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Is it possible to be a Bible-thumper and a libertarian at the same time?

Thoughts? I don't believe it is, but would love to hear others opinions.

Update: To me a "bible-thumper" is one who takes everything the bible says, especially involving Christian values and morals, and judges anybody who does not hold these same values. This thread came about due the number of people on the DP who call themselves liberterian yet vehemently oppose gay marriage based on their Christian beliefs. I personally do not like the idea of gay marriage, but would not impose my idea of what marriage is on them anymore than I'd want their views imposed on me.




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No good comes from not kneeling to God but being with lost

All week I saw not one call for God's people to pray or fast.

That comes from hanging out with people who hate Christians. And it is that, and nothing else, that ultimately gives our nation over to wickedness. Are you a Christian - do you believe God answers prayers of his people humbly petitioning him and speedily? Than why are you hanging out here all week with people blaspheming God?

Our founders where Christian men. We needn't go over there again, it's been proved and posted time and again. You are reaching no one on this thread, it's not ignorance anymore. They constantly prayed and fasted. Benjamin Frankling (note deist - NOT) called for it in the Constitutional Convention. Half our founders called for it in proclamations at one time or another.

And their prayers where answered.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Jesus Christ is Lord - not baal

Where were the prayers this week?

Christian friends, were they not silenced by hanging with the world instead of separating ourselves to humble beseech God - realizing that the world can't fix the problems?

Wasn't and isn't this the real problem? It isn't just this site. Farah calls for prayers at his site, and at the same time is promoting the cult Judaism. And all the people giving themselves over to Mormonism. And the answer is always the world, getting the approval of the world, and the collective opinion of the world.

Isn't it time to stop worshiping with the world, and worship God?

We need to separate ourselves from the world, not give in to it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Is it possible to be an asshole and a libertarian

at the same time? The OP and few others prove it is.

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

My, this thread wasn't locked

My, this thread wasn't locked - and my thread which was titled the same and in an opposite way was locked? Does anyone think that we're unaware of the designs - or that a liar does not hate the one being lied to?

Friend, if you value Christ above the world, you will seek ways to separate yourself from the world.

It has gone that far. Most of these people are currently damned. Some routinely post about witchcraft or tarot cards, etc. They will despite you all day with threads like this but can not take their own back at them. Is this a place to be for you? Are you going to benefit? Isn't this what sabotaged Ron Paul? Won't it always?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

The Bible says to love the

The Bible says to love the lost. It does not say to let them sleep in your wives bed. That is not loving. You need to separate yourselves - in your mind and heart. And that is what I am objecting to. The wordly want you to commit adultery with them. Don't do it. Nothing but evil will come into your life if you do.

2Corinthians 6:
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Sure. I would maybe qualify

Sure. I would maybe qualify by saying that Bible thumpers come in two colors.

Let's paint the first red. The red Bible thumper thumps his Bible because he can't grasp any other way to address the issues of the day. He'll quote scripture to an atheist, clearly unable to wrap his mind around the notion that the atheist isn't all that hip on the Bible as a prescriptive work. The red thumper can't quite scrape the windows off and see others where they're at, adjust his references and language accordingly. He's coming to terms with Jesus' notion, spoken through Paul, that there is, "no condemnation for those who are in Christ." Your red thumper is still dealing with a personal sense of condemnation and can't quite view others as free. He thumps a lot because he's afraid of the transition God is putting him through. And he's afraid that maybe it's not enough. He doesn't quite trust God, Jesus, or his fellow man. He's still trying to atone for himself. He hasn't quite sailed away on the Grace Ship. He's, perhaps, irritating to some folks, but he's at the dock, trying to untie, trying to trust grace and the liberty mindset that follows.

Let's paint the other sort gray. I don't know why but I've always seen these sorts as realists. They know that the red Bible thumper is speaking more about himself and his own bondage than he is to anyone else. They know people are a mess of conflicting desires for good and bad. They don't feel the need to define anyone else's relationship with God. They trust God that much, and trust that what God said about his human creation is true -- that we are equipped to judge God for ourselves, and that God's truth is written on our hearts and we are nothing without being free to choose. They may thump the Bible when speaking to a Bible-believing Christian, but they aren't tethered intellectually by one book. They can meet people where they are at, speak on many levels because they have grabbed hold of that freedom and let loose of a condemned and condemning spirit. A Bible-thump in this context is exciting and opens doors.

Anyway, my thoughts. Hope it adds to the discussion.

The way I define "Bible thumper" is

a Christian who has not learned the arts of rhetoric, logic, and persuasion.

Thanks for the "colorful" definition

I don't see anything inherent in either of the definitions that requires depriving others of their life, liberty, or property, so I'd say there's nothing that precludes a "Bible-thumper" from being a libertarian.

Don't know why you got the downvotes for asking what seems to be a reasonable question.

sure !

bible thumping does not infringe upon the rights of others.

Weeeeelllllll, given that

Weeeeelllllll, given that Taliban Afghanistan was pretty darned libertarian at the federal, and even regional, level, and those Taliban dudes are pretty hardcore Koran thumpers, I'd say so.

I wouldn't call a theocratic government libertarian.

In fact it is quite the opposite.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Of Course! Libertarian Christians abound!

What libertarian does not know and espouse our shared equal rights to our own Life, Liberty & Property?

What libertarian does not espouse that these universal individual rights be CONSISTENTLY respected by anyone and everyone, businesses or governments?

What libertarian does not espouse that wealth and property are CREATED .... that is wealth & property is the natural offspring of our human liberties...much like a bird produces its nest, Mankind produces everything he needs.

What libertarian does not espouse the fact that wealth is property and property is wealth?

What libertarian does not espouse the voluntary nature of the free market and the coercive nature of government?

What libertarian makes excuses to abridge human liberties, rather than find reasons to support them?

What libertarian ever supported war against Iraq or any war of pre-emption?

What libertarian DOES-NOT-APPLY-INDIVIDUAL-RIGHTS-THEORY AND THE-LAW- OF-NON-AGGRESSION-PRINCIPLE to ANY SUBJECT, for guidance before making his (or her) answer?

Answer, no libertarian. Hence, there is nothing to stop Christians from being libertarians...indeed there are many real world examples of libertarian-christians.

To be a libertarian means the above... and to be a Christian ( or Jew or Muslim or Buddist or Hindu or whatever) means adding on additional principles and values to guide one's life.

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Voted up in hopes that you will answer one question...

Define Bible thumper. Are all Christians to be categorized this way, or just judgemental types?

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

If you'd define what a "Bible-thumper" is

we'd have a better chance of making a relevant response.