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Law enforcement officers across the country are experiencing a growing number of contacts with Sovereign Citizens — individuals and groups who possess a strong anti-government ideology.

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Accurate communication?

"Law enforcement officers across the country are experiencing a growing number of contacts with Sovereign Citizens — individuals and groups who possess a strong anti-government ideology."

I once knew a person named Billy Foust, he was my friend.

Here can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxfk3At0nZY

Some people can claim that there are 2 sides to every story.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/092091-2011-06-20-wil...

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/sovereign_...

There are people, on the other hand, who understand the concept of due process, and so that may be worth the effort to understand too.

Case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-zHrNPfkQ

There are those who claim (falsely) that people who support the rule of law, due process, and due process that is due everyone except those who except themselves as those exceptions volunteer to be criminals (with or without false authority and false badges), are anti-government.

Think about that please.

Who falsely claims that a person who supports the rule of law, and due process, is anti-government?

Why would someone falsely claim such a false claim?

There is a very good historical precedent for such false claims made by such good liars.

Alexander Hamilton, for example, was a closet Monarchist, which is a closet Dictator, and that liar claimed to be a Federalist, in support of Federalism, and that liar claimed that those who did not support his form of false Federalism was an Anti-Federalist.

Here is an example of an supposed Anti-Federalist, who by the same false reasoning may be called someone who is anti-government.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/elliot/vol3/...

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Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers that it is a national government, and no longer a Confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the general government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes does, of itself, entirely change the confederation of the states into one consolidated government. This power, being at discretion, unconfined, and without any kind of control, must carry every thing before it. The very idea of converting what was formerly a confederation to a consolidated government, is totally subversive of every principle which has hitherto governed us. This power is calculated to annihilate totally the state governments. Will the people of this great community submit to be individually taxed by two different and distinct powers? Will they suffer themselves to be doubly harassed? These two concurrent powers cannot exist long together; the one will destroy the other: the general government being paramount to, and in every respect more powerful than the state governments, the latter must give way to the former. Is it to be supposed that one national government will suit so extensive a country, embracing so many climates, and containing inhabitants so very different in manners, habits, and customs? It is ascertained, by history, that there never was a government over a very extensive country without destroying the liberties of the people: history also, supported by the opinions of the best writers, shows us that monarchy may suit a large territory, and despotic governments ever so extensive a country, but that popular governments can only exist in small territories. Is there a single example, on the face of the earth, to support a contrary opinion? Where is there one exception to this general rule? Was there ever an instance of a general national government extending over so extensive a country, abounding in such a variety of climates, &c., where the people retained their liberty? I solemnly declare that no man is a greater friend to a firm union of the American states than I am; but, sir, if this great end can be obtained without hazarding the rights of the people, why should we recur to such dangerous principles? Requisitions have been often refused, sometimes from an impossibility of complying with them; often from that great variety of circumstances which retards the collection of moneys; and perhaps sometimes from a wilful design of procrastinating. But why shall we give up to the national government this power, so dangerous in its nature, and for which its members will not have sufficient information? Is it not well known that what would be a proper tax in one state would be grievous in another? The gentleman who hath favored us with a eulogium in favor of this system, must, after all the encomiums he has been pleased to bestow upon it, acknowledge that our federal representatives must be unacquainted with the situation of their constituents. Sixty-five members cannot possibly know the situation and circumstances of all the inhabitants of this immense continent. When a certain sum comes to be taxed, and the mode of levying to be fixed, they will lay the tax on that article which will be most productive and easiest in the collection, without consulting the real circumstances or convenience of a country, with which, in fact, they cannot be sufficiently acquainted.
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Beware of well paid liars, they are targeting you because you have something worth stealing.

Joe

yea...

some feller's get real antsy when they see them goshdurn DHS Urban Assault vehicles with the micowave laser gun...all 27 thousand of 'em.

And those dadburn two billion rounds of ammo buyin goin on whilst at the same time going for a gungrab.

Maybe we should just change

Maybe we should just change the terminology to "Common Law Citizens"?

That doesn't make any sense either

A Citizen is a contractually created legal capacity for a government employee who is regulated by the contractual terms of the Constitution and all applicable regulatory codes and statutes. Men and Women who are not actively in any contractual capacity are full liability under Divine and Natural Common Law.

We are full liability men and women. We accept liability for our accusations against another because we do not hide behind veils of limited liability capacities. A real man or woman with integrity is willing to accept full liability for every action they make including civil or criminal accusations against another. According to the Golden Rule of Divine Law Do unto others as you would have others do unto you means that if you are willing to accept liability for all your actions then by Law you expect the same in return. Anything else could constitute a Breach of your Peace and subject to remedy in law.

This is our protection in Divine law. How are they going to twist the meaning 'Full Liability Man'?

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

"Sovereign Citizen" is a great example of Brainwashing

Notice how the "law enforcement" have "leaders" who "train" them on "Sovereign Citizens" and how these SCs are "terrorists".

Why is this so hard for the cops to figure out that they are being trained to carry out a criminal cartel's political agenda that it is the "government's" job to "control" people?

Why is it so hard for the cops to figure out that they are being trained by corrupt men who are intentionally brainwashing them that they must control other people?

Maybe it is because the one's who can't understand this are actually psychopathic tyrannical control freak barbarians who have mens rea to exert unlawful violent authority over another without any allegations of actual injury by anyone, which is also known as a CRIMINAL.

How long is it going to take them to figure out how stupid they look even calling someone a "Sovereign Citizen"? How long is it going to take for them to figure out that this is an ADL/SPLC created term with associated false information that got picked up by some stupid criminals who attempted to use the false information to scam people and then gave ADL/SPLC their poster child of violence used to brainwash "law enforcement"?

To all the men and women who claim to be "law enforcement officers" out there, I can prove to you in one second that every single one of you are committing Breach of Duty to your Constitutional Oath every day you go to work:

Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution
"
No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts
"
You are being paid in a private corporation's unlawful debt note tender that is mathematically guaranteed to fail and guaranteed to extract all natural wealth from everyone. If you are enforcing the law then why are you not working within the bounds of your voluntarily accepted contract with We the People? Why are you using violent force and extortion to force people to use this unlawful tender? Why don't you charge yourselves with the crimes you are committing? This is because you are insane criminals who do not have any idea what Law is. You only know how to be trained by other corrupt men. You have no integrity to do what you said you were going to do. You are in Common Law Breach of Duty. You are committing felony extortion, you terrorize the population with repeated violent acts against innocent people, you criminally "charge" others with no identifiable liability of anyone and without you accepting liability for your own actions, many of you commit violent warfare and theft against innocent people in the name of the war on drugs (this is treason), assault and battery, rape, murder, and MANY other crimes all in the name of "law enforcement".

I have tried (and will continue to do so) to bring those of you corrupt and criminal men claiming to be "law enforcement" who have harmed me before a Jury for them to review the facts but the "courts" obstruct justice. In fact when one looks deeper into even codes and statutes I have identified many felonies that most "law enforcement" and ALL "courts" commit every single day. To Law enforcement who believe this sovereign citizen brainwashing crap being used to justify your continued tyranny and crime over the people, you are idiots who do not have the intellectual aptitude to perform any law enforcement at all. How many of the identifiable crimes you are committing need to be pointed out to you before you realize that other corrupt men have brainwashed you into committing criminal acts against innocent people to protect their systemic fraud, extortion, terrorism and warfare against innocent people all over the world.

You are suppose to be responding as a representative agent of one of We the People who is making accusations against another and requesting review for remedy before a jury. Liability is a hot potato, if someone is not identified as the owner of the liability for your requested service then you are acting under color of law and in Breach of Duty. Don't you remember one has the right to face their accuser? That Government derive just powers (powers of Justice) from the consent of the governed not the government? That We the People created the capacity of the US Citizen (an employee of Government) that You voluntarily contracted to be bounded by?

You claim to be under capacity but you do not bind yourselves within the limitations of the capacity. Then you claim that people who are being harmed by your actions and seek remedy are terrorists and now the "government" claims it can assassinate terrorists on the word of one man without any review by a Jury. This targeted political assassination is the final nail in your long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism.

What in the hell is your major malfunction??? Committing crime is not law enforcement you dumbass control freak terrorists.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

We're having an impact? Whoa.

I believe this is where we may have the greatest division, because O'm not a soverign citizen.. I looked into it, found it way too radical for me. I think it's too radical for most http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

The "sovereignty" they are looking for.

From my understanding there is no such thing as a "sovereign citizen." At least not as long as one remains a US citizen. There are many other threads on the DP which delve into this subject in great depth so I won't go into it here. But I will say that only as a National of the State in which you were born, instead of that of US citizen, will anyone find the "sovereignty" they are looking for.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

First rule of marathon. Don't look back until you break the tape

This is but the first lap of a 20 lap (year) race.

Free includes debt-free!

You know what, its not about

You know what, its not about winning for me anymore, feels to much like their term anyway........feels more like embracing the natural progress of things

Everything around us has changed drastically from our humble beginings, the one exception is us, our outlook on life,

No doubt the same fight we fight has been fought countless times, or at least i suspect it so, in one shape or form, except, back then, we didnt have devices capable of leveling large areas

In the advent of such weapons, i think alot of people are realising, the cats out of the bag, you cant shove him back in, unless you are willing to become a tyrant and use any means necassary, which leaves us with the most difficult but honest, and i'd argue, natural, alternative

the begining of a voluntary global idealogical change

Still havent figured out if governments could help, or if it would be a hindrance.........i guess it depends on who's behind the wheel

Musing

Figures it's a Zionist Jew writing the piece.

Detective's Notebook
with Moe Greenberg
Figures it's a Zionist Jew writing the piece.

Sovereign = So Over the Reins, as in the reins of a horse.

All citizens are sovereign. The public servants need to be put in their place and have their attitudes adjusted.

Look, if our government employees feel that they are above their citizen employers, those officers should be made to identify themselves and lets just have a small political war with them. Perhaps we can make those officers who feel they don't have to obey their Oath wear a specific color arm band so their employers, the citizens can identify them more easily, to apply the attitude adjustment more efficently.

It would be interesting to

It would be interesting to know: if US Born individual renounces his citizenship, how can he continue living on US terrain.

Now, is there a way to coexist for Sovereign Citizens and USA on the same land without severely limiting your own freedoms, such as driving, working and owning land/house....

Engage in Secure Exchange

It's done by correcting your nationality

It's done by correcting your nationality to that of the State in which you were born (Rode island, for example) and not just "renouncing" your US citizenship. Before anyone renounces citizenship they should have attained the status of some other nationality or else they become "Stateless Persons." A Stateless Person is a legitimate status, but a precarious one. For one would then be without the protection of any form of law and be subject to any authority, legitimate or not, which may assert its elf against them.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

so they call frauds sovereign citizens now? the audacity!

sounds like fraud. since when does that mean showing citizens authority of one's rights should be considered a hate group.

I don't know anything about this sovereign citizen group but it sounds like it is a great patsy group to project the states concerns about libertarianism onto the populace.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

This is troubling.

From reading the comments on the article, it looks like the law enforcement officers have an attitude of offical oppression and full blown discrimination on these groups of individuals. These officials are just escalating the situation.

And wtf is a "paper terrorist"?

Most of the comments on that site's articles are atrocious

to say the least. It's a real "us vs them" mentality. I understand where they're coming from(officer safety), but can never agree with it. There are always more than one way to handle a situation. And it seems that the art of diffusing a situation has been lost on many of these so-called "public-servants"(a word I use lightly to describe them).

They automatically assume a Soverign Citizen is violent.

That's not a good impact. At least they might learn the constitution.

What I meant by impact was that people are waking up

"Law enforcement officers across the country are experiencing a growing number of contacts with Sovereign Citizens — individuals and groups who possess a strong anti-government ideology."

This was unheard of except for those very rare occasions before. More people are standing up for their rights, and just as important, recording their interactions. How is this not good news?