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Robb Wolf discusses the Paleo diet and health issues

I urge everyone to actually listen to the clip.

Robb Wolf - “I became very ill eating a vegan diet. I had ulcerative colitis, IBS and a host of other problems. I had started eating a vegan diet thinking this was a healthy way of eating. At the time, I was a research biochemist, and someone suggested that my problems might be resolved with the adoption of an ancestral (Paleo) way of eating. Within a few weeks of adopting a Paleo diet, my ulcerative colitis was gone, as were my other health concerns. I’ve been eating this way for 15 years now and have experienced better health than at any previous point in my life. Although the Paleo diet advocates the consumption of animal products, it is a thoughtful way of eating congruent with both ethics and sustainability, and I make this a large part of the education I provide.”

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I pray every day that I will

I pray every day that I will no longer see this thread anymore...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Every time any of us posts on it, including you

it puts it in play again.

I promise not to post on it anymore. What others do is up to them.

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this thread

there was nothing wrong with this thread until you assumed this tone of entitlement
and began policing it, calling anyone who disagreed with your view names, accusing them of being trolls or on some mysterious payroll, simply because they had different views. you realized your folly once and posted a sort of apology, but it wasn't long before i guess you just couldn't stand the idea that people had such different ideas about health and diet and once again you went on the attack, down voting everything in sight that wasn't pro paleo, making wild accusations, and more name calling. the typical passive/aggressive behavior that i'm sad to say is prevalent on so many forums these days. if you can't be polite and have reasonable give and take discussions without resorting to sand box behavior then i for one will not miss you.

No way Davy.

I posted an apology for *my part* in what this thread became. You and those like you are every bit, if not more to blame for what it turned into. I didn't attack anyone. You are so emotionally invested in this that you consider someone disagreeing with you an attack. It's not an attack. Man up and look in the mirror and see yourself for what you are and your actions before pointing fingers.

You have been trolling this thread any many other threads and you know it. So give us a break. Please.

I guess I should just block you so I won't notice your continually annoying spamming and whining. And I am one of many who would not miss you, but you're to pesky to go away...

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down voting

and this manic down voting each time you show up is
indicative of some kind of emotional disturbance. it's like yelling
no! no! no! and then up voting yourself. really. i would say it borders on
trollish behavior. notice
i didn't call you a troll, it's a negative label. but the behavior
is different. labeling people in a negative light like
you engage in is to my way of thinking disingenuous. people are many things, a father, a baker, a libertarian,
a methodist etc. i would suggest thinking a bit before you post again like that. don't let
negative emotions dictate your action.

so much for your promise

not to post any more. man of your word, not.

to illustrate the silliness this has generated into, a while back
musician..and h and i decided that we were not all that far apart,
as far as this: we both ate lots of vegetables and fruit. i eat wild
salmon once in a while; non factory meat is more part of his plan. no grains for him.
some grains for me. and we agreed that not one
plan is for everybody. but now because he is caught again
name calling, i'm suddenly a fanatic who is maybe employed and a
member of a secret vegetable society who are funded by some vegetable
cabal of the world, and we want nothing less than world domination. he even
suggests that al gore might be involved. you know big fat al gore with his steak
and butter face and steer herds. oh brother is all i can say.

Evidence: Low-Carbohydrate Diets and All-Cause Mortality

If you're still curious about the purported benefits of the Paleo or Low-Carb Diets--this large-scale systematic review & meta-analysis of 17 large world-wide studies should convince you to think twice. So what if weight-loss & biomarkers improve in the short-term--over the long-term there was a 30% increase in all-cause mortality? Mortality is the gold-standard "biomarker".

It looks like the lack of fiber, the differences in phytochemicals, the increase in animal protein, cholesterol & saturated fat that are the troublemakers--and the authors had further questions about links to kidney disorders, osteoporosis, and mental conditions.


"Our meta-analysis supported long-term harm and no cardiovascular protection with low-carbohydrate diets....[and] suggested that low-carbohydrate diets were associated with a significantly higher risk of all-cause mortality in the long run
They also suggested that low-carbohydrate diets might not be protective or harmful in terms of CVD mortality and incidence. These findings support the hypothesis that THE SHORT-TERM BENEFITS OF LOW-CARBOHYDRATE DIETS FOR WEIGHT LOSS ARE POTENTIALLY IRRELEVANT.

In light of the fact that the number of people with obesity is exponentially increasing worldwide and obesity is one of the leading risk factors of mortality, our findings have substantial clinical and public implications on a global scale and point to the need for the further investigation of the long-term health effects of low-carbohydrate diets and other nutritional factors.

Evidence has been accumulating to suggest that low-carbohydrate diets and their combination with high-protein diets are effective in weight loss and may have favorable SHORT-TERM EFFECTS on the risk markers of CVD.

Low-carbohydrate diets may be nutritionally safe and valid insofar as the carbohydrates are simple and refined, and the MAIN SOURCE OF THE PROTEIN IS PLANTS. Despite these facts, our study did not find a cardiovascular benefit and supports their potential long-term health harm when such nutritional quality is not considered.

Low-carbohydrate diets tend to result in reduced intake of fiber and fruits, and INCREASED INTAKE OF PROTEIN FROM ANIMAL SOURCES, cholesterol and saturated fat, all of which are risk factors for mortality and CVD.

It is postulated that differences in dietary bioactive components such as specific free fatty acids, protein, fiber, minerals, vitamins and phytochemicals are involved.

Low-carbohydrate diets may be linked to an array of other chronic health problems. A positive cancer risk has been reportedly related to the intake of animal protein, and red and processed meat consumption, although the risk of cancer was found to be non-significant in our analysis.

Little is known about the consequences of low-carbohydrate diets with respect to kidney disease, osteoporosis, and mental condition. The biology that underlies the positive correlation between low-carbohydrate diets and all-cause death is not fully explained. Further studies to clarify the mechanism are eagerly awaited.

Given the facts that low-carbohydrate diets are likely unsafe and that calorie restriction has been demonstrated to be effective in weight loss regardless of nutritional composition, it would be prudent not to recommend low-carbohydrate diets for the time being. Further detailed studies to evaluate the effect of protein source are urgently needed."

Here is the article for those that want to read it: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjourna...

A good way to defend your freedoms: www.libertymagazine.org

To many assumptions needed to arrive at conclusions.


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makes sense

on why so many paleo followers look great young, as they should, but they should take a good look at hella bunch of the paleo gurus who once in their middle years gain back the weight, and don't look so great. vegan/vegetarians have problems too, they eat too much junk food and don't take the right supplements. for my money the nutritarians are the best bet.

Higher serum glucose levels

Higher serum glucose levels are associated with cerebral hypometabolism in Alzheimer regions.


Higher fasting serum glucose levels in cognitively normal, nondiabetic adults may be associated with AD pathophysiology. Findings suggest that the risk imparted by higher serum glucose levels may be independent of APOEε4 status. This study raises additional questions about the role of the metabolic process in the predisposition to AD and supports the possibility of targeting these processes in presymptomatic AD trials.

I would question the source of funding for these studies

What corporate sponsors, international factory food cartels and NGO's funded these studies?

What kind of connection do the authors and purveyors of these studies have with corporate sponsors, international factory food cartels and NGO's?

Funny how the re-establishment of high levels of carbohydrates are the main focus of this study. And the fact that high levels of carbohydrates are exactly what international factory food cartels and NGO's are pushing.

Sounds to me like they are desperately trying to preserve their turf against the tidal wave of people that are rejecting it because of massive exposure to legitimate (non-corporate) studies and information found over the internet

re. the Paleo Diet specifically:

Paleo Diet focuses on whole, natural foods - primarily vegetables and some fruits - with a reasonable balance of clean non-factory seafood and animal protein to balance it out. Add some spices and nuts and there is almost infinite combinations of meals that can be had.

This diet is the diet our ancestors ate lonnnng before mass agriculture, factory farms, genetic modification and laboratory concoctions passed off as "food" ..

... when in reality most of it is unproven, dangerous synthetic crap that is toxic on so many levels it almost boggles the mind that people would be stupid enough to eat it.

The arrogance and corruption of modern corporate science knows no bounds. That they would actually hold these world conferences to push their phony agendas on the world at the behest of the corporations that are contributing to people's fat, sick, diseased lifestyles is pathetic.

They actually have the gall to promote the idea that their science is independent and above reproach. When they know damn well it's a scam.

And they have the nerve to expect people to believe - against all the contrary evidence and common sense (in the case of a whole foods ancestral diet) that a high refined carbohydrate diet is healthy and anything the reduces the amount of refined carbs is dangerous.

What a joke.

what is reasonable?

it will differ for individuals, and i understand there are various paleo plans. my guess is small portions of non factory meat or fish a couple times a week is reasonable, anyway that's my opinion.

When someone lumps Paleo in "low carb" diets

and says it is dangerous due to lack of fiber, it is clear that they don't really understand what the Paleo diet is about. You clarified it very well.

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Studies indicate fiber provides no benefit for anything.

In the event of eating something toxic or glutenous it can shift the load or package it.

Better solution is the avoid those things once discovered.

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Most agree that some fiber is necessary

Most agree that some fiber is necessary so as not to become "plugged up." Fortunately one can get all the fiber one needs from veggies, nuts etc. The fiber in grains and fiber supplements is detrimental and unnecessary.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that one is eating enough veggies, nuts and fruits, one is getting plenty of fiber.

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Inuits eat nothing botanical.

They have the healthiest hearts on the planet, I don't know about digestion issues.

I'v enjoyed fruits and vegetables for nearly 60 years.

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Oh I know.

I guess if you're taking in enough fat it keep things "lubed up" and working properly?

That's one thing where I was going wrong. I took a fiber supplement for many years and it was exacerbating my poor nutrient absorption. Stopped with the grains and legumes, went extremely light on dairy, lost the fiber supplement and things are much better. If I'd only known then what I know now.

Now if I had only gotten my wisdom teeth out long before last Monday, life would be really grand! ;-)

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The Battle of the Diets: Is

The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?)

COAST- Panel Discussion: Lynda Frassetto, MD; Stephen Phinney, MD, PhD; Dean Ornish, MD from UCSF on Vimeo.

Excellent video.

Excellent video.

Hopefully the vegan/veg fanatics will watch it too.

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i'm sure

people will line up to see this after you insult them, labeling them fanatics.

You are "they" Davy.

Let's face it, you and your tag team buddy dinahtab are fanatics. I'm starting to wonder whose payroll you two are on.

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i guess you missed

the post where where i said i eat wild salmon. i consider myself more a nutritarian.
can't you come up with some original terminology on your own? tag team is what i've been calling you and your pal because so many times you operate that way, along with the ridiculous down voting on anything that veers slightly from your view. you are good at name calling and labeling people, i'll give you that.

Wheat/bread has been genetically engineered for decades.

"The hybridisation and genetic engineering of wheat has resulted in a staggering 500 fold increase in the gluten content of modern day wheats compared to the wheat our forefathers would have known and this may be one of the prime reasons behind the massive rise in incidence of gluten intolerance and coeliac disease in recent decades."

Symptoms of gluten intolerance or Celiac disease: - Indigestion, heartburn and/or stomach aches, Bloating and flatulence, IBS-type symptoms with abdominal cramping and alternating diarrhea and constipation, Anemia ie: feeling tired and breathless, Excessive production of mucus http://www.thenaturalrecoveryplan.com/articles/What-Happened...

Even more important, IMHO, is the alkaline diet that encourages you to eat a diet that contains 80% alkaline producing foods and 20% acid producing foods. The modern diet high in acid foods is the cause of ill health including diabetes and atherosclerosis. You can have any food you like as long as you maintain the 80%/20% ratio. That would be 4/5 of your plate is raw and cooked vegetables and 1/5 is meat or a cheese cube or two eggs...or a protein vegeburger.

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I was diagnosed with Crohns Disease and Colitis 1.5 years ago

I immediately started on the paleo diet and have not looked back.

Its a major factor in keeping my symptoms in control. And as a by product my health and energy in other areas is better than it ever has been.

It's not a cure. But it I'll never go back to eating factory food.

Dr. Wallach and others

Dr. Wallach and others with decades of experience claim that Crohns, Celiac, IBS, and ulcerative colitis are simply different manifestations of the same thing which is gluten intolerance and possibly other food intolerances. Staying away from all grains and any other foods that cause you trouble is the cure.

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The gluten grains: Wheat, Rye, Barley and Oats.

However, double the carbs and double the nutritional requirements.

Millet, buckwheat, rice and a couple other are gluten free.

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All grains have gluten

All grains have gluten that can be detrimental. This is one area where Dr. Wallach has gotten behind.


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Yes, Any undigested protein can trigger immune-response.

This is caused by a salt-restricted diet or diluting stomach acid by drinking an hour before or after eating.

Doc W starts with the popular problem grains. I agree your mileage may vary.

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Right on. Look into that link

Right on.

Look into that link I posted. If you scroll down it shows a chart with all the gluten of various grains. It's interesting to note that corn is the second highest on the list.

I knew corn was tearing me up before I understood the others were as well.

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