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John Stossel goes after Glenn Beck for claiming to be libertarian

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I listen occassionally

I listen occassionally (very occassionally) to Beck's show and I am frequently surprised at how much more "libertarian" his message is becoming.

Is Beck a "libertarian?" I don't really know... none of us do.

But if he does lead some of his listeners to *actually* wake up, like I once did, that's not a bad thing.

I have to note this

Most, I am comfy saying most, of the people on his message boards for his websites are the furthest thing I have ever seen from Libertarian minded people. I used to post at TheBlaze.com a little bit, but his followers and subscribers attack the hell out of anyone that is against foreign interventionism, non obstructionist about gay marriage, or seek personal freedom that hasn't been specifically granted in the Bible.

During the election season, the very reason Beck tore the living s hit out of Ron Paul was over the very fact that Ron was against all of the foreign interventionism that the government and Beck like to call "defending democracy" and other such BS definitions. Beck acolytes then went on to tear on Ron for everything. Becktards were happy to take up the "Progressive" mantra of saying 'racist, racist racist' AND MOST of those who follow and subscribe to Beck love our drug war.

So Glenn, you are coming into the house of the L's claiming to be one and you're not. You may have a few leanings this way, but it would be a good thing to bring your posse to the party because they have NO clue what you're talking about, this is a fact if you go read your own website's comments. I would specifically like you to get a historical read of an in particular poster you have called "Time to End The Ron Paul Campaign 2012", he is a perfect example of your base of subscribers.

Lastly, I would say there are some good reasons that you get rejected by the Liberty Movement. One, look at your indignant tone when you mention how many of us call you out as not ready or the L label. It's almost a pitchy whine and no one likes that and it usually denotes someone begging for something they want and others are not ready to bestow upon them. 2nd, your stance on foreign intervention needs to 180. Let the Middle East take care of itself. We didn't need to help Israel in the 6 day war and we don't need to help them now. Enough policing the world. Spreading American 'freedom' around the world is not democracy in action, it's Imperialism, period. We may have to fight some of these countries someday, but we don't need to continually start it all the time.

There are some main staples of being an L that must be attained before I will give you a hug for calling yourself one.

With all of that said, I do welcome Beck to continue striving towards Libertarianism. At least he is getting closer.

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This is a positive step for liberty

"We" don't own the idea of liberty. Even if he is totally faking it, it is a step toward moving people toward truth and we should welcome every victory and chance to secure more of the same. So he may not have changed his spots. SO WHAT? He will move others, even if only for a while. Obviously we are the winning bandwagon, as it should be.It's like sports fans who object when people start supporting their team only when they win. But this is a bit more important. Recognize a victory when you see it. It doesn't mean he is now MY leader.

Beck...

Is a money maker. He says whatever he believes will grow his audience. I was a fan of Beck around 2010ish before I knew any better. During that time (before the election shenanigans started kicking in) he always referred to himself as "Libertarian". He seemed "much more radical (from a mainstream perspective)". He used to always talk down the Federal Reserve and made a big deal about it (I agree it is a big deal).

Regardless, once the elections started he went back to Good Boy Beck. Started his holy crusade of "we must save Israel because arbitrary lines drawn in the sand by humans are important!".

All in all, I would never take him seriously again. Who cares if he is "legitimate". He has a lot to do to prove himself truly legitimate. Until then, he is full of crap in my book.

If the guy is true, then he

If the guy is true, then he needs to prove himself, either many times, or just the one big one, guess what you need for that glen, time.....unless offcourse you pull the big one, if not, and time is of an issue, tough.......some liberty folk wont trust words, but action, ESPECIALLY, considering your past judgements, whats to say it wont happen again, and guess what you need in order to show us your non bad decissions, thats right glen, time.....but if you make one thats particularly bad, after the fact, dont bother coming back, do what you will, but youll have no support from me, if you win it, and lose it

The only thing im willing to give you right now beck, if your genuine, is time......and not much else

disclaimer: literal time.....not going out of my way to listen to you "time".....no, for that, you have to make a splash worthy of liberty,

I REALLLLLY dont trust you, but if there is even a slight chance of liberty in your heart, true liberty, then regardless of person, i will be open minded, untill given reason otherwise

Anyone can support liberty, but liberty folk tend to choose their "public" "champions" carefully, it aint easy, and so it should be

Disclaimer: If your genuine. Have i told you yet, I REAAALLY dont trust you

When I picture Glenn Beck

rounding up his audience, I remember how my landlord said he used to live near a chicken-processing plant. Individual chickens were so worthless that escapees weren't chased down. New escapees found him before they ever made it to the woods. They'd escaped one fate, only to run into the same one.

Defend Liberty!

I'm a little confused here...

On foreign aid, Beck says he doesn't support it... I thought he was a HUGE supporter of Israel... Israel is a foreign entity from the US. Do we not give bundles of money to Israel? I'd say he's being a hypocrite there. Talk about a flip=flop...I think he's pandering for viewership.

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Not sure how I missed this

but so glad I saw it.

Great to see him on the defense about this.

First step to recovery is

First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. I think Glen realizes it.

If ignorance is bliss, Washington DC must be heaven.

Great advice

to libertarians of the fundamentalist variety from Beck that if you are more interested in being righteous and pure, thus putting yourselves on an ideological pedestal, you are damaging the movement.

that felt a little creepy

idk,I guess more libertarianism is a good thing even if it's Glen as long as he doesn't try to twist the philosophy he can push it all he wants. It's hard to say whether he is genuine or not, he's not a dumb guy surly he sees that the country has been in a nosedive for decades. If he is genuine, he should stick to "being libertarian" and stop acting for acceptance because he comes off as being disingenuous.

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

That was weird

Who cares?

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

What a freakin phony!

Beck sounds so disingenuous, what a freakin phony!

Besides, if he admits to being wrong about so many things and argued against what he now agrees with, why would anyone want him in the front speaking from a position of influence? He should be in the back with his mouth shut and ears open.

Thank you!

Glenn Beck should stfu and listen to Ron Paul, for a change. What a CIA controlled mouthpiece.

Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.
C. S. Lewis

another trick to co-opt

TPTB know the Libertarianism is growing, so they put up their own manipulator up faking to be a Libertarian, so that the uninformed people will huddle besides him and when the time comes he will put his weight around someone the establishment chooses - either another fake Libertarian or a real Libertarian, so as to move away votes from a really dangerous candidate like Rand.
nothing new.

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

Stossel is the real deal though

I've never seen Stossel do anything that I didn't find to be fully in line with libertarianism. I guess his worst 'offense' is supporting any existence of government whatsoever. Beyond that he's top notch and a great advocate for liberty in the mainstream media. To me it doesn't seem like he gets enough credit considering that he's the only person now who has an actual tv show that promotes libertarianism. Yet I don't see too many Ron Paul type libertarians talk about him that much.

If that is the case, why

If that is the case, why sin't everyone just calling themselves libertarian, and co-opting this huge movement? You do know your argument makes no sense.

Why isn't all the corporations, politicians and news reporters trying to support libertarians, if you think it's a growing movement that they are trying to co-opt? Explain that to me. Why didn't Beck and others try to jump on Ron Paul?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

no sense ?

maybe i didnt explain properly or u didnt understand properly, thats why it made no sense.
let me try again.
Ron Paul has certainly made many Libertarian principles more popular and people are turning to it. but as far as the voting or polls would show, this movement though huge, would still not be in the majority.
if it were RP or the Libertarian party would win the Presidency.
so there is no need for ALL politicians, anchors, corporations to jump on this. there just needs to be a few outlets which can support these things and try to get a following.
then when the time comes, they will try to put down any real Libertarian and instead give an alternative - their Libertarian who in fact would be someone like Rubio or anyone else, who would be an establishment hack.
is that clearer ?
why they won't jump on the RP bandwagon ? well, because RP was a threat to the system.
their goal is to keep sounding libertarian and bring people in, but when the time comes support only those who propose no real change.

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

Hmm

I consider myself hardcore, but I am willing to give the guy a chance. He sounds sincere. I will not be disappointed, however, should this all be some kind of co-option ruse.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

What is it he would be

What is it he would be co-opting? Why would he waste his time? If there is so much to gain, then Hannity, O'Reilly etc should all call themselves libertarians, but we know they don't. The reason why is because Beck is probably changing his mind and being sincere. Even if he isn't, him talking about it, helps... period!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

like I said

He seems sincere. Let's have a conversation with him.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

We should welcome Beck with

We should welcome Beck with open arms but keep pushing him in our direction. I remember when I first got the "liberty bug" when I saw Ron Paul at the first Republican debate in 2007. But I also remember what my views were BEFORE I saw him. I was hoping it would be a McCain/Giuliani ticket!! Looking back on it I can't believe how out to lunch I was! But it's what I used to think before I "woke up".
All we do all day is rant and rave about how we need to "wake-up" people in America and around the world... Well... we've woken up Glen Beck, and what do we do?? We push him away. What are we retarded??? Come on guys!!!! This is our chance to have a really big name media personality on our side! What are you upset about? We've all changed our views in the past!!! Maybe those who are already "awake" and are pissed at Beck need to take a pill.

You are missing a big part of the equation.

Beck has shown dozens of times that he is a trained propagandist for the statists/fascists, a liar and deceiver, a gatekeeper who is very skilled at controlling thought.

You are playing an emotional card for some reason and using a baby with the bath water fallacy. Most of us welcome any former statist/neocon. But, we that are rejecting Beck are doing so based on very rational reasons, experience, and we recognize the techniques he uses. I recognize his goals fairly quickly, much like when I analyzed Limbaugh many years ago and deciphered his propaganda style. You are free to be an apologist and give him a chance. I'll jump ahead a couple years and just say "We told you so, sucker."

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Notice how

"he who shall not be mentionned" well, wasn't mentioned? He would have tied himself in a knot trying to explain his demagoguery, distortions and lies towards Ron Paul.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

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Glen Beck has a big audience,

Glen Beck has a big audience, and it is very nice that he is willing to talk more about liberty. This is a learning process. No one turns out right about everything the first day after becoming libertarian. I truly believe that Glen is honest about his journey, and willing to learn. I respect that. People need to stop arguing about if he is true libertarian. John Stossel did a great job during the interview by letting Glen to speak for himself. Accept him, and help him to learn.

Problem is, Beck has proven

Problem is, Beck has proven himself to be full of mud in the past.

He'll say whatever. His actions are what counts.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

yep, and he can start

with a public apology to ron paul.

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I agree that he was a Neocon.

I agree that he was a Neocon. I have stopped paying any attention to him for years. But, if he is willing to learn, why not welcome him and teach him more?! There is nothing to lose as long as we stand our ground on liberty movement. If he wants to join us, great! If he wants to represent the movement, I say he has a long journey to make!

I like to use his past as a guidance and warning, but not a label.

It is just astonishing to me

It is just astonishing to me that some of you STILL won't welcome anyone back who say they are ready to learn and move towards liberty. Instead you wanna keep the hardcore "I'm the best and only libertarian" group, which will get you nowhere...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Brian

are u really so naive to believe that Beck (of all people) has suddenly been won over ?
we dont say we are the only and best libertarian group.
far from that.
Beck should not be believed so easily, lets take the time and see how he fares.
we are just saying, be cautious, I would not be surprised if after claiming to be Libertarian, he would Beck-stab Rand Paul !

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM