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Define: Tolerance

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tol·er·ance
/ˈtälərəns/
Noun
The ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with: "religious tolerance"

The biggest division I have witnessed since the election is the utter lack of tolerance here at the DP. Our Constitution was written to restrain the government and protect individual Liberty.

In order to keep ourselves united may I suggest a healthy dose of tolerance to those we disagree with? Be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic.. can we put aside those differences and unite under the banner of Liberty? Is it possible?

The social issues are what tears us apart and I keep banging my head against a wall because of it. Define tolerance!! What is it?? Can you accept the fact you live in a country that protects your religious freedom and still protects those you disagree with?

I love this community and I love the philosophy of Liberty. In my time here I have not witnessed a thread dealing with the issue of tolerance in correlation with our Constitution and Rights.

We can bridge our divides and unite ourselves if we understand the definition of tolerance. If we are to win, we must be united. The philosophy of Liberty brought us here and lets make sure that it is not squandered over personal beliefs. A common understanding of Liberty can unite all of us, from every religion, color and background. Liberty shines like the eyes of Justice. It may be blindfolded but it does not need to see a thing to understand its philosophy.

The greatest gift ever given to humanity was our Constitution. We had a brief moment in time where our leaders believed in their cause. Washington was man enough not to seize power.. and leader enough to make sure a government was in place before he left. The effects of our Constitution freed the oppressed, freed slaves, freed women and children, freed minorities and created the most amazing country ever known to mankind. The greatest minds that signed on understood the value of tolerance. America has led the world because of our rights and proven system of wealth for the lowest denominator. Dave Thomas was an orphaned illiterate that proved how great America is. A hamburger flipper that could not read or write made millions because of our system of govt.

What is tolerance and what does it mean to our movement?



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If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Good article by Anthony Gregory

"Tolerance, Acceptance, and Civility"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory115.html

INtolerence Is

not ever having been tested FIRST HAND by the issues that you are intolerant of. I KNOW. I too was opinionated and judgemental until life showed me different. Those of you that KNOW right from wrong have never been tested or having been tested didn't learn anything. Life can throw funny curves at us. You either learn from them or you act like a goat and constantly butt your head at life. You constantly say, BUT this BUT that. Whatever.

skippy

Join or Die

We must indeed at best learn to jettison our ill-begotten affections for our "People Group" labels, or at a minimum be willing to relegate them to a second tier, in favor of embracing Liberty for ourselves and our fellow man.

The words "Join or Die" seem applicable here, just as in the crisis to wit gave birth to the American Republic.

WGRR DB - rEVOLutionary talk for revolutionary times. Listen LIVE!

"Tolerate

my intolerance."

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"The world has never known more oppressive governments or bigger governments than those which profess the cult of liberty." - Donald Sanborn

Some days here feel like my ex-mother-in-law came back to life..

Everything said or done was to her disliking, even to the point of disagreeing which way a toilet paper roll should be positioned in my own home.

Sad case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

What Tolerance Isn't

"X is true, we're all in danger!"

"Actually, current impartial research has shown that X is perfectly safe."

"Of course it isn't safe! You're just some kind of shill for the X industry! Just read [online expert]'s blog and you'll learn the truth! Follow the money!"

"I've read it, and [online expert] is very misinformed about several important things. None the current research agrees with their claims."

"You're being closed-minded and intolerant of my views!"

Too much of this on the DP lately.

My take on tolerance

For unity to exist, tolerance is a minimum requirement, but it's hardly the ideal. Genuine respect and brotherly love is the ideal.

At one point in my life, my children and I needed to live with my mother-in-law and sister-in-law for a season. We had completely different lifestyles. My mother-in-law was very respectful and did her best to show her love for us, but toward the end I could hardly stand to stay in that house because, even though I hardly had any real contact with my sister-in-law, I felt tolerated by her as opposed to loved. We were very different people, so it's actually kinda impressive that we didn't clash more (she was relatively quite tolerant and patient with me), but this was the first time I understood the real difference between tolerance and love.

Tolerance is no ideal when it comes to human relationships. It's putting up with something that either causes pain or which one dislikes. Tolerance can tide us over for a while, such as with strangers, but for any long-term relationship to work, genuine respect and love are needed.

So when people here on the DP are spiteful one with another, it's because their tolerance has run thin without being replaced by respect or brotherly love or appreciation.

For example, I'm a follower of Christ, but I respect and feel a love and appreciation for those who don't believe as I do. I know that they had different life experiences than I had, and I appreciate that they can reach a different set of people than I can. So when I read a post by someone and I don't agree with their worldview, instead of rolling my eyes at their foolishness and decide to tolerate their idiocy for the sake of unity, I acknowledge their right as a human being to have their own opinions, I try to learn from them (if only so I can better understand someone outside of my life experience), and I appreciate that they can talk better with others of similar mindset than I can. They are comrades.

I'm hardly perfect in my own attempts to be loving and respectful, but I do try ^_^;

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

To Endure

I have a slightly different definition. To tolerate is to endure someone else's lack of civility. It is also a measure of ones ability to endure pain.

What I believe we are seeing today is that our ability to suffer evil, while evils are sufferable, is quite diminished. Oddly enough this natural intolerance is being directed at each other rather than the ones who are causing by far most of the evil, our Gov't Officials.

It is not Our Gov't, it is those who hold positions in Our Gov't that our intolerance needs to be directed at. Now as a card carrying Libertarian, I myself have taken an oath to not initiate Force to achieve political or social ends, but it does not mean that I don't reserve the Right to respond with Force when Force is being used against me, my property, or my loved ones.

While Liberty Lovers, Libertarians and Leaners, may disagree on which Liberties we most value, I think most of us agree that as long as others are not using Force to achieve their goals, Tolerance is a Virtue. When we tolerate Force to achieve Political and Social ends, Tolerance takes on a more Masochistic meaning.

I do not believe the Constitution is the Greatest gift to Humanity, in the same context it is the Declaration of Independence. It is the recognition that Humans will put up with a great deal, but when push comes to shove Love for oneself, family, friends, and community trumps tolerance.

I just want to thank..

everybody for the wonderful debate of ideas.

I posted this thread to help clarify our 'shared' philosophy and deeply appreciate everyone who contributed to it.

The better we understand ourselves and the philosophy we live by, the better we can spread our message.

Thank you!

:)

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Is this an example of "Tolerance"?

Submitted by P. Nicholson: http://www.dailypaul.com/269401/im-out

I guess "simpleton retards" might not understand.

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hahaha

That post is hilarious. Rants like that crack me up :)

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

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nope..

sure aint..

But Alex Jones can still eat a huge bag of D's. My frustration was on full display and I was pretty pissed off at Alex Jones going on national television and acting like a complete nut case.

Now that you have drudged up some shit from the past.. Care to contribute anything else?

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

nope, nothing to contribute

but that always stuck in my mind that you called "truthers", not just Alex Jones, "Simpleton Retards" and this gem " FUCK ALEX JONES AND THE TRUTHERS. FUCK YOU WORTHLESS MOTHERFUCKERS. FUCK YOU. I HOPE YOU PIECE OF SHIT PARANOID FUCKWADS DIE WITH TIN FOIL STRAPPED TO YOUR CHILDRENS TEETH.", and now posting tolerance threads? Why can't we all get along? That post was about as intolerant as it gets. Truthers (probably) hold about 80% or more of your same views. Why alienate? Why be so intolerant?
As somebody (myself) that does believe there needs to be some truth in regards to 9/11, seeing this post, and rememberinig the other post just irritated me.Thats all...probably just early morning grouchiness on my part. Oh, and it was just January when you posted that "old sh!t".

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tattooers..

are always really opinionated assholes.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

in nearly 6 years im judged by one thread..?

Its cool. I take responsiblity for it. I was pissed. Extremely pissed.

Having been thru my share of crap from truthers and the ignorant chit from AJ I finally lost my cool. Representatives of our Liberty movement should have enough respect to act like a rational human being on national television. AJ literally gave ammunition to our opponents.

Maybe I learned from it.. maybe I didn't.

Take my words like a grain of salt.

:)

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

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Well I am a Truther...

...But I can promise you I wouldn't take you through any crap.

I just like many people in the 9-11 Truth movement, just want a real independent investigation that is not a whitewash...and want justice for all of the lives lost that day, the sick and dying first responders and ground-zero workers, and the many of our troops that have been killed since that day.

I am a reasonable guy. And I, like many in the Truth Movement, understand it is a deep moral obligation (and patriotic dusty) to get to the truth of the worst mass murder event in American history.

I appreciate your forum here because tolerance is one of the finest virtues in the great experiment of freedom called the USA.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Awesome!!

You are a rare breed. Because in 2007 while I was head of a meetup group, truthers scared the living shit out of the blue hairs that showed up at our meetings. We had to kick a few out for being so disruptive.

I also witnessed attacks on anyone that questioned them.. and also saw that movement destroy any chance Ron had in 07. While I question the 9/11 attacks, Im also respectful enough to tone down my language and not offend people. Truthers do not represent me.

I posted ONE thread that was the final straw on my back. I have contributed to the DailyPaul with nothing but my sincerest beliefs since I became a member. I left RonPaulForums because of the conspiracy/truthers.

Not to be dick.. but I did start this thread there:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?32204-Boston-Tea...

I spent thousands of dollars and hours to support Ron in 07. I showed the truther movement plenty of patience and tolerance. When a spokesman for our movement cannot control himself on national television it really pisses me off because now I have to defend his behavior instead of saying 'Yea, you saw it too? Pretty good argument for the defense of Liberty huh?' People are either assets or liabilities and AJ proved it in spades.

In other words.. What good did AJ do for us in his behavior? Larry Pratt knows how to control himself and continually destroys media fools. Why the fck cant AJ wake the fck up and do it too???

If we want to win we sure as hell better understand our message. We better have representatives that can eloquently share our views. The last thing we need is a liability that gives ammo to our opposition while we are still a minority.

I apologize for pissing the DP off. Sincerely.

Much like Rand at Howard U.. at least I was honest.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

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You are a good man.

You were doing this in 07 light years before I was awoken. Thank you for your efforts.

Much has transpired since then.

Mostly the reality that many people have died because of that day. The numbers are astounding...and should give pause to anyone, anywhere....denigrating "truthers."

When you get into the hundreds of thousands dead and many more injured and dying or lost limbs...there comes a point where you have to draw a line.

Lets look at the numbers:

9/11 = 3,000 people died on that day.
6,000 American troops killed because of that day.
200,000 Iraqis and Afghanis killed (many of them innocent)

10,000 of Ground Zero workers and first responders either sick or dying
50,000 of our troops injured, maimed, or lost limbs.

Total number of casualties because of 9/11: 269,000 souls (that is a VERY conservative estimate)

The TRUTH will win out.

Regardless,
Friends,

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

This Is Sad

Here P Nicholson writes a great post about tolerance and some folks here end up in very INTOLERANT rants to each other over what tolerance is and abortion, gays and religion. Humans suck!

skippy

Tolerence is simply a choice.

You can choose to ignore certain things about people, or make an issue of them. Some things will be more tolerable than others depending on the individual.

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One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Thank you SO MUCH for writing this

"If we are to win, we must be united."

That's EXACTLY it! Division is what will ultimately do us in, be it from within, or due to outside influences. We're supposed to question EVERYTHING are we not?

Whenever we see posts starting to get "heated", it would be wise to ask ourselves what the true ulterior motives may be. The reason may very well be simply to distract us. It's a method commonly used, and one that many fall for.

Excellent post P. Nicholson!

A machined part made to

A machined part made to +.0001/-.0001 costs ten times as much to make compared to a machined part made to +.005/-.005 in inches. Less tolerance costs more money.

Tolerance

Is when the Mormons or the JW's or Acorn or whoever, show up at my door and instead of chasing them down the street with a broom handle I invite them in for lemonade and see if we can't find some common ground between us.

Tolerance does not require my endorsement of an idealogy or practice that I strongly disagree with, but my awareness and acknowledgment that the world is a great big place with plenty of room for all manner of divergent points of view.

Dear Lord, before I heard Ron Paul speak many many moons ago I was a bleeding heart liberal agnostic with a warmongering streak a mile wide, how is that even possible? Everybody changes, sometimes people even grow.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Well said my friend.

And might I add that when we disagree with what is deemed 'politically correct' (oh, that term just gets me) we should be treated with the same tolerance we graciously exhibit.

But it seems when you go against the mainstream, your 'differences' are seen as hateful and certainly not well tolerated.

I think that's called a double-standard.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

"Everybody changes, sometimes people even grow."

And some would even argue that's part of the purpose of life. May we never stop learning and growing!

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P. Nicholson

1.a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

I like the last 3 words. FREEDOM from bigotry. The ability to be tolerant brings with it a certain kind of mental freedom.

Also, if it's not hurting you... then, in my opinion there is no reason for anything other than tolerance.

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Tolerance is the substrate of Liberty

Without it, Liberty cannot grow.

Love is what makes tolerance possible.

Without Love, there is no Liberty.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts