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New York gun confiscation underway

Well congratulations to all the SSRI-haters, you've given the enemy the ammunition they need to disarm potentially thousands of honest, law abiding gun owners: your paranoia over people going "crazy" on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs is fueling forfeiture of NY Pistol Owner IDs and guns & gun accessories.

Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Remember all those who denied that firearms confiscation as a result of New York’s new gun laws was too “insane” to even consider? There’s just one huge problem it is happening now in New York State! Those folks having their weapons and FID cards confiscated have been discovered to have been prescribed multiple different types of psychotropic drugs, such as those for Depression or Anxiety.

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-york-gun-confiscation-un...

The fact is that neither anti-anxiety nor anti-depression drugs cause anyone to go crazy, the issue is that these drugs are being prescribed to people who are already unbalanced and potentially dangerous. It's only a correlation, not causation.

I take an SSRI to go along with my ADHD meds. Sure, I lived without these pills for 40 years, and can take them or leave them today--but they make my life more pleasant and help me be more productive at work. And I can assure you the effect of alcohol is far more dramatic than the effect of Celexa or Xanax. Well, now, thanks to whacked-out SSRI-haters including many pro-gun people and Daily Paulers, if I lived in New York the state would now seize my guns. Wait for this to show up in a 50-state gun ban for anyone who ever took any drug.

Hope you stupid pill haters are all proud of yourselves for helping disarm innocent people. This is the beginning of the end, caused by fools lashing out, grasping at foolish nonsense, demonizing pharmaceuticals and people who are helped by them, instead of being sensible and merely defending gun rights for all.

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Demand. Hahahaha another

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The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

So you will run away and hide in a hole.

Or hide behind your unbeatable wand.

Or will you dare to demand your rights even if they promise to crucify you?

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No one's going to crucify

us for demanding our rights. They will simply ignore us. They don't need to bother with crucifying us when they have run so far away with the ball that they will do just fine ignoring any demands. We'd be much closer to victory if they saw any point in crucifying us.

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There needs to be an indepth

study on what people did BEFORE these drugs were available - particularly the ADD and ADHD drugs.

How in the world did schools handle kids who spoke and moved?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I totally AGREE with you, except---

for this comment that you made:

"demonizing pharmaceuticals"

VOTE this UP----not down!

Ok, as a grandparent of a little boy who was "vaccine-injured" due to a self-righteous, obedient Medical Establishment who pressures innocent mothers against their will (& under threat to take her off their insurance)to vaccinate their children, my little grandson cannot enunciate. At one time, he couldn't speak!! AND, it's cost us thousands of $$$ for a special Defeat Autism Now (DAN) doctor, not to mention thousands of $$$ for vitamins & chelation, all administered at certain times by his mother who is TOTALLY worn out from all this. The little boy is recovering, but he is still NOT enunciating real well. He's frustrated, and so are we!

So, don't tell me we at this community are too harsh against the pharmaceutical companies who produce vaccines in China that are NOT monitored by the FDA and which have MERCURY & adjuvants in them that CAUSE brain damage, or at the least, would cause a super intelligent boy to be just "normal".

Is this what we want for our society? Well, it's happening, and it's real.

However, you are right about the SSRI drugs. It all comes down to WHO is taking them, and HOW MANY are they taking at what mg. People abuse prescribed drugs every day of the week, but those who follow instructions are NOT going to go off the wall. So, are we going to penalize those who are normal, law-abiding people who happen to be taking 1/2 the normal dose of a drug, who are NOT a threat in any way, and they've taken it say for just 3 months of their ENTIRE FRIGGIN' LIFE, or will we not support such an outrageous control by our government?

If we encourage, here at the DP, that the government do "background checks" and "medical checks", then, we are encouraging a LOT of this. Why do we think they instituted OBAMACARE? They did it so they can get rid of guns via stupid things like this--at least that's one reason!

So, to prove my point, you might ask yourselves a question here at DP---why WOULDN'T the government/FDA outlaw these drugs if they deem them so dangerous? Duh..

Thank you

I really misspoke when I said "demonizing pharmaceuticals", since I am also a vaccine skeptic, strong supporter of parents' rights, and strong opponent of Big Pharma's immunity from liability and ownership of the CDC and FDA and Congress.

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Doc Wallach has cured hundreds damaged by vaccinations.

It's a simple matter of nutrition. Ninety nutrients are required for the body to heal any damage.

Vaccines overwhelm a child's mineral stores. Replace the minerals and the immune system goes into repair mode, including brain repair. The sooner the better.

The market can solve this problem before Congress does.

Join me! This technology is over 30 years old.
http://paulsplace.my90forlife.com/

For your grandson's sake and mine. We can show them and give them what they need to survive and thrive. It's lesson they will never unlearn. We need 90 for life and oxygen is one of the 90.

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TO: Paul_S

It isn't just a "simple matter of nutrition". It's more complicated than that. However, I agree that eating ORGANIC foods is an absolute "must", if we are to recover any of these vaccine-injured kids. We have administered all the vitamins & minerals he can handle, but this is not a science. NOBODY knows *exactly* how much quantity & timing we need to do. NOBODY. So, we struggle based on the successes of other mothers!

However, your link suggests vitamins for "longevity". Are you pushing your website?? That isn't appropriate UNLESS you were suggesting some cure-all, and I know for a fact there is NO CURE-ALL at this time.

To: cepivon

All's I can say is that I and many others on this site use this stuff and swear by it for a number of reasons.

One main reason I believe his stuff works so well is because he says the FDA's DV guidelines are way to low and everyone is over looking many vits & mins we should be taking.

Hey, study this guy. He's done things you wouldn't believe....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Actually it is just that simple.

It's proven science that applies to all animals; human or livestock. I've spent the last 2 years searching for these answers.

The Book Rare Earth's Forbidden Cures by Wallach and Ma Lan 1994, Chapters 4,5, and 6 discusses the problems. 297 references to major peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Fact is organic foods are grown in mineral deficient soils. Only three minerals; Nitrogen, Potassium and Phosphorus are applied as fertilizers.

We used to put wood ashes (plant minerals) in our gardens.
Pick a mineral:
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/geochem/method.php

Here's Selenium.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/geochem/map/image/lower48/se_aa.jpg

cepivon. I would not give you false hope. But there is a remedy for this.

And there's a money back guarantee.

For under $150/100 pounds your grandson will make expensive urine for a month. One Healthy start Pak.

If I am right all I ask is you pay it forward.

If I am wrong, I will apologize.

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Re: Simpleness......

Real health IS SIMPLE. The only reason we think it's complicated is because how were taught to think about it.

Grandma had it right. Now eat your greens.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Rockwell talks with Dr Breggin.

ADD And ADHD drugs "cause" brain damage.

360. Turning Children into Medicated Zombies
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/

Our children are suffering from multiple mineral deficiency diseases.

They are not suffering deficiencies of Adarol, Ritlin, Dizpremine, Cocaine, Heroin, Nicotine or Alcohol. Our children are craving minerals and the other 30 essential nutrients.

It's just that simple.

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I've had ADHD my entire life

To suggest it's a 'deficiency' of Ritalin is a funny joke. But the reality is that people with ADHD have different wiring. Doctors have done a pretty good job of screening people for ADHD. And if you take the stimulant and it calms you rather than exciting you, that's the evidence that the diagnosis is correct.

Ritalin does not cause "brain damage" any more than coffee does. That's just silly.

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It is different wiring

And it is difficult to know what to do about it. Drugs increase your mental freedom of action but challenge your liver and limit the amount of physical stress your body will tolerate. Hence you can be an accountant but you cant be a marathon runner. It is a difficult choice the individual has to make-- to pursue a behavioral repertoire that doesnt suffer from ones cognitive style but perhaps has economic consequences or pursue a behavioral repertoire that requires drug treatment. But you make it and you live with it. It may take 30-40 years to know the real cost though.

Then what enzyme is missing and why. What gene is failing?

There is no evidence to support the different wiring theory.

I believe your problem is real, but there is no evidence that you have a Ritalin deficiency.

At the vary least, Ritalin must be digested by the liver and liver disease is a reported side effect.

Several of the so-called side effects for Ritalin are also indicators of Chromium and Vanadium deficiencies.

My son is in college and his counselor is trying to put him on Adarol.

I said try this. He reports that he has never felt better, just after a weekend. Time will tell if nutrition with the 90 essential nutrients is the key.

I am taking the Doc's Pig Arthritis Pak and it is resolving my arthritis and joint problems.

All I'm saying is , Try it you'll like it. Fire your drug pusher.

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The drug industry is very big money.

Now this issue is being used as an excuse to usher in the gun ban.

IMHO we have incompetent doctors handing out psychotropic pills to teens and those in their 20s. The pills become a way of life instead of dealing with the cause of the anxiety. I do not believe in taking pills.

None of us in this world get through life without feeling depressed and anxious at some period in life. Taking pills is not the answer. I have talked to young people who have been on anti-depressants for up to 10 years.

Every pill has long term detrimental effects. The pharmo industry is selling their wares via ignorant doctors who basically know nothing about body chemistry. They have become the modern day licensed pill pushers for pharmo. A PILL IS NOT THE ANSWER. If you buy into using pills you are just a consumer helping to keep big pharmo in BIG PROFIT. Deal with what is bothering you and do not take psychotropic pills!

Mission Accomplished

Good. You're mad. That's exactly what should have happened. Now go turn that anger where it's suppose to be directed: to your local law maker.

Go piss and moan to people who haven't had their rights taken away already.

"caused by fools lashing out." Lol, ironic.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I don't believe there is an

I don't believe there is an age limit on the suicidal or homicidal side effects in these drugs.

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

I don't believe these side effects are "side effects"

I believe these are suppressed feelings which become unsuppressed on the anti-depressant. If there is a pill which reduces fear and enhances determination and confidence--then someone considering killing himself or someone else isn't a good candidate for it.

They'll be more determined to kill and less inhibited from killing. That's not the drug's fault, it's the doctor's fault for mis-prescribing.

I'm thinking that dangerous, pissed off people suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder or some kind of psychosis, co-morbid with what looks like depression--depressed because their life sucks and people don't like them, not because they have a "chemical imbalance." Giving them an SSRI is a mistake.

Conversely, if killing's not on your mind already, an SSRI isn't going to plant the idea in your head.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

SSRIs are associated with increased suicide in under 25

I think its pretty much settled science that some people are prone to suicide or violence on SSRIs. This is definitely agreed to by the pharmaceutical companies in regards to teenagers and possibly up to age 25.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-m...

If you have a depressive disorder, cognitive-behavioral therapy is the end, not drugs. Drugs are there to cushion the intermediate regions before you get therapy that allows a behavior change.

The issue is not gun owners or pill haters

Focus your attention to the government and solely the government. The governments arm stretches farther and farther into our lives then ever before IE big pharma, Monsanto, weather modification, and etc. It's all government oppression and caused by a lack of fight for a couple generations to hold onto our freedoms and liberties.

I had a conversation with my co-worker the other day and I was blown away by what she said. That doesn't usually happen much these days. She told me her sister worked for the government in DC (CIA, FBI) awhile back but the other day she added on to it that her sister has anxiety and has taken meds for it her whole life but when her sister got a job with the government a condition of taking the job was that she needed to stop taking her meds and be med free. I was left speechless at the magnitude of this knowledge I just gained. My co-worker clearly didn't understand the importance to me as it never really meant anything to her. Just an interesting tidbit about big pharma. It's no different then Monsanto selling gmo free foods in their own cafeterias.

TheSin

Thank you

Excellent points.

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Some counties oppose the NY Safe Act

Map of counties opposing NY Safe Act http://www.nysaferesolutions.com/2013/02/15/resolution-quick...

http://www.nysaferesolutions.com/2013/04/02/westerlo-resolut...
"NOW, THEREFORE IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED that the Westerlo Town Board does hereby oppose the enactment of any legislation that would infringe upon the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms and consider such laws to be unnecessary and beyond lawful legislative authority granted to our State representatives.

IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED that New York State must repeal the NY SAFE Act because its provisions are burdensome to our constituents and this town’s government constitutionally, fiscally (as an unfunded mandate) and practically, yet unlikely to provide palpable benefit in the fight against violence and those individuals who are likely to cause same.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a copy of this resolution be sent to: President Barack Obama, Vice President Joseph Biden, Senator Charles Schumer, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Congressman Paul Tonko, Governor Andrew Cuomo, Senator Cecilia Tkaczyk, and Assemblyman Pete Lopez."

The POINT is that the bad or crazy guys WILL get guns

It has NOTHING to do with guns themselves!!

It HAS to do with WHAT BAD GUY gets a gun! And,they will and they do!

As the FED won't want to "punish" the good people taking medications, thereby not banning meds or hurting Big Pharma companies, but on the other hand, they can't apply the same logic by not banning guns & by not taking them away from law-abiding citizens!! Duh...

lmao.. we're paranoid

for merely pointing out the fact that all the people who went on mass shootings and psychopathic killing sprees were on SSRI's/psychotropic meds? i bet you would call us paranoid for stating the fact that its impossible for a building to collapse at free fall speed without the assistance of explosives too... we're just pointing out facts, so take you bullshit somewhere else...

Slippery Slope

I was worried the moment people started to talk about taking the guns away from the crazies. This is the wrong approach for many reasons. The first (and most important) being that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Please note the absolute lack of any restrictive speech when talking about the 2nd amendment. It does not say anything about being able minded, able bodied, etc. You have the right to protect yourself.... period. Crazy or not.

The second problem with this is the definition of crazy. Of course anyone being prescribed "anti crazy pills" of any kind are going to be the first to be sucked into this type of lawmaking and the first to lose their rights. It is very unfortunate but they are the easiest targets. But where does the crazy train end? I would argue that all people go through levels of crazy every day. Being stuck in traffic for instance can drive anyone mad if stuck long enough when you have to be somewhere. SO, when you describe crazy, what exactly does it mean. Am I crazy? Are You? Aren't we all?

The other big problem will now be of those needing mental help but unwilling to get it. Anyone needing mental health experts are going to think twice and probably not act when it comes to mental health. Why? Because as soon as they do, they will lose their right to defend themselves. Its very sad....

Maybe you should read the

Maybe you should read the side effects of those drugs
Celexa http://www.drugs.com/sfx/celexa-side-effects.html
Xanax http://www.drugs.com/sfx/xanax-side-effects.html

Guns should not get confiscated, the drugs should. Most of these mass shootings were done by people on these drugs.

Neither Should

The users of these meds should be taking proper precautions. Locking up their own guns, giving the keys to a loved one would be a good first step. Just like when drinking and driving. It is your responsibility to manage both properly. Neither the car nor the alcohol are at fault. The user is.

Unfortunately, if you take away the med's, many people who are able to get better because of it are now alienated. I don't think the state should step in, but doctors and health professionals should advise properly. In the end, its the end users job to ensure they are safe.

I blame no one for sandy hook except the shooter and his mother. They knew full well he was imbalanced, taking mind altering drugs and had access to weapons. In my opinion, this was preventable both by him and his mother.

I also believe that it should have never been able to get as far as it did and would fully support any member of a school board capable and willing to carry a gun to do so. Sandy hook should have been stopped at the front door.

I worry

that my son who was diagnosed with ADHD and also suffers from anxiety, OCD tendencies, and other sensory issues, and is being treated through a combination of meds and counseling, will not be allowed to purchase a firearm for himself when he gets of age.

It is absolutely ridiculous to think that the state can deem him unfit to own a firearm. Nor is it up to the public, who can clearly be swayed far too easily by propaganda and various other biases, to determine who can and can't own a weapon.

What about "shall not be infringed" is unclear?

ALL people have the natural right to own weapons.

If we want to keep us (society) safe from the lone crazed gunmen, then it is our duty to have millions of trained and well-armed people (not agents of the state) concealed (or open) carrying in every public place including government buildings. That is the best protection against murderers and other criminals.

"shall not be infringed".

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Get your sons inner ears checked

Has your son ever had "tubes" in his ears?
Is he prone to ear infections?
Does he have balance related problems?
Does he have any phobias?
Does he have mild to severe dyslexia?

If any of the above are yes, get a copy of Harold Levinson's book "Phobia Free." You can find it for less than 2 bucks on Amazon under the "used" offerings with that title. In fact, from what you've described, I'd get the book anyway even if the answers to my questions were all no, if I were you.

Paul.