaguely aware that he's written a great deal on it.

This is misleading. There's

This is misleading. There's no indication that North has included these concepts in the homeschool curriculum as it would lead the reader to believe.

Good point

Good point, Kong. I edited the post to point out that North's controversial statements were in previous writings, but still: Of all the potential partners in the liberty and home school movement, are Paul and Woods wise to have chosen this apparently warped character to write school curriculum?

LOL

You want "warped"??

Check out their libertarian Communist Collectivist manifesto:

Instead of trying to silence or ignore the crazies in our midst, we ought to confront them and expose the lunatic fringe for what they really are: peddlers of fear, falsehood, and paranoia, just like the politicians they claim to oppose. We cannot sit passively next to the people in tinfoil hats screaming about chemtrails and FEMA camps and still expect to be listened to when we try to speak about our real concerns on foreign policy or personal liberty.

What discredits and defames libertarianism is not the belief that government is corrupt, exploitative, or conniving. Rather, what hurts the cause of liberty most is when its alleged proponents lie, libel, and twist the facts. As skeptics, we realize that the evil perpetrated by our government mostly results not from the plots of secret cabals, but from the unintended consequences of bad ideas. In the name of opposing those ideas, we must not let ourselves become a carrier for another set of malignant beliefs.

Libertarians need to practice a kind of “conversational intolerance” within our movement, exacting a social penalty every time a person tries to hijack our message with false and nonscientific claims. We must make the libertarian movement inhospitable to the crackpots and conspiracy theorists if we hope to move the philosophy of liberty from the margins to the center of public discourse. It needs to be crystal clear to everyone that our ideas based on–and defended with–facts and evidence, not superstition and innuendo.

Anyone who'd arrogantly practice a commie 'purge' via idiotic pseudo-intellectual exile deploying “conversational intolerance” and lazily ostracize those with substantiated openviews as "fringe" or "conspiracy theorists," clearly have no clue how to GovTrack.us, or Google, let alone know WTF they're talking about.

Also ANYONE who are more concerned about 'policing our own' to purge from 'our movement' are collectivist hacks posing as individualists. The latter are more driven by an urge, and freedom to share and discuss info, not make it their solemn Raison d'être to shun, for the sake of 'saving' and polishing the 'liberty movement' as if it's their private prized shiny fragile Fabergé egg.

http://skepticallibertarian.com/ looks like the official neoCon hijacking attempt vs. liberty movement. Check out some of their headlines:

The “Monsanto Protection Act” That Doesn't Protect Monsanto

Fake Quote Files: Adolf Hitler on Gun Control

“Government shouldn’t be in the marriage business.”

The Real History of the Fed: Why It Didn’t Take a Miracle (Or a Conspiracy!) to Pass

Why Big Pharma Conspiracy Theories Fail

Fake Quote Files: Mussolini on Fascism and Corporatism

The New World Order – A Personal Statement

Fact-Checking Ben Swann: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Here's a rebuttal from a r3VOL vs. "skeptical" libertarian: http://reformedlibertarian.com/2013/04/08/a-libertarian-invo...

A true skeptic is someone who actually examines all available info, not draw up a-prior conclusions and expose oneself to those views which they're already predisposed to preferring.

Just what we need more of: douchebag cadre of Michael SQUiRMer The Skeptic Magazine editor wannabe MiniMes.

But thanks for linking to the site. Otherwise, would've never known that the Reason/CATO set were dispatching their own Hitler Jugends.

God, the neoCon Faketarians never rest, do they? Don't know what's worse, Trotskyites infiltrating the Goldwater movement to become neoCons, or Faketarians raising their own Hitler Jugends, post-Ron Paul era and calling themselves 'skeptical' libertarians, you know, because 'conspiracies' don't exist in the real world and if you're a libertarian who wants to discuss or expose it, well then you must be on Jack Hunter's baddie list!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Becoming a fan

of ACM

+10

ach

it's the CATO/Reason KOCHsuckers smearing the Pauls and the Austrian school, again.

looks like these a-holes are apparently grooming their own cadre of neoCon Faketarian 'Cosmo' Beltarian Hitler Jugends.

You'd think to actual libertarians, anyone calling "Libertarian Taliban" is lying.

That entire website reads like F*cker Carlson's TheDailyCaller/Glenn Beck's delusional view of "libertarianism."

Anytime you see self-proclaimed 'libertarians' who try to dictate what libertarianism is by smearing the Pauls, the Austrian School, while hilariously actively try to avoid ever mentioning Mises, or Rothbard, but worship Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, and Hayek, strictly? You know these are AIPAC-whoring Wayne Allyn Root/Bob Barr types.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Yeah, but...

So, all your bluster aside, I conclude that, if you were in charge of a libertarian project like this, you'd be perfectly comfortable hiring someone who yearns to change the USA to a Christian theocracy that "denies religious liberty to the enemies of God."

As for the phrase " 'Libertarian' Taliban" in the title of the article, please note that Libertarian is in quotes, meaning the writers are questioning North's credentials as a true libertarian; rightfully so, unless you think libertarianism should help replace our current system with an intolerant Christian theocracy.

Also, I don't think the Skeptical Libertarian site is remotely "AIPAC-whoring." AIPAC would certainly not have liked this story on their site: http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2012/02/05/ron-paul-ira...

"Christian Theocracy"

An oxymoron if I ever heard one. Christians believe in religious liberty, for all faiths, atheists, even Satanists. One cannot truly follow God at gunpoint. God knows what is in our hearts. Christians recognize the contradiction in salvation by coercive violence. The Crusades were not inspired by a belief in God. It was most likely "the other guy" whispering in the Crusaders ears.

so...

basically you're telling me that you can't spot a subtle media propaganda operation, when you see one?

Do you even know who Gary North is?

Are you familiar with the history of Rothbard vs. Koch Bros. divide?

Are you familiar with WHY some here call CATO/Reason-KochBros-set as "Faketarians, Beltarians, etc?"

While it's past history, so it's not as if it's some prerequisite, as all political movements have internal subdivision infighting. But there's a reason why the 'George Mason U'-set/CATO/Reason denizens avoid mentioning Rothbard and Mises, if at all possible. If you actually tracked their rhetoric over the years, you'd notice a quite visible absence of certain libertarian luminaries, then a sharp spike post-Ron Paul R3VOLution in mentioning ye who shall never be mentioned: it's not an accident that they only mention Rand, Hayek, and Friedman as paragon of libertarianism, but rarely Mises or Rothbard, et al: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html

You do know that Ron's not a theocrat, nor is North, right?

With a few select intellectuals, what they teach, preach, discuss, and want to practice individually vs. what they 'seek to impose' are wholly separate. Actually, to most libertarians, the entire notion of 'imposing' is a living oxymoron in their world.

So yes, in fact, most smart people can and do discern pure info vs. imposition, regularly.

It's funny how many atheists have problem listening to Christian Anarchists, but most Christian Anarchists have no problem listening to atheist AnCaps.

Hm... wonder why that is...

Always bemusing to watch those who imply or allude that their opponents are bigots, ALWAYS turn out to be simply projecting their own, real bigotry.

PS. Just checked your website, dig it.

As for:

So, all your bluster aside, I conclude that, if you were in charge of a libertarian project like this, you'd be perfectly comfortable hiring someone who yearns to change the USA to a Christian theocracy that "denies religious liberty to the enemies of God."

1. You cannot conclude what you don't know, a-priori
2. I wouldn't want to be in charge of a "libertarian project like that"
3. as such, your conclusion that I'd be perfectly comfortable hiring..." has no bearing.

RP hired Benton. Tell me, does RP share Benton's statist views?

On a side note, I've known many Hindus who sent their kids to Catholic Schools because they simply appreciated the discipline of the curriculum structure. Plus, their kids were smart enough to discern secular historical info vs. theistic under and overtones.

If you've actually read North's writings, on econ and secular historical matters, you may reach the same objective understanding those Hindu children at Catholic schools did. But, since I wouldn't presume, keyword being "may."

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"so, unless you think libertarianism should help replace our current system with an intolerant Christian theocracy."

do you see me promoting North or point by point agreeing or disagreeing with North? but at the same time, do you really see these people are on the same par as say...Frothy??

Uh, no.

Here's what I'd expect of anyone, both parents and students, enrolling into Ron Paul's program:

1. find out who Ron Paul is.
2. find out who curriculum teachers are.
3. find out if you agree with Tom Woods, Gary North, or Ron Paul's view.
4. don't like it? stop the program.

why do you assume that the type of people who would actively seek our Ron Paul's program would be so stupid as to not even bother finding out who these people are, before enrolling??

also, why do you assume that what Ron Paul and Gary North would be promoting "intolerant Christian theocracy" when you had to be told by SkepticalLibertarian.com who Gary North is?

Why don't you read some more of his stuff, then come to a conclusion?

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Pardon my rhetoric

You're right...I absolutely didn't think you'd embrace North's positions, but your blistering assault on the writer of the article seemed to skip right past the substance of the issue (that is, whether North is a wise pick) and simply returned fire on Ron Paul's behalf instead. I cherish Ron Paul, too, which is why I was concerned about what I read about Gary North.

As for reading more of North's stuff, the article is well-sourced and links to the sources for its Gary North quotes. Yes, I believe a well-supervised North would probably write school curriculum that sticks to proper libertarian principles, but I still find it odd that someone who apparently embraces those beliefs about what America should look like was the top choice.

Sincere thanks for your compliment. Yours in liberty...BP