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How many here believe I am truly a murderer

due to my serving honorably in the military? A member, "DDucks" has stated quite unequivocally that he considers me as such. The following was a diatribe, or perhaps it should be called a monologue, they engaged in on a post that seemed to be baiting individuals such as I.
Submitted by dducks on Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:34. Permalink
Some false assumption you make: 1) You know what culture I was born in or that I adhere to. 2) That I respect any a fraction of the laws 38,000,000 laws we are forced to abide by. 3) That you know my age. 4) That I respect the military, or slums. 5) That I think this Country or its subjects are inherently great.
DDucks goes on to state…So since you lived in the slums and signed up to be a murderer for the collective you are more exceptional or have better arguments on immigration in a libertarian forum? Just to let you know, a true libertarian generally believes that all people should be able to do as they please without infringing on the life, liberty, or property of others.
If this is what members believe individuals such as I truly are then I'll just mosey off and find others who are a bit more receptive to my ideals and who don't have a bankrupt mentality as was demonstrated today. As bad as things are in this nation I'm not about to throw in the towel yet and yes I still believe this nation and it's citizens are inherently great. Check out the OP as well.
http://www.dailypaul.com/281025/seems-like-many-here-are-spl...

Edit.... This site is now approaching a critical mass where self destruction is imminent. To all you self righteous A holes who assumed I served in the Gulf or Afghanistan, I served in the 1970's and refused to join until Nixon was out of office. I served as a Nuclear Propulsion Engineer on, what is colloquially referred to as, a Boomer. Go under for six months and hope the world is still there when you surface. Ply your agendas here all you wish, I no longer have any sense of comradarie or trust with the type of individuals who have demonstrated their mentalities below. Nystrom, this place is in dire need of an enema. It is my most sincere hope that these clowns open their mouths and call the wrong one of us a murderer, but we know that that hope will never come true. God bless the keyboard for the inept.



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If you stop paying the interest....

"they" will stop lending the principle.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Then interest rates will soar and bankruptcy will again threaten

Six US bankruptcies

1871, 1913, 1939, 1971, 2001, 2008.

All the while Congress puts us ever deeper in debt, never paying a penny to principle.

The US has had a Department Treasury since the beginning. Never once in 220 years has it had any treasure.

Free includes debt-free!

Your comment lends nothing to

Your comment lends nothing to the conversation here. But via the following two questions, I can ensure that your next one does.

Do you pay taxes? Yes or no.

Do you agree with the assertion that those who do are complicit in the crimes of the state? Yes or no.

Jay

Yes
Yes
and I am a retired commissioned officer in the army after 27 yrs.

Do go on. Why do you continue

Do go on.

Why do you continue paying taxes, with the misguided understanding that this constitutes complicity in the crimes of the state?

Do you receive a pension? If so, why do you continue to accept it?

Indeed. But I didn't want to

Indeed. But I didn't want to complicate things too much for the person I was responding to; it was clear that facts are problematic to his/her simplistic worldview.

:-)

Really?

Nice little touch with the berating and denigrating.

Proof of your complicated train of thought and deep understanding of all things. Not a simplistic comment at all. Nice.

My apologies.My sarcasm is

My apologies.

My sarcasm is out of my control.

Like a military member's "service" and actions under a state authority.

Which means I'm not responsible, right?

That one's not aimed at you. I understand you're apparently contrite about your "service."

Your continued tax-paying in spite of your belief that it constitutes complicity in state crimes notwithstanding.

Brother

I feel your pain... people make mistakes. Life is full of them. Get used to it. You will make plenty more before you are done.

All we can do is learn from them. "Murderer?" Unless you're talking about a certain context I think that's a bit harsh.

Though I am not religious --

Though I am not religious -- quite far from it -- on matters of the military, Laurence Vance speaks for me.

If you haven't read him, OP, you should. Especially if you consider yourself religious.

Here's one to get you started, in the vein of your post, aptly titled "Hero or Murderer?" http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance321.html

All the best to you.

I spent 22 years in the military....

starting with LBJ and ending with George Bush. I was a communications and radar guy. I never personally killed anybody, but contributed to the killing, because was naive enough to believe I was on "the side of right," until George Bush, at least.

I am not ashamed of my military service, but I would not serve under the present scum. Personally, I have no problem with killing, because I distinguish between the taking of innocent life and of those who should be removed from the gene pool. Perhaps it is just as well I have never possessed the skills needed to be a successful killing machine; otherwise, there would be a very large number of elitists living today who would be no longer with us.

Hubris? I don't think so. About a year ago, now, my wife and I were returning from the store on our mobility scooters on the right side of the street when a truck stopped dead about 75 feet from us on the left side of the street and the driver jumped out and quickly began approaching us. I pulled my revolver (which he could not see because it was pitch black) and said, calmly, "That is close enough."
The driver identified himself as an off-duty fireman and said he had just seen an armadillo cross the street and wanted to make sure it did not attack us, as they carry leprosy, among other diseases. I thanked him, but did not holster my revolver. He got in his truck and drove away. Had he approached any closer, I would have emptied that revolver in him; yet, I sleep like a baby every night. Do I sound like a person who cares what anyone out here at THE DAILY PAUL thinks of me?

I grieve over some of the animals I have accidentally killed with my car; people, whatever their intentions, who are too stupid to heed fair warning deserve to be removed from the gene pool. Since I believe in eternal life, I figure they will get another chance to get it right.

I have to say

Bob I find it quite something that you haven't had one of those 72 hour checkups... or at least that we haven't heard of some kinda shootout between you and a bunch of white vans trying to take you in...

Glad you're still kicking ;-)

Whether you are enlisted or commisioned I salute you

and know full well about your feelings regarding road kills. I'm a fervent hunter yet last year I struck a deer on the way to work. I stopped and stayed with it for the last few minutes of it's life and actually shed a tear or two. I must admit that life does seem a bit more precious to me since my wife passed away but I do still hunt. My SN is from my dogs, Chesapeake Bay Retrievers.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

I'm so sorry

to hear that your wife passed. :(

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Whether you are a murderer or

Whether you are a murderer or not is between your own conscience and God.

Murder is spiritual, killing is carnal.

Did you uphold the ten commandments? Did you uphold the Constitution and responsibilities owed per it by your oath? If you followed an order that contradicted either, then you should be judged accordingly.
grant

Doesnt leave much room for

Doesnt leave much room for those who truelly repent....i mean honestly repent, to be ashamed of their actions, for they knew not what.......but thats their road they need to find and walk, its unlikely to be easy, as you cant forgive yourself, you have to somehow find it, dont pidgeon whole everyone, because they still hold a little of their old selves in the transition of repentness

a journey few make, i think, or at least, marginal, some might not need to, some might not care enough to do so.....and if it happens, its in their time frame, i dont think forcing it would work, not if you want a true enligthening

Repent means to change one's

Repent means to change one's ways. Of course a person has to accept the fact that they are a murderer in order to repent. The person who posted this question, as i understand them, appear to believe that they have done no wrong.
grant

Killing before taking the red

Killing before taking the red pill is not murder, only after.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Muhammed Ali said;

"I'll beat 'em up, but I don't wanna kill 'em." And the government said, "Well, if you won't kill 'em, we won't let you beat 'em up!"

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

I do

Our overseas aggression is unjustified, illegal by ALL standards and anyone who willing participated in it is guilty of murder. Man-up and admit it and work to stop the ongoing overseas killing.

Taxpayers who are threatened with violence if they refuse to pay taxes cannot be held accountable for the murders overseas. Claiming that they paid for it is not germane since they were coerced. Those who volunteered to participate in the illegal killing or the support of those doing the illegal killing are just as guilty as those pulling the triggers. Groups don't make decisions. Nations don't make decisions. Individuals make decisions and if you decided to volunteer to go and support the killing or to do the killing then you are a murderer.

You either knew or should have known that your participation was wrong so now you have to live out the rest of your years with your bad behavior on your conscience. I do wish you well and hope that you will become the most dedicated person on earth trying to stop the continued murders.

Good luck.

What have you done to stop

What have you done to stop them?? Based on that post, you should renounce your citizenship if you really feel that strongly. How dare you? I'd like to see you say those things to that mans face, but you never would because you are a coward behind your keyboard! Go fuck yourself

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

Based on that post, you

Based on that post, you should renounce your citizenship if you really feel that strongly.

How absurd. In essence, your argument is this: "I disagree with you! Therefore, you should leave the country!"

First, what is citizenship but a State monopoly on the location of birth?! That is to say, if you happen to be born within a territory which a gang of thieves called 'government' presumes is its own property, by virtue of violent enforcement, you are an indentured servant at birth, de facto!

Yeah, that sounds a lot like "freedom" to me! Congratulations on affirming this statist viewpoint by suggesting that anyone who doesn't adopt not even the rules, but the mere conventional military idolatry familiar to the statist culture, irrespective of its actual validity, should relinquish their (happenstance) citizenship.

Second, when you say "What have you done to stop them?" you presume that one has a responsibility for the actions of others. Again, a pretty statist viewpoint, wouldn't you agree? The beauty of liberty is that, as an individual, he should measure his own values and act accordingly. Whether his priorities include an activist role in persuading others of the inherent evil of military servitude is entirely a subjective matter that is personal to mbennett alone, and we should be grateful for his ability both to pursue individual prerogatives as well as opine on those which may or may not be among them.

Which brings me to the third point. You say: I'd like to see you say those things to that mans face, but you never would because you are a coward behind your keyboard! But a comment in this vein shuns the very value of the internet that has propelled the liberty movement to where it is today. Cowardice has nothing to do with it; we all know damn well that the internet is conducive to a style of communication that interpersonal communication, in real life, is not.

It is more blunt. It is less forgiving. It is unabashed.

It is, in essence, unfiltered. And that is why it is phucking awesome! Where else can you get this honesty? As sure as sh!t you will not get it in real life, and that is the point! That is why we FIGHT for internet anonymity and for the 4th amendment! That's why we fight against legislation that aims at putting a spotlight on internet communications.

The value of this type of openness is self-evident, and we should all be grateful for it. Whether or not one would say these things in real life is not only COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the points being made in this discussion, but is also EXACTLY THE BENEFIT of this forum!

So, if I may speak bluntly, and anonymously behind my keyboard, please STFU until you have a better grasp on the anti-liberty implications of your words.

Duly noted

Trust me I'm no flag waving unthinking freak, just something about judging this man without walking a mile in his shoes seems very wrong to me. I believe joining the military is an honorable thing, I believe we do in fact need a military. The situations the psychopaths in power put you in once you've joined - one has no control over that. I also believe that some posters calling him out on here wouldn't last one day in the military. No, I am not a veteran in case you were wondering.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

10-4, Good Buddy!

'Merica

Love it or leave it, these colors don't run.

Crying eagles, freedom fries, apple pie!

Gawbless 'Merica!


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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Yeah you're ripping on me but

Yeah you're ripping on me but I got to say that 2nd pic was a great choice lol. Classic.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

I'm afraid

individuals capable of any type of real action are wasting their time here with a gang of wanna be's most of whom have never lived out side of their parents basements much less dealt with the things some of us have.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Somebody needs to...

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

You

are a presumptuous fool, read my edit.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

When I was

When I was in engineering school the US navy kept hounding me to join its submarine corp and attend school in eastern Idaho. Because I had good parents who taught me that it was wrong to steal (taxation) and wrong to murder (US military) I did not respond to the US navy's offers.

It is regrettable that your parents did not instill in you a sense of right and wrong.

Engaging in name-calling only reinforces my notion that you did not choose your parents well.

Please do some soul-searching. There may be something good in you that you never knew was there.

Good luck.